Damien Cox: It’s time for the Maple Leafs to fire coach Sheldon Keefe and bring in Bruce Boudreau

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Nothing Cox or Simmons says are to be taken seriously and aren't even worth a click. I fail to see how Boudreau is the answer to a perfect season where you don't lose. It's not exactly like the Canucks were a well structured machine that was flawless and gave it their all every night under him.
 
Nothing Cox or Simmons says are to be taken seriously and aren't even worth a click. I fail to see how Boudreau is the answer to a perfect season where you don't lose. It's not exactly like the Canucks were a well structured machine that was flawless and gave it their all every night under him.
Bruce Will become out coach. With keefe. Beadrou will coach as an assistant. For life. And be happy as that. He loves us and will help us. Others will be number Uno. Bruce Will guide us and brang that positive attitide. Together these suckas will kill. Totally.
 
Yeah some of the losses this year are embarrassing. I honestly don't know if keefe deserves the lion share of the blame or if it's the players though. Keefe has made some questionable decisions throughout his tenure for sure, but a team with Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, and John Tavares should not be losing to bottom feeders as much as they do regardless of who the coach is.
 
Cox got his start as a Tennis guy, his hockey pedigree is no better than anyone on this forum. I've wanted Keefe gone since last year, so you wont get any argument here. Not Boudreau though, Trotz is the guy I'd want for our coach.

Dubas wont fire Keefe this year, its a pipe dream to think that Keefe will get different results in this years playoffs. Keef is living off elite players playing elite for a month before teams get their systems in place. Keefe has shown, over and over and over an inability to adjust and over come other teams systems.
 
Keefe should have been fired after last years playoffs. May as well give him another kick at it now.

As you know how much I would love nothing more to see Keefe fired.

The most ideal time was right after the Habs loss. Gallant was available

Last year it was Cassidy.

If we fire Keefe it has to be for Trotz now

Boudreau can be an assistant if he wants.

I would like to see Dubas go first
 
As much as keefe might not be the right guy

Replacing him with the dude that was too lazy to implement a system for the nucks in the off season and letting the team play fire wagon hockey is f***ing dumb
 
As you know how much I would love nothing more to see Keefe fired.

The most ideal time was right after the Habs loss. Gallant was available

Last year it was Cassidy.

If we fire Keefe it has to be for Trotz now

Boudreau can be an assistant if he wants.

I would like to see Dubas go first

Gallant with less points than Toronto with the Rangers n Sherk.

Cassidy, who Boston hated so much they let go, and still less points, while Boston has the best record in the league.

Let's take steps backwards guys.
 
It’s just too bad Trotz isn’t interesting in coaching right now.

Gallant with less points than Toronto with the Rangers n Sherk.

Cassidy, who Boston hated so much they let go, and still less points, while Boston has the best record in the league.

Let's take steps backwards guys.
The Rangers are 2 points behind the Leafs with a game in hand and have been playing well lately.
 
Gallant with less points than Toronto with the Rangers n Sherk.

Cassidy, who Boston hated so much they let go, and still less points, while Boston has the best record in the league.

Let's take steps backwards guys.

I guess two stanly cup appearances by two means nothing

None of them have a record of losing being up 3-1 against the lowly Habs or Habs like team. They have won multiple rounds last 3 years. Same time as Keefe been a coach
 
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Came here expecting to see someone posting Damien's embarrassing screenshot that he tweeted just over a year ago, and I was bitterly disappointed. I guess it's up to me......
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I agree with the vast majority here regarding Cox and Simmons. Yet how many dolts here act just like these guys when the Leafs lose? I'll tell you - a lot.
Dudes really is modern day Howard Berger
If you remember that douchebag
 
I think Cox is on to something and it’s sickening to say. Though I wouldn’t advocate for a mid season change, I think they should move on from keefe at the end of this year. He just doesn’t have the group ready for games and I think they need a change of voice. They need a nicer babcock IMO, more old school coach that has a system.

I wouldn’t say Bruce but I think Rick Bowness was the guy who would have been perfect. Players coach but still a process orientated guy who is all about details and systems. Holds players accountable.
Gerard Gallant would have been an ideal choice...
 
Cox got his start as a Tennis guy, his hockey pedigree is no better than anyone on this forum. I've wanted Keefe gone since last year, so you wont get any argument here. Not Boudreau though, Trotz is the guy I'd want for our coach.

Dubas wont fire Keefe this year, its a pipe dream to think that Keefe will get different results in this years playoffs. Keef is living off elite players playing elite for a month before teams get their systems in place. Keefe has shown, over and over and over an inability to adjust and over come other teams systems.

How many coaches do these players get though? It was a larger issue under Babcock, and still pops up once in a while against weaker teams.

This is the excerpt from the CBJ loss.

On how he explains the team’s effort falling off in the second period:

I can’t. You guys talked to the players. I’m sure you asked them the same questions. I can’t do the work for them.

On whether it was an effort or execution issue:

Effort. Competitiveness.
On the message to the team in the second intermission:

They have to make a decision as to how important it is to them. That is really it.

He is right. He rightfully put the heat on the players, because that is squarely where it lies right now. They either play like they don't give a crap, or it is a good night to make the highlight reel. Marner was doing it all night. If he falls apart anywhere, it is the faith he places on his top guys to perform... Something most top coaches will do and are able to count on. He'll bench the Kampf line, but he won't bench Marner's line for making the same mistakes all the time.

Clearly, given we are able to compete and beat top level teams as well as almost anyone in the league. So how bad can he really be at preparing his players? I don't think he is telling his players to "take it easy" just because they are playing CBJ or OTT or MTL or ARI. Especially against OTT and MTL. I don't think he is telling his players to make the dumb mistakes that have cost us in the playoffs. This is a team that literally dominated CBJ for 4 periods straight and then just decided to pack it in. I don't think he told them that in the intermission.

Trotz likely would bench Matthews/Marner if needed. How those guys would respond is anyone's guess. Keefe has already somewhat benched Nylander at times, but Matthews/Marner seem exempt. It should also be noted that while Trotz did bench some of the Nylander-level players on his old teams, he never benched Ovi or anyone like that even if he was playing like crap (according to media, which seems to have a long list of Trotz benchings). Only time he benched Ovi was when he was late to practice one time.

It should be noted that, for the most part, benching guys didn't really make them play better. They were either already playing fairly well, maybe just had a bad game, and went back to playing well... Or they played like crap for an extended period of time and continued to play like crap after getting benched.

I find it funny that anyone thinks Boudreau is an answer though. He has consistently underperformed as a coach and has never won anything. His crowing achievement in like 15+ years as an NHL HC is a Conference Finals loss and a Jack Adams he won in his first year... 15 years ago. He lost Vancouver's locker room after like 40 games as their HC and he is almost 70. Chances are, it is not going to happen for him as an NHL HC.
 
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Gerard Gallant would have been an ideal choice...


And the Rangers didn't look anywhere near as good against Tampa as we did. Gallant was actually outcoached by Cooper. Keefe was not. We were far more competitive than either FLA or NYR. We just had to play them in the first round.

Quite frankly, Shestyerkin was the only reason they were anywhere near as successful as they were. He covered up a lot of massive holes on that team, especially on the blueline. Tampa just exposed those holes. And while they are playing much better in 2023 (12-2-2 since Jan 1.), there are still massive questions with consistency... Especially with their young 3rd line which is currently on a heater.
 

And the Rangers didn't look anywhere near as good against Tampa as we did. Gallant was actually outcoached by Cooper. Keefe was not. We were far more competitive than either FLA or NYR. We just had to play them in the first round.

Quite frankly, Shestyerkin was the only reason they were anywhere near as successful as they were. He covered up a lot of massive holes on that team, especially on the blueline. Tampa just exposed those holes. And while they are playing much better in 2023 (12-2-2 since Jan 1.), there are still massive questions with consistency... Especially with their young 3rd line which is currently on a heater.
He hasn't had the best of starts...agreed. But that aside, I'd take him over Keefe anytime. He was a hell of a player & I think he'll be that as a coach...a real firebrand. Keefe is too meek, inexperienced & caters way too much to the players imho.
 
He hasn't had the best of starts...agreed. But that aside, I'd take him over Keefe anytime. He was a hell of a player & I think he'll be that as a coach...a real firebrand. Keefe is too meek, inexperienced & caters way too much to the players imho.

Keefe isn't meek at all. The guy gets pissed at his players, but also respects them. He is also composed enough to keep it behind closed doors most of the time... Which is good and extremely hard to do in a market like ours.

It is a tough balance for a coach because the guy needs to be able to trust his players, and especially his top players and leaders. Every coach does. Our top players and leaders have let us down at times, especially in the playoffs, but also are the ones who are often leading this team to victory as well. They mostly need to just figure out how to be less bipolar. But given their age, he (and Dubas) are trusting them to figure it out. And really, it is on them to figure it out. I doubt they are letting them off the hook, but it is not like they can hold their hands either or they will solve anything by putting unnecessary pressure on them. I am sure Keefe/Dubas realize that they get plenty of that from fans, media, and themselves as it is.

The more fringe guys are consistently held accountable. They are just a lot more rational about it than fans are. They don't want to shoot a player to the moon after one bad game. But he's healthy scratched struggling players... And they've come back performing better. Hasn't done it with the core players as much, but then again, our struggling core players are still better than most other guys on the team...

Gallant has had highs, but also some very low lows which have led him to being fired on 3 separate occasions. Saying he is a guarantee is no different than saying Babcock was a guarantee. It is not like inexperience as an NHL head coach works against you either. Bednar was in his 6th year of his first NHL HC gig (or NHL gig in general) when he won with Colorado. Berube in STL had a brief 1.5 season stint with Philly and mostly being an NHL assistant. Took them from the basement to a Cup after coming in mid-season. Cooper was with Tampa for a while before he won but he is still in his first NHL coaching gig. No prior NHL experience and only 2.5 years of AHL experience too. Mike Sullivan was a HC for Boston for 2 years a decade before getting hired as PIT's HC mid-season, taking them from the basement to winning B2B Cups. Quite frankly, Trotz is the only "experienced" HC to win a Cup since Quenneville in 2015. That is 6 of the last 7 Cups won by "inexperienced" NHL HC's.

Sometimes it takes time, and last year was the first time Keefe ran a proper NHL training camp as an NHL HC. He has been an NHL HC for 3.5 years and people were calling for his head after the MTL loss. Not everything is necessarily perfect with him, but I have seen Cooper and Sullivan make plenty of coaching gaffs too and both won B2B Cups. This isn't a team that needs a new voice in the locker room. If there is a seismic shift on this team, the core is next in the firing line.
 
As you know how much I would love nothing more to see Keefe fired.

The most ideal time was right after the Habs loss. Gallant was available

Last year it was Cassidy.

If we fire Keefe it has to be for Trotz now

Boudreau can be an assistant if he wants.

I would like to see Dubas go first

I think you keep Dubas and can Keefe. there are better Coaching Candidates out there compared to GM.
 

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