Post-Game Talk: Dallas Does Skinner

[UHHHH SON]

This is not on Skinner, this is on the whole team. A goalie isn't Cinderella two nights in a row with 2 SO and then becomes real and let's 5 in the next one.

This is on the whole team. That third period is one of the worst I ever seen. Get your shit together and play som descent PK for god sake. This is the NHL playoffs not amateur hockey i Åmål, Sweden!

Our backup is 6-0, Skinner is 2-4.

Skinner’s effort on the forth goal was amateur level in Sweden.

 

[fresh meat]

And you f***ing Stuart fans have the audacity to get mad that fans criticize 74?
Reaching decade levels of old ass goalies garbage goaltending in year 2025 is crazy!

Ohhh, so that’s why Hrudey is always defending Skinner

 

[MessierThanThou]

True… except any goalie or goalie coach of any repute wouldn’t be looking at it across a 6-game sample.

How is this for a sample size?



Name me one goalie listed other than Stu who didn't play when save percentages were far lower than they are today.

 

[Drivesaitl]

This game was pretty much a reversal of what we saw in game 1 of the Vegas series. We both thought it would be difficult for Vegas to recover from losing that game. Not sure I’m ready to write the Oilers off after one game but the doubts have to be there now and as you’ve pointed out there is no Pickard to save them this time. I don’t think the Oilers have the balls to throw Rodrigues in there, they didn’t even bother to pull Skinner tonight. So, that means they’re stuck with Stu and the knowledge that any puck headed towards their net could go in at any time if it doesn’t hit him. Here’s to hoping they can put 1 more Skinner debacle behind them. I just don’t know where the spark of hope comes from this time without Pickard being available.

Its a terrible way to loose because not only you down one game that you otherwise win but it feeds the opponent confidence going forward. Multiple Stars that scored were having trouble potting. Now they're not.

I'd compared it to the 97 series against the stars. The Oilers got the huge late come from behind 3 goals to tie stars and then W in OT (I was there, it was magnificent) and Stars had 4 more games to figure it out but that loss was just such a crusher.

Oilers are really good at rebounding but its just ridiculous how many times Skinner requires them to.

The Oilers didn't pull Skinner because they know they have to go with him. Hopefully Pickard is healthy soon.

 

[McFlyingV]

Penalties and Skinner let them back in this game, albeit the PKers aren't without fault. Janmark moved out of the way of the 2nd goal, but even with that in mind every NHL goalie should have had that one even if they didn't see it, Skinner was out of position. 3rd goal whatever, great shot. 4th goal Skinner throws himself out of position and has an eternity to get back in position and doesn't. That all changed the outcome of this game, but I'm fairly confident if Skinner saves that Heiskanen muffin that they don't implode like that. Up until that point the PK was playing flawlessly and Dallas could barely even gain zone entry through the first 1.5 PP's.

Not overly worried. Team showed they can out skate, and exploit the Dallas D when their top pairing isn't on the ice. Couple posts go our way and we're going into the 3rd up 5-1 and this one is likely over. Overpassed the puck tonight as well on quality looks, and flubbed or missed the net on a couple others. Easily could have had 4 or 5 tonight and Oettinger is not the reason why they didn't.

Hoping Ekholm's back next game. Stetcher, albeit not bad tonight, does look like the weak link to the Dallas forecheck. Every other defender had very little difficulty retrieving and breaking the puck out. He didn't exactly struggle much either, but he had some moments where he got pushed off pucks.

Run it back on Friday and we should be able to come home with a split, which is really what the goal should have been.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

And you f***ing Stuart fans have the audacity to get mad that fans criticize 74?
Reaching decade levels of old ass goalies garbage goaltending in year 2025 is crazy!

The sad part is, the goalies on that list aside from Skinner played in an era where .880 goaltending was decent.

 

[Drivesaitl]

How is this for a sample size?



Name me one goalie listed other than Stu who didn't play when save percentages were far lower than they are today.

The graphic is perfectly framed with the Stars behind the net laughing at Skinner. Its just too much.

Pretty soon players on ice will be chanting "Skinner"

 

[Drivesaitl]

The sad part is, the goalies on that list aside from Skinner played in an era where .880 goaltending was decent.

Without the supersized padding goalies have now.

 

[M Ace]

I’m 40. Sure I’m not an athlete. But the body just starts to wear down. It’s a fact and there is no shame.

Let him sit and put him back in later

Question is ? RV or skinner replacing?

I am nearing 50 and can confirm that. Even Zlatan Ibrahimovic has it hard to get out of bed every morning because of back pain. He has had that since he was 40.......

 

[McAsuno]

How is this for a sample size?



Name me one goalie listed other than Stu who didn't play when save percentages were far lower than they are today.

74 is so bad that even Dan Cloutier (who was pretty bad in his own right) wasn't bad enough to make that list. Incredible!

That tweet alone should be enough to shut the f***ing 74 brigade down but they'll find some other random BS on why its never his fault for being apart of a loss.

 

[bucks_oil]

Even in general this season Stuart has been objectively poor, and that's a fact.
He's 2-3 in the playoffs, that's a fact.
He got scored 4 goals on 9 shots in the 3rd, that's a fact.

Stuart Skinner has been a poor goalie this season whether its regular or playoffs, and that too is a fact.

I don’t disagree with that. He’s had a very rough season.

My issue is the lack of objectivity on individual goals/individual events.

The huge arguments I found myself in were trying to explain what (from goalies perspective) was happening on a specific goal… meanwhile the masses were lighting torches based on what had happened last game or the week before.

Like I get it, as a fan it’s frustrating… but his frustrating season has eliminated any possibility of discussing the circumstance of any given single goal. Objectivity has gone out the window…. Many of you have even admitted “he hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt”. So we aren’t able to talk in a balanced way anymore… That’s my point.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

The graphic is perfectly framed with the Stars behind the net laughing at Skinner. Its just too much.

Pretty soon players on ice will be chanting "Skinner"

If they start doing that, beat the f*** out of them. Put them in the hospital or the morgue.

Skinner sucks but he's still an Oiler, we can shit on him but f*** everyone else.

 

[McAsuno]

The sad part is, the goalies on that list aside from Skinner played in an era where .880 goaltending was decent.

Where goaltending equipment was inferior to now along with on ice competition from both forwards and defense.
Skinner would probably get lit up 8+ goals on an average basis back in the day also. What a trainwreck of a goalie.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If they start doing that, beat the f*** out of them. Put them in the hospital or the morgue.

Skinner sucks but he's still an Oiler, we can shit on him but f*** everyone else.

I was talking about our own D.

No' I'm jk. Just funny to say that because they can't. But watch Nurse looking at Skinner after the winning goal.

 

[Vapaatunnus]

The last one was a high sticking call with no context where Kane's stick was literally at duchenes waist.

Oh you mean this one, I marked the blade for you.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don’t disagree with that. He’s had a very rough season.

My issue is the lack of objectivity on individual goals/individual events.

The huge arguments I found myself in were trying to explain what (from goalies perspective) was happening on a specific goal… meanwhile the masses were lighting torches based on what had happened last game or the week before.

Like I get it, as a fan it’s frustrating… but his frustrating season has eliminated any possibility of discussing the circumstance of any given single goal. Objectivity has gone out the window…. Many of you have even admitted “he hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt”. So we aren’t able to talk in a balanced way anymore… That’s my point.

I think the main point is none of us fans should even have to be talking about Skinner right now, or a year ago, or....

The problem should've been solved by now.

We're just completely fed up with it by now. Sure that loses objectivity. But no other contending org would go with this goalie for so long. Theres just no reason for it.

 

[bucks_oil]

How is this for a sample size?



Name me one goalie listed other than Stu who didn't play when save percentages were far lower than they are today.

What strawman am I being made to argue now? That Skinner is a good playoff goalie? I don’t think I’ve ever said or represented that.

I just said that GSAA is a terrible stat, doesn’t gain any value until you’ve got huge n-size…
So you are better off analyzing tape.

You posted SPCT… which I actually prefer to GSAA, since it doesn’t overlay flawed valuations of given shots… just treats them all the same.

But anyway… you are off topic. Don’t strawman me.

 

[McAsuno]

I don’t disagree with that. He’s had a very rough season.

My issue is the lack of objectivity on individual goals/individual events.

The huge arguments I found myself in were trying to explain what (from goalies perspective) was happening on a specific goal… meanwhile the masses were lighting torches based on what had happened last game or the week before.

Like I get it, as a fan it’s frustrating… but his frustrating season has eliminated any possibility of discussing the circumstance of any given single goal. Objectivity has gone out the window…. Many of you have even admitted “he hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt”. So we aren’t able to talk in a balanced way anymore… That’s my point.

Trust me, I want nothing more for Stu to make me eat my words and win the stanley cup on this team as the guy in net, but he's shown way too much more harm than good for me to even have a glimmer of hope or optimism that he's the guy to count on for it.

He's too Jekyll and Hyde for me to have any confidence in. I'll continue to give him props if he plays well, but if he plays like shit, I have no issue criticizing him or seeing any other posters do the exact same.

Play well? I'll praise the f*** out of you.
Play like shit consistently? Gtfo.
Simple.
There's a reason why the leafs core gets their criticism, and that's because they don't get it done when it matters. The same applies to 74 here. Either do your job that you get paid for or simply gtfo for somebody else who will do it.

 

[bucks_oil]

I think the main point is none of us fans should even have to be talking about Skinner right now, or a year ago, or....

The problem should've been solved by now.

We're just completely fed up with it by now. Sure that loses objectivity. But no other contending org would go with this goalie for so long. Theres just no reason for it.

Agree with that.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

We played a very good game which makes the loss even more frustrating..

We looked way better than Dallas. Mcdavid was flying. Let's get him them game 2.

 

[McAsuno]

I think the main point is none of us fans should even have to be talking about Skinner right now, or a year ago, or....

The problem should've been solved by now.

We're just completely fed up with it by now. Sure that loses objectivity. But no other contending org would go with this goalie for so long. Theres just no reason for it.

It's tiresome watching Skinner go from a .900 to a .865 to a .754. Carousel, roller coaster, etc. Whatever the f*** you name it.

 

[BeanBurrito]

Shhhhhkina was an 0.884 and 3.05GAA after his 2 shutouts LMAO

I don't know what he is now, but it is less than that

If only we could have a goalie with an .890 save percentage.

 

[MikeS24]

Dallas pretty much played their worst game but showed up for all of 5 minutes. We played our best game outside those final 5 minutes. That’s going to be a problem.

I agree. If the refs call it mainly one way again, it will be an issue bc our goalie sucks on top

Funny how that team is the most penalized, but once again, get more pps

The refs stopped calling shit when we were up 3-1. Blatant calls missed before giving Dallas their pp to end the period

It never ends. How the hell is Edmonton on the lower end in 12/13 games

Fuk these old vet refs man. Why can't one of them just take a nice puck to the noggin. Sleep that concussion off for the remainder of the playoffs. Trash

 

[Dirk Dangler]

True… except any goalie or goalie coach of any repute wouldn’t be looking at it across a 6-game sample. It’s hogwash until the numbers wash out with increased n-size…

And anyway, over a sample size that small, why trust an amalgam of ~180 transposed datapoints when you could just go back and look at the tape of the 16-20 goals that actually went in and see what could (or couldn’t) have been done better….

That’s a far more productive and informative exercise

Use the whole season as a sample size. It doesn’t get better.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

J Skinner for Frederic is an obvious choice. The guy had a clear shot at the net from 12 feet out and missed the puck. He was one of the worst tonight.

It's a fantasy to think Skinner is even sniffing the lineup imo. We don't need more production, we need sustained pace and forecheck through four lines.

Our transitions from defense to forecheck to puck retrieval have been unbelievable. We have been smothering good teams. Bowman brought in 2 puck movers and 3 forecheckers and it made Skinner the roundest of pegs -- blame Jackson.

Every time Frederic dumps and hits their D count it +1. Hyman, Kane, Podz and Frederic have created four lines that bank +1's and it's made the forecheck better imo