Proposal: Darnell Nurse to VAN
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Peter Griffin
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I wouldn’t trade OEL for Nurse straight up.
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Why would the Canucks even pick up the phone
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Despite his showing against Calgary over the weekend, Nurse is a legitimate #1 defenseman and has been quite good this year. That contract is horrendous in that it will likely age terribly, but it's not really that insane for this year.
OEL is a #4-5 guy who as Jannik Hansen said on Vancouver radio, wouldn't be that bad if you didn't know about his contract or his previous play. However, those things are reality, and he's a shell of his former self, and on one of the very worst contracts in the NHL.
However, this trade makes absolutely no sense for either team directionally. Vancouver would maybe do this because they'd have to pay a 1st (and likely more) just to get rid of OEL's contract. To get Nurse at a market value contract is a great return. But it doesn't push the needle enough for the current team, which is mediocre, and might just be better off keeping the 1st.
Edmonton is getting smoked. They have absolutely no reason to trade their best defenseman for a mid 1st round pick and to take on one of the worst contracts in the league while they have two of the best players in the world.
OEL is a #4-5 guy who as Jannik Hansen said on Vancouver radio, wouldn't be that bad if you didn't know about his contract or his previous play. However, those things are reality, and he's a shell of his former self, and on one of the very worst contracts in the NHL.
However, this trade makes absolutely no sense for either team directionally. Vancouver would maybe do this because they'd have to pay a 1st (and likely more) just to get rid of OEL's contract. To get Nurse at a market value contract is a great return. But it doesn't push the needle enough for the current team, which is mediocre, and might just be better off keeping the 1st.
Edmonton is getting smoked. They have absolutely no reason to trade their best defenseman for a mid 1st round pick and to take on one of the worst contracts in the league while they have two of the best players in the world.
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This is actually sad.
Yes Nurse is overpaid, and yes he's struggled the past 5-10 games, but the memory span of most HFers here is pathetic.
30-40 games into the season some Oilers fans were suggesting that he was the Oilers most valuable player after McDavid. Obviously that isn't true, but he was a two-way force for the majority of the season playing some of the toughest minutes in the league. The advanced stats back it up. He's struggled big-time recently but his shot and chance shares overall are very strong.
It's easy to say "big fast dumb" and point to his contract, but the reality is that Nurse is an integral piece for our team and a more than capable top-pairing D-man. If you play top pairing minutes, have positive metrics in all areas, (shot/chance/xGF), especially relative to your team, you're a top pairing defensemen. Isn't that groundbreaking?
Yes Nurse is overpaid, and yes he's struggled the past 5-10 games, but the memory span of most HFers here is pathetic.
30-40 games into the season some Oilers fans were suggesting that he was the Oilers most valuable player after McDavid. Obviously that isn't true, but he was a two-way force for the majority of the season playing some of the toughest minutes in the league. The advanced stats back it up. He's struggled big-time recently but his shot and chance shares overall are very strong.
It's easy to say "big fast dumb" and point to his contract, but the reality is that Nurse is an integral piece for our team and a more than capable top-pairing D-man. If you play top pairing minutes, have positive metrics in all areas, (shot/chance/xGF), especially relative to your team, you're a top pairing defensemen. Isn't that groundbreaking?
OEL has a horrible contract but he isn't a #5 guy. He is #3-4 but Vancouver will still need to get rid of this horrible contract if it doesn't cost them too much.
I have reservations about Nurse being a " legitimate #1 defenseman".
Canucks : We have cap issues, so let's trade for the worst contract in the league, and give the Oilers a 1st too.
This comment nails it. Edmonton needs to contend now. Nurse may not be playing as you'd hope based on his contract, but a few recent bad games don't make you abandon ship on him. He will be appreciated come playoff time.
I would say, as an aside, that Jim Benning would have jumped all over this because Jim Benning.
BlueBull
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I would like to apologize.
This thread was very reactionary and was made from the Thoughts I had about Nurse's Contract and comparing it to OEL's Contract.
I honestly thought that this trade might have worked 3 or 4 years ago, when Nurse was a liability on defense.
Frankly, I made this thread knowing that people would react very negatively. It's like how media works nowadays. They want to create a reaction.
I'm not going threads like this again for a while, and I'm sorry for making this thread.
-BlueBull
This thread was very reactionary and was made from the Thoughts I had about Nurse's Contract and comparing it to OEL's Contract.
I honestly thought that this trade might have worked 3 or 4 years ago, when Nurse was a liability on defense.
Frankly, I made this thread knowing that people would react very negatively. It's like how media works nowadays. They want to create a reaction.
I'm not going threads like this again for a while, and I'm sorry for making this thread.
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Wouldn’t even trade OEL straight across for Nurse. Guy is barely better than OEL and going to get paid like a Perennial Norris defenceman starting next season
ManByng
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People talking up OEL like he’s still something is laughable! Nurse is much better than OEL is at this stage of his career !
ManofSteel55
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That's OK. A lot of people who don't watch him often and rely on jfresh to tell them what players are good and what players are bad think Nurse is bad. Nearly all metrics say otherwise. The eye test says otherwise.
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I think it's worth adding to this that OEL was 27 when he signed his deal and Nurse will be 28 when his starts. If OEL is a shell of his former self at 30 it's more than fair to wonder what Nurse, who got an "Edmonton Ransom", will be like at 31.
* Does three years of Nurse minus the pick(s) minus OEL put them over the top? I don't think so. So there really isn't a reason for Vancouver to take on what will be an even bigger boat anchor contract.
* Does OEL plus pick(s) minus Nurse address issues inherent with Oilers? I don't think so. So there really isn't a reason for Edmonton to worsen their position during the prime years of McDavid and Draisaitl.
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There's a big difference between pick # 3(or even top 10 protected) in value, and then having a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
The contract Nurse signed is really rich right now. I personally don't see him as a #1D, although I do see him as a 1st pairing guy.
In a few years his contract won't seem so outrageous. Also, I see a lot (and I mean a LOT) of hatred towards Darnell Nurse on here. Way more than is warranted. Where are all of you on Seth Jones? He signed the contract that defined the market. He has been more like Tyson Barrie than Victor Hedman this year. Yet he is paid as a top NHL defenseman. Chicago is near dead last in the league. Nurse's fancy stats are better. Where is the hate towards Jones?
Posters on here are strangely quiet on that front.
In a few years his contract won't seem so outrageous. Also, I see a lot (and I mean a LOT) of hatred towards Darnell Nurse on here. Way more than is warranted. Where are all of you on Seth Jones? He signed the contract that defined the market. He has been more like Tyson Barrie than Victor Hedman this year. Yet he is paid as a top NHL defenseman. Chicago is near dead last in the league. Nurse's fancy stats are better. Where is the hate towards Jones?
Posters on here are strangely quiet on that front.
Id do it if the 1st is swapped and Edmonton retains 50%. Not bad OP
No way Edmonton can make this trade.
Edmonton has double OEL's value at this point.
Yes, Nurse is overpaid, but so is OEL.
Edmonton has double OEL's value at this point.
Yes, Nurse is overpaid, but so is OEL.
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