Mr Knies Guy
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Confirmed with Link: Dave Nonis TML GM|Burke retained as Senior Advisor to board - III
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Leafidelity
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Seems to me the only people outright happy are some posters here. Even Nonis didn't seem too happy today.
I'm more concerned that we're once again heading straight for the JFJ years, with meddling ownership and BOG who know little/nothing about sports management.
Burke - I'm shocked he's gone, and to be honest, pissed off over the timing.
Burke - I'm shocked he's gone, and to be honest, pissed off over the timing.
ULF_55
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I have to admit, I'm glad that period is over. Was never aboard that, but I knew I'd be here long after it had passed (health and safety willing).
Players obviously are going to feel something as they were close to him, and Nonis had a friend lose his position. Completely understandable, and only a complete dolt of a player would ever say anything uncomplimentary.
I'm sad for Burke, although his severance package is being able to continue collecting his contract money and offer advice (will be interesting if he doesn't leave with another job shortly). Also think some of the personal issues in his life have to be a heavy load especially today.
But I compartmentalize my feelings here.
Well he has a clean slate, after next year we have only 3 guys under contract. Thanks for the team Burkie...........
Check capgeek, I don`t count guys he drafted last year.
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Ohio Jones
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Lots of people have been saying variations of this, despite the fact that we have precisely ZERO evidence that there was any concern from the board regarding hockey moves.
It's one thing for a board to want a guy they can get along with in place. It's quite another to think you should be telling that guy what todo with his team. There's lots of reason to think the former happened, none at all so far to suggest the latter.
So how about we all relax about that part of it until there's something to get worked up about?
Leafidelity
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At the end of the day we're all Leafs fans, and though I may have thoroughly enjoyed with Burke did, my ties lay with the team.
My biggest qualm is not that he was fired - it's the timing and reasons I've heard thus far. Usually the presser for a new GM is filled with new hope for the future and this one seemed nothing of the sort.
iPunch;57366063[B said:
seriously can you be that naiive....what do you expect players, peers and coworkers to say? You honestly believe there weren't some in the biz who did a little dance when they heard the news? I'm willing to bet Mr.Burke rubbed a few people the wrong way over the years. Sure he has his friends but with his personality type..he had some who disliked him for certain.
Ohio Jones
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If by "lame" you mean legitimate reasons why the Leafs' listed success over the past decade is no more impressive than the Jays' lack of success, I agree with you.
Speculation? They mentioned both reasons clearly in the conference. Part on-ice performance and part "management tone".
In other words, hockey moves and his well known attitude.
The only thing the media seems to be pulling out of thin air is the Luongo trade being a factor which may or not be true. I imagine we'll see in a few days
Actually now I am pretty sure the reasoning behind the Burke firing was his attitude, I think he was standing still with his principles (no matter how outrageous they were) and mlse didn't want that. They want someone who's a company man and will do w/e mlse wants. Just look at Brian Colangelo. He is a horrid gm that continually puts the raptors in worse situations every year, signs horrible contracts and has made the team pure garbage during his tenure, yet he still hasn't been fired. My only reasoning is that its because of his corporate business man character. He won't tell you straight up what he will / won't do, what the plan for the future is (probably no plan, just takes it day by day). All you'll get is a clean cut dude in a perfect suit with no substance. I'm not saying it about Nonis, as I honestly don't know much about him, but imo that's the reason why he got fired. He and mlse probably did not agree on things and Burke having a huge ego didn't want to budge. Guess he underestimated the new management.
SprDaVE
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Liles and Lupul took to twitter to say that despite the news (commented on Burke being a great guy, etc), that nothing changes in their plan to have a great year.
Obviously you wouldn't expect any different, but it's cool to hear I guess.
The timing, rather than it being a conspiracy, to me sounds like they were just waiting for the CBA thing to be over with. As soon as that happened they fired him.
I never hated Burke, but he was here for 5 stinky seasons. He'll find a job else where without any problems. Nonis isn't a bad replacement either. So I'll just wait and see what direction Nonis takes this team and how he can improve it.
I never hated Burke, but he was here for 5 stinky seasons. He'll find a job else where without any problems. Nonis isn't a bad replacement either. So I'll just wait and see what direction Nonis takes this team and how he can improve it.
The timing is weird but it's not really a sticking point for me. I didn't mind Burke staying on and finishing his contract, I also understand why the decision would be made to let him move on and this move doesn't bother me.
What does worry me is the possibility that ownership might get too involved in the hockey operations of things. I could rationalize it in one way saying that ownership didn't like Burke's style and because they felt they could replace him internally with a guy that fits their style and is already heavily involved in the best attributes of the team to date - might as well give the guy you like the job. I would hope that's their thinking.
What does worry me is the possibility that ownership might get too involved in the hockey operations of things. I could rationalize it in one way saying that ownership didn't like Burke's style and because they felt they could replace him internally with a guy that fits their style and is already heavily involved in the best attributes of the team to date - might as well give the guy you like the job. I would hope that's their thinking.
Ohio Jones
Game on...
Lots of things "may or may not be true", and are precisely what you said: speculation. Speculation is not evidence until it happens, at which point it's no longer speculation.
The fact remains, there is no evidence that the board wanted him to make - or not make - specific hockey moves, and that his refusal to at along was the reason for his dismissal. Yet that is what many posters here continue to contend as they lament the coming years as being "like JFJ". That's all I was trying to poke a pin through.
I think he drafted Schneider, Edler, Hansen, Raymond and Hodgson. Obviously there must be others but I guess those are the notable ones.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/prime_time_sports/
5 PM - Listen now - go to 3:45 for interview with Anselmi.
5 PM - Listen now - go to 3:45 for interview with Anselmi.
TootooTrain
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People shouldn't put too much weight into it. Yes Nonis does make the final call, but it's completely different scouting staffs.
Mess
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Agree on the timing, as I'm struggling to come up with valid reasons why it took this long to finally happen.
But in fairness I thought it was a gigantic mistake signing him originally in the first place, and so it seems like its taken forever to finally push the reset button by MLSE.
You might be the same, but not since the Ballard era ending has a non player transaction met with this much approval for me.
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