Datsyuk - Bergeron - Hossa vs Kariya - Kopitar - Guy Lafleur

[Coffee]

Run it to 500 man it’s all good!

Hey, man, come on now. I'm asking you so we can pick a number together, im not being a dictator here

 

[x Tame Impala]

Hey, man, come on now. I'm asking you so we can pick a number together, im not being a dictator here

200 seems good to me. It’s clearly a close contest with both sides feeling strongly. Great poll though dude.

 

[Coffee]

200 seems good to me. It’s clearly a close contest with both sides feeling strongly. Great poll though dude.

Appreciate it man

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

The one with Lafleur.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Odd as it is, imo, I'd take Lafleur and Kariya over any of the other 4 options.

 

[The Macho King]

Guy f***ing Lafleur is losing this? What the hell - the dude won 3 Art Ross trophies outscoring his linemates by 70 points.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Guy f***ing Lafleur is losing this? What the hell - the dude won 3 Art Ross trophies outscoring his linemates by 70 points.

It's true insanity and/or recency bias

Like, some funny ass posters here are trying to convince others that Datsyuk would be able to not only contain Lafleur, but also help His trio to win, which is dumb as a rock stupid

 

[Tupu]

It's true insanity and/or recency bias

Like, some funny ass posters here are trying to convince others that Datsyuk would be able to not only contain Lafleur, but also help His trio to win, which is dumb as a rock stupid

Well for Datsyuk he was on par with Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin at his absolute peak? Is Lafleur better than them and how much? How does it make people funny ass posters if they saw Dats playing on a daily basis? Maybe then the other line wins if he was on Gretzky and Lemieux level but otherwise I see it reasonable to pick the first line.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Well for Datsyuk he was on par with Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin at his absolute peak? Is Lafleur better than them and how much? How does it make people funny ass posters if they saw Dats playing on a daily basis? Maybe then the other line wins if he was on Gretzky and Lemieux level but otherwise I see it reasonable to pick the first line.

At his peak, Lafleur is the best player in the league and ultimatly, ranks at worst top 15 OF ALL TIME
It took Gretzky to overcome Lafleur.

Sorry, but was Datsyuk good? You bet he was. He was a machine. Everyone in this thread is a beast.

But Lafleur is way higher up on the mountain


It would be like if Suzuki was center of line 1 and Prime Kucherov was on the second line, and I'm supposed to be convinced that Suzuki is going to out-hockey Kucherov?

And to be honest, I think that the difference between Suzuki and Prime Kuch is smaller than Datsyuk/Lafleur

 

[Tupu]

At his peak, Lafleur is the best player in the league and ultimatly, ranks at worst top 15 OF ALL TIME
It took Gretzky to overcome Lafleur.

Sorry, but was Datsyuk good? You bet he was. He was a machine. Everyone in this thread is a beast.

But Lafleur is way higher up on the mountain


It would be like if Suzuki was center of line 1 and Prime Kucherov was on the second line, and I'm supposed to be convinced that Suzuki is going to out-hockey Kucherov?

And to be honest, I think that the difference between Suzuki and Prime Kuch is smaller than Datsyuk/Lafleur

Dont really get this Suzuki and Kuch comparisons? Okay, there was D and Z, but mostly in different lines. Dats usually played with 3rd or 4th liners to make them almost like first liners. I was just asking how much better player Lafleur was than Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin? Was he that good hed wud rank higher than those players of all time?

/edit Datsyuk would level him if needed sorry.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Dont really get this Suzuki and Kuch comparisons? Okay, there was D and Z, but mostly in different lines. Dats usually played with 3rd or 4th liners to make them almost like first liners. I was just asking how much better player Lafleur was than Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin? Was he that good hed wud rank higher than those players of all time?

/edit Datsyuk would level him if needed sorry.

I think Prime Lafleur outcompete both Prime Crosby and Prime Malkin as far as points goes
He is, however, a less complete player than Prime Crosby

But I've never believed the narrative pushed by a couple contrarians about Datsyuk being the second best player in the league, behind Crosby. To me, it was always BS

 

[Tupu]

I think Prime Lafleur outcompete both Prime Crosby and Prime Malkin as far as points goes
He is, however, a less complete player than Prime Crosby

But I've never believed the narrative pushed by a couple contrarians about Datsyuk being the second best player in the league, behind Crosby. To me, it was always BS

Please respond me the sent message before this. Anyways. Dats was one of a kind. He could outplay Crosby, Malkin and Ovie if he wanted. Well If youre saying he was that good he was that good. Dunno, but mustve been a heck of a playa. If Dats didnt had any chance to close and outsmart him its a good prediction then. God damn he had to be the best player ever.

 

[Crow]

At his peak, Lafleur is the best player in the league and ultimatly, ranks at worst top 15 OF ALL TIME
It took Gretzky to overcome Lafleur.

HOH last poll a while ago, the most recent one, has him 23rd, so I’m not sure why you are saying he is 15th at worst. Those guys generally know better than me, but I would listen to an argument why they are wrong.

 

[norrisnick]

I think Prime Lafleur outcompete both Prime Crosby and Prime Malkin as far as points goes
He is, however, a less complete player than Prime Crosby

But I've never believed the narrative pushed by a couple contrarians about Datsyuk being the second best player in the league, behind Crosby. To me, it was always BS

Especially since most of the time he was the 3rd best player on Detroit...

 

[Tupu]

Especially since most of the time he was the 3rd best player on Detroit...

Thats actually cool tbh, He was easily the best on the team but you can have your opinion also tho.. Questianable being the best or the second. God damn. 4th of the best players fighting for god damnnit f***. This man was easily a decent pickup for this kind of things pick upss --___--

 

[authentic]

Especially since most of the time he was the 3rd best player on Detroit...

The more you repeat this the more false it becomes

 

[norrisnick]

The more you repeat this the more false it becomes

You're right, I forgot the premise of this thread was a playoff series. He might not even be 3rd...

 

[tarheelhockey]

Well for Datsyuk he was on par with Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin at his absolute peak

A lot of people disagreed with this at the time and even more disagree with it in hindsight. The window of time where this was even an argument lasted all of 2 seasons and coincided perfectly with the window where the Wings were a fully loaded powerhouse.

Two seasons. One of those seasons he finished 3rd for the Hart… behind Ovechkin and Malkin. Fifteen years later someone’s saying this meant he could outplay Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin “if he wanted to”.

As soon as Hossa left and Lidstrom hit 40, *poof* no more arguments about Datsyuk being anything close to Crosby or Ovechkin or Malkin. Funny how that worked.

 

[Wry n Ginger]

I know people love these polls but they start to get pretty funny after a while.

Mario Lemieux - Jesus - Wendy's "Where's the beef" lady
Wayne Gretzky - Chuck Norris - The Kool-Aid man

Which team wins a tug-of-war over a pit of laser piranhas? I would go with the Norris team since piranhas are scared of him in a primordial way.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Again the two best players are losing this thread. And Kopitar is great as well

 

[authentic]

A lot of people disagreed with this at the time and even more disagree with it in hindsight. The window of time where this was even an argument lasted all of 2 seasons and coincided perfectly with the window where the Wings were a fully loaded powerhouse.

Two seasons. One of those seasons he finished 3rd for the Hart… behind Ovechkin and Malkin. Fifteen years later someone’s saying this meant he could outplay Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin “if he wanted to”.

As soon as Hossa left and Lidstrom hit 40, *poof* no more arguments about Datsyuk being anything close to Crosby or Ovechkin or Malkin. Funny how that worked.

6th in points per game at 36, best advanced stats in the NHL. Lidstrom was retired by that point, he played largely with Helm and Abdelkader. For reference he was 5th and 8th in points per game in his back to back peak seasons.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Lafleur tips the scales. Anze Kopitar in 2012 was also a f***ing beast. Dude was all over the opposing line like stink on shit.

 

[BTO]

Guy Lafleur broke Bruins-fans hearts numerous times and I have no doubt the he’d do so again if given the chance.

 

[tarheelhockey]

6th in points per game at 36, best advanced stats in the NHL.

Who was #1?

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Not to beat dead Horses, but Kariya is the best player on the list not named Guy. And Kopitar and Dats are a coin flip.