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Player Discussion David Backes

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SerenityRick said:
Because trying to lift your team up with a fight or some emotion isn't guaranteed to work
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Ah yes, the oft talked about intangibles. What about getting hurt doing something dumb? Does that help lift the team? :laugh:

The guy has a lot of miles on his body, and the team needs him healthy and to stay on the ice if they want to make the playoffs this year. Gooning it up isn't his role. It's the role for a stiff in the bottom 6. If the guys there aren't willing to do it, they need to find someone for that spot that is.
 
ChargersRookie said:
Meh, Backes and Kadri have a nasty past.
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They do, which is why I feel it was more based in selfishness than to lift the team up. He wanted to go with a guy he dislikes, and if it spurred the team on as a side effect, it would have been a bonus. Instead, he got hurt and it didn't do anything.
 
If your heart is not in it stick to your business.

I don't have ESP but his actions might have triggered Marchand.
 
BNHL said:
Backes gets **** for doing it and Loui got **** for not doing it.
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I've never held it against Loui for not being a physical player and not dropping the gloves. Doing that is foolish. It's like expecting Hayes to play physical just because he's big, and ignoring how soft he is. I gave him crap for not playing well, but not over his lack of fights. If you can recall, I also gave Claude **** for not putting LE on DK's line for years.

So I give Backes no credit for doing this because I believe the fight and subsequent injury are the result of a personal beef with Kadri and had nothing to do with trying to stir the team up emotionally.
 
LSCII said:
Sure. All the time. Although if I were to seriously criticize the team for anything this early, it's their god awful first pp unit. They've been terrible. I put that one on coaching more than anything. The fact that Czarnik and Beleskey have more PP TOI through the first two games than Marchand and Pasta is criminal.
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Czarnik yes, but Beleskey plays on the same unit as Marchand and Pastrnak and is beating them out by 3 and 5 seconds respectively :naughty:
 
LSCII said:
I've never held it against Loui for not being a physical player and not dropping the gloves. Doing that is foolish. It's like expecting Hayes to play physical just because he's big, and ignoring how soft he is. I gave him crap for not playing well, but not over his lack of fights. If you can recall, I also gave Claude **** for not putting LE on DK's line for years.

So I give Backes no credit for doing this because I believe the fight and subsequent injury are the result of a personal beef with Kadri and had nothing to do with trying to stir the team up emotionally.
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They even showed a montage of all their previous fights, lol. It was definitely because of bad blood. Would have definitely been a bonus if the team got a boost from it, but they didn't.

I'm kind of in-between on the subject. Maybe if it was a good trade-off. Say, a player like Randell or Thornton in the past going to the box - a player who, if they hurt their hand, wasn't going to score 20-30 goals a season. I remember Jeremy Reich hurting his hand in a fight but wasn't overly concerned. mainly want Backes putting up points and playing his aggressive style. I just cringed watching him fight another guy with a visor.

It is nice to see him show some passion, though.
 
For those keeping track of the Eriksson v Backes stat battle this does not count as a goal for Loui.

 
LSCII said:
I've never held it against Loui for not being a physical player and not dropping the gloves. Doing that is foolish. It's like expecting Hayes to play physical just because he's big, and ignoring how soft he is. I gave him crap for not playing well, but not over his lack of fights. If you can recall, I also gave Claude **** for not putting LE on DK's line for years.

So I give Backes no credit for doing this because I believe the fight and subsequent injury are the result of a personal beef with Kadri and had nothing to do with trying to stir the team up emotionally.
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Lonnie being Lonnie :laugh:

Backes and Kadri have a history, and Backes is a physical player. If Loui had done something like that, I would have said it was selfish and out of character, but not for Backes, who is trying to establish himself as a leader on the team.

I don't think it was a big deal either way.

On the other hand, I loved Chara "rag-dolling" Martin in the 3rd period. Game is out of reach with 8 minutes to go, and Martin hits a smaller guy in Krug (wasn't dirty). Hayes actually tried to engage Martin, who blew him off. Chara then took matters into his own (large) hands.

This was not about this game, but sending a message for future games, and I'm ok with it.
 
LSCII said:
They do, which is why I feel it was more based in selfishness than to lift the team up. He wanted to go with a guy he dislikes, and if it spurred the team on as a side effect, it would have been a bonus. Instead, he got hurt and it didn't do anything.
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Bwahahahah

You're serious it was a selfish act?
 
LSCII said:
So if it was correct, then why didn't it right the ship? Why didn't they play better instead of giving up two more goals in short order, and due to poor play?
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Because Marchand took two dumb penalties.

Backes' intentions were in the right place. I don't think he has a crystal ball and can foresee Marchand taking 2 quick penalties. You go down 1 early and try to spark the team and wake them up. Its been happening for awhile in hockey, even if it happens less now. It's gravy that he doesn't like Kadri.

The Cubs bring in Chapman in key spots and he gets rocked. It's still the right decision. **** happens.
 
Backes is trying to establish himself on the Bruins as an on/off ice leader. Of course he's going to try and fight when the moment feels right to do so. He's not great at it, but he'll go when he feels it's the right time. We have the opportunity to sit at home and Monday morning iceskate if he should have/should not have gone, and have the benefit of hindsight. I'll never begrudge a guy for standing up for himself/his team in a moment he feels is the right time to go.
 
I enjoy seeing Kadri get punched in the face, therefore I approve.

I like what Backes is bringing.

He's not the top 2 center who has been disappointing through 2 games.
 
CDJ said:
Because Marchand took two dumb penalties.

Backes' intentions were in the right place. I don't think he has a crystal ball and can foresee Marchand taking 2 quick penalties. You go down 1 early and try to spark the team and wake them up. Its been happening for awhile in hockey, even if it happens less now. It's gravy that he doesn't like Kadri.

The Cubs bring in Chapman in key spots and he gets rocked. It's still the right decision. **** happens.
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Backes is a team guy and Lonnie is trying to show he's selfish.
 
DoubleAAAA said:
I enjoy seeing Kadri get punched in the face, therefore I approve.

I like what Backes is bringing.

He's not the top 2 center who has been disappointing through 2 games.
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That is for sure. However, if history has shown us something, we will all be in love with him after a streaky dominating month in due time.
 
DKH said:
Backes is a team guy and Lonnie is trying to show he's selfish.
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Nah, not at all. I'm implying that intangibles and guys that are good in the room don't matter and that it all comes down to skill. In the last game, the team would probably have benefited more from Backes being on the ice instead of the box for the first period, no?
 
LSCII said:
Nah, not at all. I'm implying that intangibles and guys that are good in the room don't matter and that it all comes down to skill. In the last game, the team would probably have benefited more from Backes being on the ice instead of the box for the first period, no?
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Okay I believe you ;)
 
LSCII said:
Nah, not at all. I'm implying that intangibles and guys that are good in the room don't matter and that it all comes down to skill. In the last game, the team would probably have benefited more from Backes being on the ice instead of the box for the first period, no?
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Despite the overwhelming amount of players, both former and current, who have said otherwise, this is what you believe? A strong presence of leadership in the locker room is important, and we see this in other forms of work environment where you're dealing with multiple people working together.
 
DKH said:
Okay I believe you ;)
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If you want to talk about team first guys and guys who stand up for their teammates, then why did Backes not stand up for his teammate in a meaningless preseason game when Radko Gudas ran Czarnik? You talk about sending messages and setting the tone, but why was it okay for him to go after Kadri and not Gudas? Especially given that Gudas delivered a cheap shot to one of his teammates, and Kadri is just a guy that he has a history with. Crap like that flies directly in the face of people stroking this guy over intangibles, no? I personally would rather he stays on the ice and not in the box over a POS like Kadri. He's got more value playing than sitting, unless there's an actual reason for him to do so.
 
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