GDT: Dallas Stars at Ottawa Senators - 5PM - TSN5 / RDS2 - To Win or Not Two Wins - Cowboy Cookout at the Okay Corel Centre

[Micklebot]

Rule should be changed to match the famous dropped food rule... After a certain amount of time (say 15 seconds play), the fact the zone entry may have been infinitesimally offside has precious little to do with why a goal was scored. Same rule for both teams...

I don't think that's really true tbh, at least not all the time.

an offside rush can create chaos as the guy that was offside is able to get into position he wouldn't have otherwise. Sustained pressure doesn't happen in a vacuum, the play leading into it can play a big role.

I'm good with it either way, either do away with the offside challenger, or keep it. Over the long term it balances out, I really don't like the idea of an offside not mattering if hit 15 second. If you really want to have some sort of hybrid rule (I don't, but to play devils advocate), I'd suggest a change of possession wipes it out (like a delayed penalty) rather than a time limit.

 

[Micklebot]

He sucks defensively & has given the puck away or wiped out several times near the end of games that cost us games. Green would rather have good defensive players out there with an open net, it's good coaching.

I imagine it's more about his faceoffs, Stutzle has gotten much better defensively (his play with the flu aside) this year.

Last couple years we had him killing penalties at times, and he did pretty well.

He'll likely start getting played in those roles again at some point, but with Norris, Pinto, and Greig all being pretty solid defenders, there isn't a lot of pressure to do so.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Jimmy Stu looks like he’s over the flu effects - it’s like night and day with that extra energy and adds a completely different dimension to the team.

Mantipalo (despite that first goal) has been solid, IMO every time I see him play I’m unclear why he isn’t ahead of both Docker and Hamonic in the 3rd pair. Skates well (better than either Hamonic or docker), big & physical (more so than docker) and moves the puck better than Hamonic for sure.
Can’t say I have a problem with Mantipalo/Docker as our options for 3rd pair RS dman.

 

[aragorn]

I imagine it's more about his faceoffs, Stutzle has gotten much better defensively (his play with the flu aside) this year.

Last couple years we had him killing penalties at times, and he did pretty well.

He'll likely start getting played in those roles again at some point, but with Norris, Pinto, and Greig all being pretty solid defenders, there isn't a lot of pressure to do so.

Agreed, he needs to be better at faceoffs. We have had him killing penalties in the first two periods, but he gives the puck away too often. He also takes too many risks or wipes out with the puck & they cannot afford to have him on the ice near the end of games when he plays like that.

He doesn't protect the puck. His biggest problem is that he thinks he can beat everyone & sometimes it doesn't work & the other three are much better & more reliable defensively. He should be a winger. I don't want to see him on the ice when we are ahead by one goal & they pull the goalie & have a man advantage. The coach seems to think so too.

 

[Bileur]

Nothing to be ashamed of. He is coming back to the Ring of Honour soon!

PD elite GM

The only way he’s getting into The Ring of Honour is if someone opens a pizzeria and names it “The Ring of Honour”

 

[Dionysus]

Agreed, he needs to be better at faceoffs. We have had him killing penalties in the first two periods, but he gives the puck away too often. He also takes too many risks or wipes out with the puck & they cannot afford to have him on the ice near the end of games when he plays like that.

He doesn't protect the puck. His biggest problem is that he thinks he can beat everyone & sometimes it doesn't work & the other three are much better & more reliable defensively. He should be a winger. I don't want to see him on the ice when we are ahead by one goal & they pull the goalie & have a man advantage. The coach seems to think so too.

This season giveaways have not really been an issue. His puck management has been good. He's the best on the team at zone exits and entries. Faceoffs are a weak spot, but he is playing with G currently so that is mitigated.

Well aware you don't like Stutzle's game. They need to bury teams with the net empty, especially with the early goalie pulls you see frequently.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Is dark mode gone?
And notifications?

Edit: if you turn on dark mode on your browser settings, this site becomes dark again (but all your other sites do too).

 

[WallyD]

I don't think that's really true tbh, at least not all the time.

an offside rush can create chaos as the guy that was offside is able to get into position he wouldn't have otherwise. Sustained pressure doesn't happen in a vacuum, the play leading into it can play a big role.

I'm good with it either way, either do away with the offside challenger, or keep it. Over the long term it balances out, I really don't like the idea of an offside not mattering if hit 15 second. If you really want to have some sort of hybrid rule (I don't, but to play devils advocate), I'd suggest a change of possession wipes it out (like a delayed penalty) rather than a time limit.

In most cases these offside calls are not blatant obvious misses. They are minuscule infractions though an infraction none the less. If they were not close then the offside would likely have resulted in the play being blown dead. Not sure I agree with the chaos observation as team on the defensive is supposed to play to the whistle. Should not be that disheveled by a potential offside call being missed.

The point on time was that the offside being causal to scoring diminishes with time. A goal scored immediately (short time) after an offside entry is far more attributable to the (missed) offside than a goal scored a long time after, The latter is far more attributable to the defenders not defending well than the 'ancient' infraction.

I don't disagree with you on one point. I would prefer to see the challenge/review gone, but then I believe I know how that would work out. The NHL's fave teams and very loud fan bases will always get more benefit of the doubt over lesser light unworthy teams.

I do like your point on how if we are to have the rule, then a change of possession during play in that zone could negate the offside challenge. Very smart - something to think about! Of course then we would need to clearly define "change of possession" because the zebras often seem to have significant issues figuring out when to blow the whistle on a delayed penalty call. Are they then going to need to review the CoP to then decide if they review the offside challenge?

 

[Micklebot]

In most cases these offside calls are not blatant obvious misses. They are minuscule infractions though an infraction none the less. If they were not close then the offside would likely have resulted in the play being blown dead. Not sure I agree with the chaos observation as team on the defensive is supposed to play to the whistle. Should not be that disheveled by a potential offside call being missed.

So the reason the review is in place is because they missed a blatantly obvious offside and decided to do something about it. Once you start reviewing though, you can't say that wasn't offside enough to overturn, it either is or it isn't.

Wrt the chaos, I'm not saying guys stop playing because the think it should have been offside, I'm saying the advantage gained because of being offside can have cascading effects, it can draw another defender out of position to try and cover for the guy who got beat, which then can cause issues with the next guy ect. Especiially with penalty kill situations where the PP getting set up is key, if an offside results in a clean entry that can mean sustained pressure instead of a denial of entry

The point on time was that the offside being causal to scoring diminishes with time. A goal scored immediately (short time) after an offside entry is far more attributable to the (missed) offside than a goal scored a long time after, The latter is far more attributable to the defenders not defending well than the 'ancient' infraction.

In most situations, I agree. But outside of rush plays, a lot of good chances come from getting set in the OZ and starting the cycle. If you can get in and start the cycle clean because of the advantage gained from an offside, that't a significant advantage regardless of how long you cycle for before making the scoring play.

I don't disagree with you on one point. I would prefer to see the challenge/review gone, but then I believe I know how that would work out. The NHL's fave teams and very loud fan bases will always get more benefit of the doubt over lesser light unworthy teams.

I do like your point on how if we are to have the rule, then a change of possession during play in that zone could negate the offside challenge. Very smart - something to think about! Of course then we would need to clearly define "change of possession" because the zebras often seem to have significant issues figuring out when to blow the whistle on a delayed penalty call. Are they then going to need to review the CoP to then decide if they review the offside challenge?

Agree about fan influence potentially swaying offside calls if there's no review. I also think knowing the challenge is available allows refs to err on the side of letting it go which imo is a good thing. I'd rather see a goal wiped out because it was offside, then a clean play (lets say a two on one) wiped out because the linesman got it wrong and there's no way to give it back to them.

tbh, they could probably just review all scoring plays from the booth, and not even involve the refs or a challenge. That way there would likely be limited to no delay as you wouldn't have the will he or won't he challenge, and theyd already be looking at it before the ref realizes there might be a challenge. Won't change how frustrated fans get seeing 30 seconds added back on the clock and their goal disappear, but it would speed the process up significantly.

 

[BigRig4]

Is dark mode gone?
And notifications?

I swear there were notifications post-update until today

Edit: on mobile

 

[SpezDispenser]

This site is so ungiving now on mobile. Barfie even.

 

[tardigrade81]

Is dark mode gone?
And notifications?

Edit: if you turn on dark mode on your browser settings, this site becomes dark again (but all your other sites do too).

If seems useable again. Was horrible before

 

[SpezDispenser]

I didn't watch the pre-game, was Gregor scratched or is he injured?

EDIT: Just read he's injured

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I hope people see the importance of getting decent goaltending and how the guys don't grip their sticks so hard and can actually score when we get saves

Slow first with no back breakers


not weird...they don't trust Forsberg

This seems lost on many. Seems like the team at least is getting it with Leevi getting back to back starts.

 

[Loach]

Agreed, he needs to be better at faceoffs. We have had him killing penalties in the first two periods, but he gives the puck away too often. He also takes too many risks or wipes out with the puck & they cannot afford to have him on the ice near the end of games when he plays like that.

He doesn't protect the puck. His biggest problem is that he thinks he can beat everyone & sometimes it doesn't work & the other three are much better & more reliable defensively. He should be a winger. I don't want to see him on the ice when we are ahead by one goal & they pull the goalie & have a man advantage. The coach seems to think so too.

The way you scout Stu is brutal. Just stop.

 

[aragorn]

The way you scout Stu is brutal. Just stop.

The way you scout the Sens is brutal.

 

[Loach]

The way you scout the Sens is brutal.

You like welldone steak.

 

[Norris4Norris]

I think you can be bullish on the Sens because they are coached really well and have found a winning game that works for them and they are good at it, all the depth players have fit in (Merilinen, Matinpalo, Gaudette, Reinhart) they’ve withstood major injuries (Ullmark, Zub, Forsberg, Perron) and that’s team leadership, systems and coaching.

The fundamentals of the team are strong. When you’re winning games against Dallas with your 3rd strong goalie and rookies on the bottom pairing, things behind the scenes are very sophisticated. Green, Staois, Poulin all doing execellent work and i have lots of confidence in what’s going on behind the scenes. The way Brady is acting now he’s taken an extra step in his veteran presence and is more calm and the team looks confident to me. Like where it’s going, still very early for a team that should have a nice 4-5 year run here

I tend to agree with this, fingers crossed.

I think that road trip was just too much to handle. Someone posted that the Sens have had the 3rd most road games. They were tired and that 5-0 win over the penguins showed me that they got some rest. They are going to have a better record the second half due to more home games, an easier schedule and Ullmark coming back.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Yea, I've loved the physical dimension Mantipalo has brought. It's what has kept Hamonic on the roster, but now Mantipalo brings that and better skating/hands than Hamonic.

He can continue in that 3rd pairing no doubt about it.

I also feel we will see Max Gaunette raise some eyebrows soon.

 

[The Waffler]

You like welldone steak.

Hey hey no need for hurtful personal attacks here

 

[Micklebot]

You like welldone steak.

Flag on the play...

 

[Knave]

The only amazing scout here is me

Give me back darkmode pls

 

[bicboi64]

Great win, liked what I saw with Matinpalo who held his own. Big W for Merilainen and hope he can pull off a few more wins until Ullmark gets back

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Following the team this year is an emotional roller coaster. They go from such highs to such lows and back to such highs.

A huge positive is that despite having a notoriously bare cupboard, we are getting a lot of help from within the organization. Merilainen, Mantipalo, Ostapchuk, Reinhardt, etc.

I thought Matinpalo has looked decent. Like him more than JBD tbh.

Also this site's redesign is the Travis Hamonic of site redesigns. wtf, my eyes man.

Assuming JBD returns this season, I think he will have lost his spot. Which isn't saying much, because he didn't seem to ever have a spot under Travis Green in the first place. Bad timing with the injury, because he is someone who would have been helped by moving somewhere else before the trade deadline as a way to audition for an NHL job in another system.

 

[DrEasy]

Following the team this year is an emotional roller coaster. They go from such highs to such lows and back to such highs.

A huge positive is that despite having a notoriously bare cupboard, we are getting a lot of help from within the organization. Merilainen, Mantipalo, Ostapchuk, Reinhardt, etc.



Assuming JBD returns this season, I think he will have lost his spot. Which isn't saying much, because he didn't seem to ever have a spot under Travis Green in the first place. Bad timing with the injury, because he is someone who would have been helped by moving somewhere else before the trade deadline as a way to audition for an NHL job in another system.

In a way we had to get lucky with injuries to force us to properly see what we have in Matinpalo and Merilainen (this is how Zub got his first chance too IIRC). Coaches seem very reluctant to have players pass other players on the depth chart, and injuries seem to be the easiest way this can happen.

Without an injury to Sogaard maybe Merilainen is still in the AHL right now and we're losing games left and right with Forsberg and Sogaard alternating in nets?