Post-Game Talk: Dallas Does Skinner

[K1984]

Just to further highlight this, the Oilers xGA on the PK all season long (and so far in the playoffs) has been much better than the actual results, they're just not getting some of the saves they should on the PK

Every time our PK has been really bad has also been concurrent with a goaltending crater. Early October when I think we literally didn't get a PK save until the 4th or 5th kill, after the 4 Nations, and at varying points in the playoffs basically when Skinner plays.

Has the PK been operating properly in all these instances? No, and there are certainly things to clean up. However, they haven't at any point been bad enough to the point of being 60% or 0% over shorter time periods. The PK was actually very strong until the exact moment the Heiskanen goal went in. Then after that it was Swiss cheese time for Skinner.

 

[Dieseloil]

The PK has room for improvement but they haven’t done that yet. They haven’t made any adjustments all playoffs it’s been bad the entire time and they dont seem to be taking it as a serious issue to fix.

And it is series defining. Either they wake up and spend all day today fixing the f***ing penalty kill or they just erase the tape and lose the series. The PK is a problem that they keep ignoring.

Pretty hard to fix the kill when 40 foot floaters go by Stu and he doesn’t even know where they come from. But ya something needs to give.

 

[bobber]

Skinner is such a trash can of a goalie (as a whole) and has been crapped on so much the last 2 years, that even in my whatsapp large hockey chats, I still have some delusional human beings who say "Not Skinners fault" when we get scored on lol

Whether it is his fault or not, people need to say it because he is at fault so much.


It's like an auto reply. They are so used to saying it now.

If Pickard is done for good, good night Irene.

Or play any bum the first 3 games since Skinner does not have the will or mental capacity to start any series on time.

Skinner is exactly what he is. It's either good or bad. The team knows this and should be able to completely tighten up defensively with a 3-1 lead. Wasn't just Skinner in the 3rd. Oilers panicked and got running around in the D-zone taking stick infractions knowing Dallas could score. With a goalie like Skinner the whole team should tighten up defensively. Instead the blew it.

 

[bobber]

Totally, but to say that as if it absolves him of his major contribution to it serves no purpose.

Everyone knows Skinner is vulnerable to let in a few stinkers. If the Oilers play run and gun in front of him they suffer the same fate as the Leafs. Who by the way are enjoying playing a few rounds of golf. Dallas has to get some credit fir being a skilled team that came from behind and won.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Everyone knows Skinner is vulnerable to let in a few stinkers. .

True and that's why he's the most significant reason for all 4 playoff losses. It's really easy when you just honest about it.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I don’t think you’re wrong. He’s still one of the best in the league. It’s been two years of this, he’s either been injured for a while or he’s left his peak.

Said it before sometime after his 63 goal season he suffered what I believe to be a core injury. He played through it and it escalated. It’s the only explanation for the disappearance of his shot. You see him double clutch almost everytime he tries to fire the puck:

 

[Canovin]

Said it before sometime after his 63 goal season he suffered what I believe to be a core injury. He played through it and it escalated. It’s the only explanation for the disappearance of his shot. You see him double clutch almost everytime he tries to fire the puck:

Either core or wrist injury. Probably hanging out with Matthews got him doing the new age release. Matthews is also suffering from wrist injuries as well.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Skinner is exactly what he is. It's either good or bad. The team knows this and should be able to completely tighten up defensively with a 3-1 lead. Wasn't just Skinner in the 3rd. Oilers panicked and got running around in the D-zone taking stick infractions knowing Dallas could score. With a goalie like Skinner the whole team should tighten up defensively. Instead the blew it.

Yeah the Oilers should erase every star on ice and prevent them from ever having any shot. What rubbish. The Oilers were playing the same shutdown game Panthers were and your team never does.

ON a PP how do you remove EVERY shot possibility. The Oilers allowed a shot from the blueline, not even a fast shot, and it went in. You think they can erase every spot while killing pk. Send in your resume, you'd be better than any special teams coach. you must be...

The Oilers allowed 9sog in third. With any normal goalie that amounts to about 1 GA on average. Stars bagged 4. 3 were Skinners fault.

Analyze it further. Stars had 8 sog on Skinner in third, 4 went in. The other shot was the empty net goal..

Gee I wonder what the problem was.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Can you imagine Hyman alone had 12hits last night in game one. Sacrificing absolutely everything, leaving it all on ice, sweat and blood spilt just so Skinner can f***over a Win. How frustrating would that be for him and the players that gave everything.

Skinner: I could've competed better, I could have looked around screens, I'll try to get better.

Hyman skating miles, knocking pins over being physically dominant on every shift trying to do everything for a win and the dope in net, its too hard to stretch his neck to shoulder check a point shot. Just too hard. I'll do it next time. Blows my mind that nobody asks why he didn't learn from the point shot in the first that beat him (hit knob of stick luckily) because he didn't bother to try to peek around a screen. same game.

Why does it always take a glaring loss and failure in net and a bushel of GA to get this goof to learn?

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

First 40 mins my predictions were spot on and then everything collapsed in the third.
I was so mad and embarrassed I couldn’t even open HFforums last night after the game.

Skinner gonna skinner.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Said it before sometime after his 63 goal season he suffered what I believe to be a core injury. He played through it and it escalated. It’s the only explanation for the disappearance of his shot. You see him double clutch almost everytime he tries to fire the puck:

That’s what I thought for a while. But wouldn’t he get surgery? Maybe he didn’t want to take the time for surgery idk but I’d rather have him 100%

 

[iCanada]

Yeah the Oilers should erase every star on ice and prevent them from ever having any shit. What rubbish. The Oilers were playing the same shutdown game Panthers were and your team never does.

ON a PP how do you remove EVERY shot possibility. The Oilers allowed a shot from the blueline, not even a fast shot, and it went in. You think they can erase every spot while killing pk. Send in your resume, you'd be better than any special teams coach. you must be...

And again - at a certain point it's not even about individual goals against or assigning blame. At a certain point - you just need to keep the puck out of the net.

Is there maybe some form of valid excuse for each individual goal? I'd argue it's a stretch, but to steel man the perspective, let's assume that this is in fact true.

I think the thing that's glaring to me - is if you run the same kind of thought experiments that physicists and mathematicians run when they're testing their world views by extending them out to infinitesimally small quantities or infinity; if you put the best Goaltender ever in Skinners' spot - how many of those goals go in? If you put a hypothetical replacement Goaltender that is objectively not good enough for the NHL in Skinners' spot, how many of those goals go in and are there any additional high danger chances that go in?

I'd postulate that if you put Price, Broduer or Hasek in net, none of those goals go in. I'd also suggest that our theoretical replacement likely saves atleast one and that Dallas didn't have any other real high danger chances. I'd speculate further that any league average guy likely saves atleast two, and the game goes to OT at least with tide of momentum not nearly as swung in Dallas' favor.

 

[WaitingForUser]

That’s what I thought for a while. But wouldn’t he get surgery? Maybe he didn’t want to take the time for surgery idk but I’d rather have him 100%

My guess is if and when he wins the cup he will get the surgery but not before that. Nothing to go on at all just one guys opinion.

 

[McAsuno]

Yeah the Oilers should erase every star on ice and prevent them from ever having any shot. What rubbish. The Oilers were playing the same shutdown game Panthers were and your team never does.

ON a PP how do you remove EVERY shot possibility. The Oilers allowed a shot from the blueline, not even a fast shot, and it went in. You think they can erase every spot while killing pk. Send in your resume, you'd be better than any special teams coach. you must be...

The Oilers allowed 9sog in third. With any normal goalie that amounts to about 1 GA on average. Stars bagged 4. 3 were Skinners fault.

Analyze it further. Stars had 8 sog on Skinner in third, 4 went in. The other shot was the empty net goal..

Gee I wonder what the problem was.

Exactly!

 

[K1984]

That’s what I thought for a while. But wouldn’t he get surgery? Maybe he didn’t want to take the time for surgery idk but I’d rather have him 100%

I wonder when it happened if it's injury related. If it was the injury that almost kept him out of the Heritage Classic, you wonder if they didn't bother because our season would be over without him, then we went to the Final, then there might not have been enough time again, then it just never got fixed.

If it is an injury issue that requires surgery, I would hope that they just do it even if we go all the way necessitating him missing time to start next year.

 

[Echodek]

True and that's why he's the most significant reason for all 4 playoff losses. It's really easy when you just honest about it.

Yeah his record isn’t really all that good these playoffs. 2 wins and 4 losses. Not great.

Although his only 2 wins were shutouts so I’ll give him that.

 

[PuckG]

This game shouldn’t be reassuring for Dallas. They would have struggled with LA or VGK. They got caved at 5v5 - to the point that it makes you wonder how they survived against the Avs.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I wonder when it happened if it's injury related. If it was the injury that almost kept him out of the Heritage Classic, you wonder if they didn't bother because our season would be over without him, then we went to the Final, then there might not have been enough time again, then it just never got fixed.

If it is an injury issue that requires surgery, I would hope that they just do it even if we go all the way necessitating him missing time to start next year.

This is about the time I believe it went down as well. Possibly suffered during camp that season. Either way he’s pushing through it until he lifts that silver hopefully next month.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

That John Eric poster is a freak wow lol

 

[iCanada]

This game shouldn’t be reassuring for Dallas. They would have struggled with LA or VGK. They got caved at 5v5 - to the point that it makes you wonder how they survived against the Avs.

I agree to a point, but I also disagree.

Fundamentally I think seeing Skinner play like that has to be mighty reassuring. If they play well, they can beat us. If they play poorly - they can beat Skinner. They're one bounce away from him melting down at any time.

No matter what happens, they know they aren't out of it, and they will believe they can win.

 

[9GWG9]

Did we let off the gas and blow the PK....Yes

Did Dallas deserve 6 min. of PP time through the end of the second and into the third.....No

Will I still cheer for this team next year if Skinner is our starter....Fak NO!

 

[iCanada]

Did we let off the gas and blow the PK....Yes

Did Dallas deserve 6 min. of PP time through the end of the second and into the third.....No

Will I still cheer for this team next year if Skinner is our starter....Fak NO!

I'll always cheer for the Oilers. The question for me is how much I'll get emotionally invested.

In any case - I wouldn't be surprised if we see Carter Hart in an Oilers jersey next year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Did we let off the gas and blow the PK....Yes

Did Dallas deserve 6 min. of PP time through the end of the second and into the third.....No

Will I still cheer for this team next year if Skinner is our starter....Fak NO!

We didn't even. Dallas had 4-5 SOG on 3PP's in succession in third period and the Goof let 3 of them in. What again is even the function of a goalie in net?

The Matt Duchene PP goal is a laugher. No NHL goalie in the league should be such a dunce on that play. Skinner, what was he even doing. Duchene is taking whacks at the puck trying to punch it home and Skinner somehow doesn't know where the puck is? Thats a bloody indictment of his non existent tracking ability. Thats not a pk fault. how do you defend pk when you don't even have a goalie in net? It took several secs for Skinner to slowly get over, by then too late.

 

[BlackDogg]

I mean, it's not like everyone else on the ice knew where the puck was. Oh, wait.

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Maybe it was backwards day.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I agree to a point, but I also disagree.

Fundamentally I think seeing Skinner play like that has to be mighty reassuring. If they play well, they can beat us. If they play poorly - they can beat Skinner. They're one bounce away from him melting down at any time.

No matter what happens, they know they aren't out of it, and they will believe they can win.

LA didn't expect to W. Really even 2 games up and their coaching staff showed that trying to get a goal called back. Which cost them dearly. Vegas checked out soon as Stone was injured. Was a mixed performance from them and their top 5 regular season goal scorers notching zero goals. You can't ever win doing that.

I guess the good news is Hintz, Robertson, Johnson etc didn't score. Dallas got goals down the lineup. But Heiskanen got on board, 2 brilliant goals by Seguin who I said was one of the best stars in playoffs before game, and got one from Steele and Granlund who can pick spots.

Stars are no pushover. They don't need this degree of help that Skinner gave them. The bad news is this was Oilers A game for most of it, both goalies were weak, and Dallas can even expect better goaltending. OTT will steal a game in a series. Outright steal. he was average last night. If the main Dallas scorers start getting on board it could be trouble. Hintz and Robertson have been awful and they're better players than this. Hintz feeling so little confidence in his game he dumped in a puck when he had a one on one chance shorthanded. Any other year Hintz is taking that play to the house and he' good at it.

My worry expressed before series is Skinner creating confidence for the Dallas Stars.