Post-Game Talk: Dallas Does Skinner

[Canovin]

That's why if they don't win this year it is over. Maybe a small chance next year. (doubtful)

TBH I thought we dominated the game. I'm confident in the group and the Stars don't look that good.

We need to not shoot ourself in the foot and we will be ok.

Not really. If McDavid is indeed past his "prime", the Oilers can still win the cup with another elite player.

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[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

No, it's you hoping for it, which is bad and dumb.

How many points do you think McDavid has through 12 games this years?

No he's fading a bit compared to 2022-2023. And no i'm not hoping for it, but thanks for putting words in my mouth and telling me what i'm thinking.

Like I said i thought Mcdavid had a really good game last night. The others posters summed up well that he just doesn't have the consistency or scoring ability he once had.
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BTW Jimmy you said the same thing which makes you a hypocrite. Stop targeting my posts. You really get off on the confrontation eh?

 

[Canovin]

You mean the 2nd one where he gets beat over the shoulder from not that far out unscreened? Yeah that's just too tough. I give him the breakaway, but Stu is Stu, and Stu is not good enough.

The last goal on Stuart was going wide until Seguin tip it in from behind Stuart. How's any goalie supposed to save that?

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Not really. If McDavid is indeed past his "prime", the Oilers can still win the cup with another elite player.

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I'm not worried about Davo's play in terms of winning a cup. When I talk regression it is minor. I am worried about the age of Nuge, Kane, Ekholm, Hyman and the fact we gave up on Broberg and Holloway.

Of course we can still win, I just don't believe they will be able to. After next year my money sure won't be on EDM.

 

[Ibanez]

A tough night but the Oilers will bring their "A" game on Friday.

Is Pickard still listed as "day to day?"

At this point it feels like year to year with how cagey Edmonton is being

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

^^ Leon is also a big boy and i don't know what age he will start to fall off a bit? 34 ish

 

[iCanada]

The two Seguin goals shouldn't be on Stuart. But the rest Stuart could have had if he played better,

He could have had those too, though.

Idk, you don't expect all of them. But you have to have atleast two of them when you look at the body of work of the rest of the game.

And you know... With Skinner's .815 sv% last night, that's his 4th start this post season with a save percentage more than 3 standard deviations worse than the average performance of emergency back up goaltenders in the NHL all time, which is .855.

Oh yeah, he's only played 6 games.

In contrast - last night at .889 was Otter's 4th time in this post season posting a save percentage below .900, and the Stars lost the previous 3. All 4 were above .880.

 

[iCanada]

The last goal on Stuart was going wide until Seguin tip it in from behind Stuart. How's any goalie supposed to save that?

He could have caught it before it got past his shoulder.

 

[McBigYak]

The last goal on Stuart was going wide until Seguin tip it in from behind Stuart. How's any goalie supposed to save that?

Yep. Anyone blaming Skinner for that 5th goal is absolutely out to lunch. No NHL goaltender saves that.

He challenges the shooter, the shooter sends the puck wide, and it is an unbelievable tip into the net.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

No he's fading a bit compared to 2022-2023. And no i'm not hoping for it, but thanks for putting words in my mouth and telling me what i'm thinking.

Like I said i thought Mcdavid had a really good game last night. The others posters summed up well that he just doesn't have the consistency or scoring ability he once had.
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BTW Jimmy you said the same thing which makes you a hypocrite. Stop targeting my posts. You really get off on the confrontation eh?

I did not, I have sarcastically made the statement because you guys are weird for hoping he's becoming average. Since you didn't bother to look it up, McDavid has 19 points through 12 games these playoffs. 1.58 pts per game.

Unless he's supposed to put up 24 to 30 points in that same time, I suggest he's still be pretty f***ing great.

He's clearly not 100%, neither is Leon, and yet still putting up.

Stop hoping that McDavid is fading and start just facing reality.

 

[Fishy McScales]

I think both Connor and Leon are trying to play a more complete game, eliminating floating and doing fewer flybys etc, and that means fewer chances to score points and less energy when the chances come.

This doesn't mean they're some defensive gurus now, nor that they've stopped scoring, but that shift in attention (that other greats have made too in the past) comes at a cost of video-game points numbers.

I don't think it means they're past their prime, just that they're different players. That said, they're both fast approaching 30 so those prime years will be over before you know it regardless.

The time is now.

 

[frag2]

A tough night but the Oilers will bring their "A" game on Friday.

Is Pickard still listed as "day to day?"

There was a tweet saying Pickard is done for the year. Its Skinner or bust basically

 

[foshizzle]

Idk i think that is an excuse. Fading dose not mean he's not elite. It means he isn't what he once was.

i believe that is also false.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

He could have had those too, though.

Idk, you don't expect all of them. But you have to have atleast two of them when you look at the body of work of the rest of the game.

And you know... With Skinner's .815 sv% last night, that's his 4th start this post season with a save percentage more than 3 standard deviations worse than the average performance of emergency back up goaltenders in the NHL all time, which is .855.

Oh yeah, he's only played 6 games.

In contrast - last night at .889 was Otter's 4th time in this post season posting a save percentage below .900, and the Stars lost the previous 3. All 4 were above .880.

I thought SKinner played "ok"

He played as expected I guess? Kept the team in the game while allowing a few bad goals. We have seen him play worse that is for sure.


At the end of the day he just does not put up the numbers or get the wins.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The last goal on Stuart was going wide until Seguin tip it in from behind Stuart. How's any goalie supposed to save that?

I guess, don't let the puck get past you, like a goalie does. Eitherway, he was once again not good enough in a loss. It's pretty clear. The team needs him to only slightly better than "giving the game away" and they're more than fine, which is kind of amazing.

 

[McBigYak]

He could have caught it before it got past his shoulder.

The only way he would have been able to stop that puck with his shoulder (it went 2 feet wide of the net before it was tipped in) is if he was severely out of position on the initial shot.

He was bad. But at some point you just have to give credit to an unreal tip.

 

[frag2]

4 goals on 9 shots is what decided the game. Homegrown, Edmontonian and probably likeable around the locker room. I wish Stuart was better, but he loses sight of the puck too much.

Team is screwed regardless of whether Skinner sees the puck or not. In games 1-3, theres like a 40% chance the shot becomes a GA

 

[bobber]

Can't blame Skinner totally for the loss. Players shot themselves in the foot in front of him. On one goal an Oiler decided to play goal and completely screened Skinner doing Dallas a huge favour. There certainly was some embellishments on the high sticks but the refs bought it. Penalty kill was off for sure. This series will be a grind. Best team defense will tell the tale.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Can't blame Skinner totally for the loss. Players shot themselves in the foot in front of him. On one goal an Oiler decided to play goal and completely screened Skinner doing Dallas a huge favour. There certainly was some embellishments on the high sticks but the refs bought it. Penalty kill was off for sure. This series will be a grind. Best team defense will tell the tale.

Totally, but to say that as if it absolves him of his major contribution to it serves no purpose.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

i believe that is also false.

Well like other posters have said Mcdavid's shot has went to crap and he can't score to save his life. So I will stick with the opinion that he has regressed a little and we have already seen his peak.

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I did not, I have sarcastically made the statement because you guys are weird for hoping he's becoming average. Since you didn't bother to look it up, McDavid has 19 points through 12 games these playoffs. 1.58 pts per game.

Unless he's supposed to put up 24 to 30 points in that same time, I suggest he's still be pretty f***ing great.

He's clearly not 100%, neither is Leon, and yet still putting up.

Stop hoping that McDavid is fading and start just facing reality.

Points are not the be all end all. He has what 3 goals?

I said he played great last night. We are not in any word hoping for Mcdavid to suck!

I hope he takes over the series and we move on.......

 

[iCanada]

The only way he would have been able to stop that puck with his shoulder (it went 2 feet wide of the net before it was tipped in) is if he was severely out of position on the initial shot.

He was bad. But at some point you just have to give credit to an unreal tip.

Our Goaltender can't catch a pick within 2 ft of his shoulder?! And this is a defense of him? The guy with arms that are 40" long?

 

[MoontoScott]

There was a tweet saying Pickard is done for the year. Its Skinner or bust basically

Thanks for cheering me up

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Points are not the be all end all. He has what 3 goals?

I said he played great last night. We are not in any word hoping for Mcdavid to suck!

I hope he takes over the series and we move on.......

Good points, because points don't equal goals, they're just random things that happen.

I still can't figure out why some are hoping for McDavid's demise, but I know why you do lol, same reason for Bouchard (something something the CanSucks)


McDavid and Draisaitl have 19 points through 12 games, again 1.58 pts per game

Rantanen has 20 points through 14 games, incredible dominance at ....1.43 pts per game, legendary.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Appreciate the sentiment but I can't agree. There have been countless Oiler games where shit like that goes unpenalized because this is a biased, corrupt league. Case in point: Pickard getting bodychecked in his crease by L.A in game four and Kane getting crosschecked into the net a few minutes later. No penalties on either. Or Hertl flopping intentionally on Pickard's knees. No call. We're up four goalie interference calls to none in the playoffs and yet we're the ones with an injured goalie.

The, 'those penalties will always be called' statement is the biggest fallacy in hockey. The rights holding media loves to push it but it is factually untrue. Point out to me one time where the Oilers were down by two and getting dominated going into the third period and were handed three straight powerplays like that. Doesn't happen.

And remember the, 'refs dont call penalties in Oiler games either way because the Oiler powerplay is so good' argument? Let's see if that holds true now that Dallas is humming along. I guarantee it will not. Calling it now: this series will have the most powerplays of any in this year's playoffs.

Those are not high sticks to the face, which are rarely not called unless not seen