PlayMakers
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Well, he's outplayed other $6m men like Landeskog, Sharp, Callahan, Plekanec, Dubinsky, Pominville, Staal, Eriksson, Brown, Steen... but he hasn't been as good as say Lucic or Okposo.
How many of you guys wanted Lucic?
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Well, he's outplayed other $6m men like Landeskog, Sharp, Callahan, Plekanec, Dubinsky, Pominville, Staal, Eriksson, Brown, Steen... but he hasn't been as good as say Lucic or Okposo.
How many of you guys wanted Lucic?
BruinDust
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Well, he's outplayed other $6m men like Landeskog, Sharp, Callahan, Plekanec, Dubinsky, Pominville, Staal, Eriksson, Brown, Steen... but he hasn't been as good as say Lucic or Okposo.
How many of you guys wanted Lucic?
I like Lucic the player better than Backes. I wanted Boston to keep Lucic in 2015, not trade him.
That being said, going into July 1st, 2016, with his ability to play C and RW, Lucic being a pure natural LW, and Boston's future depth being severely weighted towards left-shot young forwards, I still say Backes was the better target even if I like Lucic the player better. Although the gap isn't huge, I'm a big fan of both guys.
Well, he's outplayed other $6m men like Landeskog, Sharp, Callahan, Plekanec, Dubinsky, Pominville, Staal, Eriksson, Brown, Steen... but he hasn't been as good as say Lucic or Okposo.
How many of you guys wanted Lucic?
I think he has 6 points in his last 16 games.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
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Pretty sure leadership is determined by the people who follow. When players talk about leadership they talk about things like having each other's back... stepping up when a team struggles... fighting when a fight is needed... speaking up in a lockerroom... being a good pro.
Only 1 team wins a cup but almost every team has leaders. 14 team's miss the playoffs but these teams still have leaders. Trying to argue that a guy can't be a leader if his team fails to win a cup makes someone look stupid
More leaders is a good thing if the leadership is on the same page. To argue otherwise makes someone look stupid.
Backes teammates have often spooked about his leadership. He was given a c not because he scores 90 points but because he's the leader. Fans can watch his play and see he is a leader.
Loui slept walked here 2 seasons and then in his contract year showed a pulse. But in all my time following the team I never saw anyone go out of their way to call him a leader...
If you want to praise loui you can say he was a smart player who scored some goals... but there is no real evidence to support he was a leader.
Guys like Mark reach and Chris Kelly and Andrew ference didn't need to win fights to be leaders. Leaders lead by leading and other players identify these leaders by following.
Teams are better the more good leadership they have. Backes Teams have always been good
Only 1 team wins a cup but almost every team has leaders. 14 team's miss the playoffs but these teams still have leaders. Trying to argue that a guy can't be a leader if his team fails to win a cup makes someone look stupid
More leaders is a good thing if the leadership is on the same page. To argue otherwise makes someone look stupid.
Backes teammates have often spooked about his leadership. He was given a c not because he scores 90 points but because he's the leader. Fans can watch his play and see he is a leader.
Loui slept walked here 2 seasons and then in his contract year showed a pulse. But in all my time following the team I never saw anyone go out of their way to call him a leader...
If you want to praise loui you can say he was a smart player who scored some goals... but there is no real evidence to support he was a leader.
Guys like Mark reach and Chris Kelly and Andrew ference didn't need to win fights to be leaders. Leaders lead by leading and other players identify these leaders by following.
Teams are better the more good leadership they have. Backes Teams have always been good
CharasLazyWrister
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Here's what I'll say Mike, and I know you're going to love this.
I would say no. But I will also say I did not expect him to prove his worth in the first quarter of the season.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
As someone that listens to Edmonton call in shows all day I can promise he's been the center of critism for at least a dozen shows so far
He had 1 game with 4 points... Great game
The rest of the year he has like 12 points in like 20 games while playing with God
Oiler fans complain he can't keep up... he isn't fighting... he can't win puck battles
I say... he is what he is... 20-30 Times a year lucic will have a game where he's the best player on the ice. The rest of the time he will play like an average 3rd liner. Hopefully those great games come at playoff time.
Lucic needs to be on a playoff team to have value... his slumps hurt a bubble team. If oilers continue to improve they might be happy with lucic but so far the jury is 50-50
I've heard good and bad, not going to pass judgement I was alright with him leaving, just correcting a stat. Also Backes has 1 3 point game, take that out and he has 6 points in 16 games.
LSCII
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He's on his typical pace for 23-24 goals, and he hasn't played above expectations, so I'd say sure. Well that and the fact that $6 mill just doesn't get you what it used to in the NHL. In terms of his injury, I think that's impacted him more than he's let on and that once he feels healthy, we could see an uptick in his play.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
Here's what I'll say Mike, and I know you're going to love this.
I would say no. But I will also say I did not expect him to prove his worth in the first quarter of the season.
If I I paying hockey I'd give the faces movie star money. Names that sell tickets deserve the reward. But nhl has a players union that negotiated arbitration.
It's a choice players made to overpay second liners. The going rate for backes or Ladd or lucic or Eriksson is now 6 million due to reality
Backes comes as advertised. If you want backes you pay for backes and this is what you get
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
Not arguing a lot with you but backes linemate isn't leading the nhl in points. Lucic critism has focused that he can't keep up with mcdavid. That combine with mcdavid getting abused without a response from lucic.
Oilers coach has started to play maroon with mcdavid. It's not what the fans hoped for and they've become unhappy. A lot of people point out lucic is on pace for career norm but we used to be unhappy with him too.
Remember when he's great he's great... this guy can dominate a game... any game
But when he's not great... he's really not great.
You need a lot of depth to cover for lucic when he's in a funk
Again I agree with you, I was just bothered by the use of stats. I am a bit torn or Lucic or Backes, I expected Lucic to regress and he hasn't and remains much younger than Backes. That being said he played himself out of here and even much older I think Backes is a more reliable player and a better locker room presence although Lucic was certainly well liked. I think Lucic is good for that Edmonton team and some people will complain no matter what, there are plenty of people on this team reading this board you would think shouldn't be in the NHL.
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DKH
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Remember not everyone here has the same experience as you do following the Bruins
A lot of the newer/younger fans (not all) go by stats so your going to get comments like this
Backes probably is a 45-60 guy but that's not going to get it done in fantasy- real life yes
be patient with these posters
RedeyeRocketeer
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Yes yes I was explained to me last year how Beleskey (our 5 pt man) was a vintage Bruin and it was ok if he didn't score much.
Know what's worth pts? Actual pts in the standings. You guys can keep defending chunks of 15m of our cap doing nothing on the score sheet all you want. At the end of the day results are what matter.
Btw DKH, I'm assuming you know I'm one of the older fans in this bunch, going back to the old globe boards.
DKH
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When I need them to make my point I will acknowledge them
I really like Claude a lot and I'm jacked how the defensive zone game has been modified
Kudos to Claude
It's conducive to Morrow and Carlo especially; it would have been much better for Hamilton
Older guys are trying to learn new tricks but they'll get better
I wanted scream when Marchand Mr ****ing Clutch - be it:
7th game of 2011 Finals
4 in game penalty shots
World Cup
Is not in first T-W-O
He's more moves than a snake and goalies can't even fathom what will happen
They missed playoffs by 1 point and on April 6, 2016 lost to Carolina in 6 shooters and he never got off the bench
?- if the last game of the year comes and Boston needs the SO win to make playoffs and they lose in 6 and 30+ goal scorer Brad Marchand sits what is the reaction?
A- Chaos
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DKH
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I know and I enjoy reading you and your opinions. Your good 90% of the time it's that 10% we disagree I have an issue
DKH
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This is how Claude should handle shoot out
Beginning of week end practice with a fun shoot out drill where everyone shoots till there is 1 guy left who hasn't missed.
That guy goes first in any shootouts during the week
Marchand ALWAYS goes 2. He's shifty & can score with a shot or a deke. He's a nightmare to prepare
Third guy is coaches hunch/decision
It's really easy
Beginning of week end practice with a fun shoot out drill where everyone shoots till there is 1 guy left who hasn't missed.
That guy goes first in any shootouts during the week
Marchand ALWAYS goes 2. He's shifty & can score with a shot or a deke. He's a nightmare to prepare
Third guy is coaches hunch/decision
It's really easy
Agent86
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I'm an old guy too and all this angst over who gets paid what to play a game kills me. In the real world, everybody in the league is overpaid. Whether it is 600,000 for a marginal talent or 9 mil for a flashy but mostly defensively irresponsible former Norris Trophy winner banished to Opryland.
Backes earned the right to bring his services to the market and the Bruins felt he fit their needs so this was the price. We all know if you go shopping on July 1st (otherwise known as You Don't Have To Give Up An Asset To Get An Asset - Day) you will pay inflated prices.
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