Confirmed with Link: Dave Nonis TML GM|Burke retained as Senior Advisor to board - III

[Terrence]

Listen to the Anselmi interview with McCown. I wanted to punch my windshield out listening to that *****. McCown backed him up into a corner so much that Anselmi basically stated that Burke wasn't fired because of his hockey moves.

And that folks, is a joke.

Is this interview up on the Fan's website anywhere? I missed it and can't seem to find it.

edit: nvm

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Did Nonis say Kadri when he was talking about our great group of prosepcts brought in by Burke?

I know I heard him say both Ashton + Colborne ... but thats all I heard.

No, he didn't.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

Did Nonis say Kadri when he was talking about our great group of prosepcts brought in by Burke?

I know I heard him say both Ashton + Colborne ... but thats all I heard.

Never once mentioned kadri.

He mentioned

Jake Gardiner
Morgan Rielly
Joe Colborne
Carter Ashton
Joshua Leivo
Matt Finn

Everyone else was chopped liver.

 

[dubey]

Is this interview up on the Fan's website anywhere? I missed it and can't seem to find it.

edit: nvm

Link?

 

[DaveT83*]

Never once mentioned kadri.

He mentioned

Jake Gardiner
Morgan Rielly
Joe Colborne
Carter Ashton
Joshua Leivo
Matt Finn

Everyone else was chopped liver.

No, he didn't.

Damn

 

[Terrence]

Link?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/2013/01/09/anselmi_pts/

 

[DD03]

No question JFJ moves particularly the NMC/NTC contracts of McCabe, Tucker, Kaberle, Kubina etc are still having a residual effect on the team today because of how that turned out.. But so are Kulemin, Gunnarsson, Reimer etc that he orchestrated. No one is saying JFJ wasn't a lousy GM and big mistake hiring by MLSE, but Burke's bottom 5 finished in 2 of the past 3 seasons speak for themselves also..

Burke to his own demise as we found out today, was also personality related and MLSE disliked that part of him apparently as much as I and other Leafs fans did as well. His mouth wrote cheques that his butt simply couldn't cash and in the end that appears to be to his eventual own demise on how he conducted himself as much as what he accomplished doing it.. They didn't like what they heard as much as what he did or didn't do or accomplish.

Soft spoken reserved Dave Nonis is much more in personality like JFJ "no comment" and then its just the results one can not like not the arrogance and other baggage as well that can often rub people the wrong way.

JFJ was actually a great GM draft-wise .. His only real "bust" was Tlusty, but even he's panning out to be what he was projected now (2 way winger with 20 goal potential) .. He also drafted Rask who turned out pretty well

JFJ's problem was his FA signings and trades, because he was under pressure from ownership to 'win now' so he went ahead and made moves that he was hoping would put the Leafs over the hump .. Obviously those moves didn't work and the Leafs got left out of prospects/picks for the future

Had JFJ been given the option to rebuild and sell off the Muskoka 5 instead of trying to resign them I bet the Leafs would be an annual cup contender now .. Rather we were left with a barren farm system and an AHL roster playing at the NHL level.

.. Now with what's happened today my greatest fear, as is many fans on this board, is ownership making the same mistake by wanting to 'win now' and trying to place a GM in a position to make this team a contender when it has no business being one yet.

Much like you criticize Burke for finishing in the bottom for 2/3 seasons, you praise JFJ for all those prospects we see now .. Wait 2-3 more seasons and you'll be praising Burke for all those draft picks he brought in (through trades mostly) assuming those prospects aren't traded.

It'll be an endless cycle until we have an ownership group that is patient .. And we're almost there! So to remove Burke from his position when we're on the cusp of seeing his true work, where he gathered all these young quality prospects, is wrong. Sure his stopgaps failed miserably over the last few years but that doesn't mean he hasn't improved this team going forward.

He beat me to it. One thing that no one can argue is that when Burke had a plan, he stuck to it. He might have used his mouth far too often, but he wasn't use to a place that listened as well as Toronto. He went after Tavares like he said, too much for the team. He knows the team still doesn't have the assets that is needed to make the type of moves that will push it into the playoffs. Everyone talks about playoffs, but no one talks about playoffs CONSISTENTLY. Trading away everything like JFJ did and trying to make the playoffs, but falling short, is something this team can no longer afford. We need to stay focused, keep the ship moving, not bargain for short-term gains like JFJ did. Burke had the right idea, he brought in YOUTH. The players he brought in are going to be here for the next 10 years if we sign them all. With the small exceptions of amazing character guys he brought in. You can say what you want about Burke, but the veterans he brought in, are the right guys to lead this team to victory. They are literally soldiers in the battlefield and guys who you want to teach your youth how to win the game.

The youth he brought is going to speak for itself. Not only did Burke inherit JFJ's mess, but he fixed it like no one else thought he would. He traded Toskalolol & Blake and made a profit! Giguere was an amazing guy in the dressing room and some one you want to mentor your goaltenders. He signed Beauchemin, it didn't work, and look at what he did with that. Not only that, but he traded a bunch of guys who'd rather party and go out instead of focusing on the game for our current Captain! If it wasn't for Burke we wouldn't have our captain, we wouldn't have the group of youth, or the character guys that we have. The future is starting to look bright, now isn't the time to shove some dynamite in there and blow it all up. Doesn't make sense.

 

[DaveT83*]

What do you guys think Nonis meant when he continuaally refered to being "More Patient" than Burke.

 

[Ohio Jones]

Leafs had a high payroll but were no where near the Yankees of the NHL. Were they ever even 1st in payroll? I'm pretty sure teams like NYR, the Rangers, and the Red Wings out spent them.

The Leafs got to 2 conference finals in Quinn's era. Since then we have done jack ****.

Don't lecture me about mortgaging the future. The Jays just traded every prospect imaginable. And we have yet to see how that will work out.

Whatever Ralph.

 

[JackJ]

What if ownership wanted no part of Luongos contract but Burke did and reminded them of his autonomy?

 

[JackJ]

What do you guys think Nonis meant when he continuaally refered to being "More Patient" than Burke.

Building through the draft and keeping draft picks.

 

[Hurt]

Never once mentioned kadri.

He mentioned

Jake Gardiner
Morgan Rielly
Joe Colborne
Carter Ashton
Joshua Leivo
Matt Finn

Everyone else was chopped liver.

Including Kessel, Phaneuf, Liles, Lupul, Reimer?

 

[leugangen]

Listen to the Anselmi interview with McCown. I wanted to punch my windshield out listening to that *****. McCown backed him up into a corner so much that Anselmi basically stated that Burke wasn't fired because of his hockey moves.

And that folks, is a joke.

Upsetting.

 

[4evaBlue]

What if ownership wanted no part of Luongos contract but Burke did and reminded them of his autonomy?

We'll find out when Luongo wears the Maple Leaf on his jersey two weeks from now.

 

[Bleed Blue and White]

I am really disappointed in MLSE today. It's not because they fired him, based on results they had a legitimate claim to do so, it's the timing and the way it was done. They could not provide, in my view, a real explanation as to why they did. I feel that Burke should have been given this season to make the playoffs and if not, then replace him. This strikes me as Burke rubbing someone on the MLSE board the wrong way and the egos of whomever it was couldn't take it and pushed for his removal (I really hope I'm wrong). I know the results under Burke weren't there for us, but I still believe in his hockey mind and we lost a good one today. In addition I believe that when we are good one day, Burke's fingerprints will be all over it, just like in Vancouver. Burke had fire and really wanted to win here, that was obvious. While he obviously didn't succeed, I wish him all the best and if I could I'd thank him for the good moves he did make. I firmly believe that we are in a better long term position today than we were 4 years ago.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

JFJ was actually a great GM draft-wise .. His only real "bust" was Tlusty, but even he's panning out to be what he was projected now (2 way winger with 20 goal potential) .. He also drafted Rask who turned out pretty well

JFJ's problem was his FA signings and trades, because he was under pressure from ownership to 'win now' so he went ahead and made moves that he was hoping would put the Leafs over the hump .. Obviously those moves didn't work and the Leafs got left out of prospects/picks for the future

Had JFJ been given the option to rebuild and sell off the Muskoka 5 instead of trying to resign them I bet the Leafs would be an annual cup contender now .. Rather we were left with a barren farm system and an AHL roster playing at the NHL level.

.. Now with what's happened today my greatest fear, as is many fans on this board, is ownership making the same mistake by wanting to 'win now' and trying to place a GM in a position to make this team a contender when it has no business being one yet.

Much like you criticize Burke for finishing in the bottom for 2/3 seasons, you praise JFJ for all those prospects we see now .. Wait 2-3 more seasons and you'll be praising Burke for all those draft picks he brought in (through trades mostly) assuming those prospects aren't traded.

It'll be an endless cycle until we have an ownership group that is patient .. And we're almost there! So to remove Burke from his position when we're on the cusp of seeing his true work, where he gathered all these young quality prospects, is wrong. Sure his stopgaps failed miserably over the last few years but that doesn't mean he hasn't improved this team going forward.

Bert man....I love you more. Thank you my good sir.

 

[leugangen]

What do you guys think Nonis meant when he continuaally refered to being "More Patient" than Burke.

where does he say this?

 

[Pilky01]

What do you guys think Nonis meant when he continuaally refered to being "More Patient" than Burke.

He meant he wouldn't make another Kessel trade. Hopefully.

 

[aselvana]

What do you guys think Nonis meant when he continuaally refered to being "More Patient" than Burke.

to my understanding
nonis= quiet man, willing to listening, but still upholds his own opinion. a business exec
burkie= my way or the highway. a hockey exec.

just makes sense why BC is still the gm of the raptors. He's a great corporate ass kisser

 

[Stats01]

Like is it just me or did Nonis not look really excited during the press conference. Almost seemed miserable even. I don't know if that's just his personality or not but I just found it off

He was obviously in shock. Burke finds out he's fired and told not to get on the plane to NY, Nonis finds that he's going to be the GM then they have to get together a quick press conference. All this in the morning. Plus him and Burke were close, how do you expect him to act? have a big smile on his face? I can only imagine the roller coaster of a day it was for him

 

[Badger Mayhew*]

Never once mentioned kadri.

He mentioned

Jake Gardiner
Morgan Rielly
Joe Colborne
Carter Ashton
Joshua Leivo
Matt Finn

Everyone else was chopped liver.

Not mentioning them by name =/= Them being on their way out

 

[bluebarry]

Yes, very much so and other Leaf GMs and coaches of the past as well, but this one trumps that one.

I'm a results oriented guy that strongly believes in accountability for the performance of the team resides squarely on the shoulders of the GM in charge.

JFJ teams coming out of the lockout missed the playoffs by 3 points combined over 2 seasons combined and was justly fired for his failures to meet company objectives. Burke's teams missed the playoffs by 12, 14, 8 & 12 points after his 4 season and posted a below < .500 record on average over the course of his time here with only Edmonton, Columbus and NYI finishing below Toronto with less wins/points over that time.

results oriented people can't comprehend complicated issues. They turn to simple numbers which they understand like a child understands that 2 is bigger than 1. They try to dumb down an issue by correlating it to a number system that can not adequately make sense of otherwise.

im not knocking results oriented people. evryone has their limitations. if thats the most they can do as far as critical thinking goes that's fine.

 

[Bigleaf]

Dave Hodge just said n OTR that he heard from 2 sources, one very high up in MLSE, THREE months ago, that Burke would not be the GM for the Leafs for one game this season. Now, having heard that, why did they wait this long? That's the problem I'm having with this.

 

[BillyD]

Simmons: Why Burke Was Fired

For whatever its worth, Simmons thinks it had little to do with Luongo or no playoffs, he returns instead to cryptic comments about Burke's personal life which he's mentioned before:

First this:

It was late in the Stanley Cup playoffs when the word began drifting out about Brian Burke.

How he was acting erratically.

How his life was spiraling in dubious ways.

How the new owners of the Maple Leafs, still not officially in place, were not happy with what they saw, what they regularly were hearing, what they believed about their prized hockey team.

It was late in the playoffs and the question was asked almost everywhere I travelled, with too many stories — some false, some true — being spread around late at night: He had become the topic almost every day. The questions being asked: What’s going on with Brian Burke? And how long before the Maple Leafs fire him?

Then this:

They fired him because they were tired of going to receptions and hearing: Did you hear where Brian was last night, or how he acted, or that, apparently, he was in places he didn’t need to be apparent?

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/09/leafs-simply-didnt-want-burke-as-face-of-franchise-anymore

No idea what Simmons is talking about, but can't wait to find out some day like we always do.

 

[Pi]

I'll start off by saying I'm a big fan of Burke and his passion for hockey and he sticks to what he says and believes in his principles more than anybody or anything else.

However, despite saying that...CHANGE is GOOD.

Ask yourself this question: What do fans, media and fans of other teams think of FIRST when they think of the Maple Leafs?

Hint: It's not Dion Phaneuf, the captain, or Kessel, the best player on the team.

It's Brian Burke. Brian Burke became the face of the Leafs and I think it's not that good for a GM to become the face of the team.

Every good team has a GM that is usually in the background and makes minimal headlines and or trades and just lets his team do the talking. I believe that we could have gotten to this stage with Burke sooner or later. The management should have fired him earlier than at this moment if they didn't think that would be possible..

Nonis is no rookie...I was worried when Burke was fired and the reports about Luongo being attached to it. I have FULL confidence that Nonis is not going to trade an integral part of the current LEAFS roster.

I can see Kadri being traded...as he has just not been able to have an impact here (though I'd be very sad), but I don't see him trading Gardiner...

I mean come on, Nonis isn't Gauthier. Gauthier traded a top prospect like McDonagh + for a bum like Gomez. I have full reason to believe Gardiner is going NOWHERE.

I feel that Nonis is going to do a fine job, it might take a while but the ground work has been done. Take the focus off the GM, put it on the coach and the players and see where it takes us.