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I don't understand why he's trying to get Giroux going though... Hasn't he put up respectable numbers? I could see being concerned with Schenn's slow start.

Giroux has 2 more assists than anyone else in the NHL.
 

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Let's not pretend our Powerplay Percentage isn't inflated by scoring 5 goals on the PP in our last 2 games against two of the worst teams in the NHL.

It still isn't looking great. Getting set up looks much harder, and they are making no changes to get Ghost free to blast a one-timer.
 

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Just shows the complexity of putting together a roster.

You really want your PK guys coming from your bottom two lines, if you have to use top guys, then the third line has to score at ES and at least one guy also play on the second PP unit.
 
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I swear it seems like half the people on this board don't watch other hockey games and never see what other teams post on their boards/GDTs.

EVERY fanbase complains about their coaches lineups.
EVERY fanbase complains about their coaches favoritism towards certain players.
EVERY fanbase has all kinds of different complaints that I see being made on this board and people act like it's exclusive to us. (Slow starts, bad special teams, goaltending woes, star players not dominating every second of every game, and about a million more things).
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exactly. I am convinced if the internet was around in the 70s they would whine about Fred Shero's lineup decision and would want him fired, tarred and feathered after the Flyers were swept by Montreal in 76.
 

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If MacDonald is in the lineup on Saturday, anyone that defends Hakstol should also be tarred and feathered.
 
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Let's not pretend our Powerplay Percentage isn't inflated by scoring 5 goals on the PP in our last 2 games against two of the worst teams in the NHL.

It still isn't looking great. Getting set up looks much harder, and they are making no changes to get Ghost free to blast a one-timer.

even still I would put the issues with the PP pretty far down on the list of things that haven't gone right with this team. We cannot complain we are not getting our chances either.
I am not putting all the PK issues on the skaters either. How about one of our goalies make a save when they are asked to.
 

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I think Raffl definitely needs to be trained on the PK

He was pretty good when he played there under Berube.

He got more PK time than Giroux in 14-15 in 14 less games played... he was the #5 Fwd on the PK a lot of the year.

He had the 3rd best CF% after Couturier and Read on the PK.
 

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Provorov sent back to juniors. :sarcasm:

MacDonald - Gudas
Schultz - Ghost
Manning - Streit

I think I would literally puke.

If it did happen, and it won't, but if it did..i'd be done for the season lol
 

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What I don't get is Raffl not on the PK. It's not like he's depended on to score or saved for the PP. He's the perfect guy to eat up a couple minutes of PK. It's without question he is one of the best defensive players on the team. If it's down to something as stupid as shot block technique.....here's a radical idea, coaches! Coach. Showing him how to block a shot is a lot easier than teaching someone to be a smart hockey player, which seems to be Lappy's MO.

Feet together, face towards the shot, cut the whirling dervish stuff, Raffl. That was easy.
 

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Maybe Raffl is like my dog and can't be taught certain basic things. :laugh:

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What I don't get is Raffl not on the PK. It's not like he's depended on to score or saved for the PP. He's the perfect guy to eat up a couple minutes of PK. It's without question he is one of the best defensive players on the team. If it's down to something as stupid as shot block technique.....here's a radical idea, coaches! Coach. Showing him how to block a shot is a lot easier than teaching someone to be a smart hockey player, which seems to be Lappy's MO.

Feet together, face towards the shot, cut the whirling dervish stuff, Raffl. That was easy.

Just one decision in a long-line of questionable decisions by Hak. He has all the tools to be a great PKer. Maybe now that he won't be in the top 6 anymore, he WILL start to get PK minutes? He didn't get any in preseason though so I don't know..
 

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I would really love to see, when everyone is healthy:

Schenn -- Giroux -- Simmonds
Konecny -- Couturier -- Voracek
Raffl -- Cousins -- Read
Lyubimov -- Bellemare/Gordon -- Weise
Gordon/Bellemare

Del Zotto -- Gostisbehere
Provorov -- Gudas
Manning -- Streit
Schultz

Mason
Neuvirth

PP1:

Simmonds
Giroux -- Schenn -- Voracek
Gostisbehere

PP2:

Weise
Konecny -- Couturier
Streit -- Provorov

PK Fwds:

Couturier -- Read
Raffl -- Lyubimov
Bellemare -- Weise
(ofc Gordon when in line-up too... and Laughton when he is in)

PK Dmen:

Del Zotto -- Gudas
Provorov -- Streit/Manning
 

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The absolutely crazy thing is with the amount of goals against is that:

A. The Flyers have been spending hardly ANY time in the Dzone 5v5 when you look around the NHL. 58.42% relative ZS, 3rd best in NHL... so 58.42% of the starts when looking at OZ and DZ have been in the OZ.

Their 24.49% DZ starts is 2nd best in the NHL after the Capitals!

B. The Flyers are at 51.3% Corsi at 5v5... this is lower than it really should be considering the zone starts... and would indicate they really should be shooting more while in the zone and allowing less shots from opponents in the time they are in their zone... but is still good...

and it is not like they are simply 'out-corsi'ing' their D... the Defense is 13th best in NHL at suppressing shot attempts, and Offense 12th best at generating. We are not doing a 'Maple Leafs' or 'Stars' and just playing run and gun basically.
 

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I just wonder, is Hakstol to blame for Giroux and Voracek issues? I mean their degradation began as soon as Hakstol came, maybe they just don't fit his ideas?
 

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I just wonder, is Hakstol to blame for Giroux and Voracek issues? I mean their degradation began as soon as Hakstol came, maybe they just don't fit his ideas?

It's a factor for sure, IMO
 

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Don't know how you can say it isn't. Not entirely, maybe not even to start, but he's a big part of their funk, or the inability to get out of it. Teams don't **** the bed scoring, to the very last man, and it doesn't fall back on the coach. Too many players dropped hints by the end of the year (Jake, Simmer, Schenn) that the present offensive system stifled scoring/chances.

Same time both have had bad injuries the last 2 years, so that matters and obfuscates things.......but even when healthy, it's beyond that. They're not playing like themselves and look confused, like they're second guessing and thinking too hard. They're super talented creators who are best when holding onto the puck, but they've often been reduced to non-instinctual, simple low-high plays. They're all bland structure, playing with such little creativity and feel. They barely (especially Giroux) even attack the high danger areas anymore, and that's a team wide Hak thing too.
 
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