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McAsuno said:
Where goaltending equipment was inferior to now along with on ice competition from both forwards and defense.
Skinner would probably get lit up 8+ goals on an average basis back in the day also. What a trainwreck of a goalie.
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He wouldn’t even have been playing. That equipment was heavy and you needed to move… it favored smaller guys with higher strength/weight ratios… or taller skinny guys who were super nimble (again strength/weight).

Skinner is neither… he’s a huge guy with rote mechanics and some degree of tactical proficiency. Guys like him are ONLY able to play because of the equipment.
 
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bucks_oil said:
I don’t disagree with that. He’s had a very rough season.

My issue is the lack of objectivity on individual goals/individual events.

The huge arguments I found myself in were trying to explain what (from goalies perspective) was happening on a specific goal… meanwhile the masses were lighting torches based on what had happened last game or the week before.

Like I get it, as a fan it’s frustrating… but his frustrating season has eliminated any possibility of discussing the circumstance of any given single goal. Objectivity has gone out the window…. Many of you have even admitted “he hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt”. So we aren’t able to talk in a balanced way anymore… That’s my point.
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So as someone who started this season defending Skinner and ended the year shitting on him, these are my observations:

  • Skinner's lack of puck tracking ability is frightening when he is off. He lacks basically, any awareness of where the play is heading and as a result has to scramble, often.
  • Skinner's mobility is lackluster which makes him (as a big goalie) look like Optimus Prime in there. It hurts him on the PK a lot and on basically any cross-crease chance. When he's good, his positioning makes up for a lot of his mobility.
  • Skinner's basics seem to go out the window when he struggles. Positioning, movement, anticipation, puck handling, awareness, all gone.
  • When Skinner plays bad it affects the team. We've seen this countless times. They don't believe in him. They shouldn't let it affect their play but it does.
  • When Skinner is good he's quiet. Uneventful. He's a very positionally sound goalie so when he's feeling it the puck sticks to him like velcro. As soon as you see him popping rebounds out it's trouble.
  • Skinner's absolute top end, the best he can be, is actually very good. Not MVP or AS level but similar to what prime Binnington or Osgood could provide which is a measure better than the top end of Pickard. However, his bad games are not even passable at an ECHL level.
 
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McAsuno said:


And you f***ing Stuart fans have the audacity to get mad that fans criticize 74?
Reaching decade levels of old ass goalies garbage goaltending in year 2025 is crazy!
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Give it a couple more games if pickard is not back


Stu will be gunning for that #1 title
 
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bucks_oil said:
He wouldn’t even have been playing. That equipment was heavy and you needed to move… it favored smaller guys with higher strength/weight ratios… or taller skinny guys who were super nimble (again strength/weight).

Skinner is neither… he’s a huge guy with rote mechanics and some degree of tactical proficiency. Guys like him are ONLY able to play because of the equipment.
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So what you're saying is Stu Skinner is a equipment fraud merchant :naughty:
 
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OfCorsiDid said:
So as someone who started this season defending Skinner and ended the year shitting on him, these are my observations:

  • Skinner's lack of puck tracking ability is frightening when he is off. He lacks basically, any awareness of where the play is heading and as a result has to scramble, often.
  • Skinner's mobility is lackluster which makes him (as a big goalie) look like Optimus Prime in there. It hurts him on the PK a lot and on basically any cross-crease chance. When he's good, his positioning makes up for a lot of his mobility.
  • Skinner's basics seem to go out the window when he struggles. Positioning, movement, anticipation, puck handling, awareness, all gone.
  • When Skinner plays bad it affects the team. We've seen this countless times. They don't believe in him. They shouldn't let it affect their play but it does.
  • When Skinner is good he's quiet. Uneventful. He's a very positionally sound goalie so when he's feeling it the puck sticks to him like velcro. As soon as you see him popping rebounds out it's trouble.
  • Skinner's absolute top end, the best he can be, is actually very good. Not MVP or AS level but similar to what prime Binnington or Osgood could provide which is a measure better than the top end of Pickard. However, his bad games are not even passable at an ECHL level.
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Solid analysis… but I wouldn’t have included Binner… he’s got more compete in his pinky than Skinner has in his body
 
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Dirk Dangler said:
I’ve watched enough tape on skinner to know he’s been bad. All season.
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NHL Goalie Advanced Stats 2024-2025

Bottom of the list in both regular and playoffs this season.
Of course, a lot of blame lies with the dumb ass management on refusing to look for an upgrade in net.
That being said, Stu's shit even with his b2b shutouts against VGK. Can he redeem himself in G2 on Friday? I sure f***ing hope so.
 
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Vapaatunnus said:
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Oh you mean this one, I marked the blade for you.
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So this kinda has nothing to do with that, but like where's the call on Hintz sitting on McDavid like 10 seconds before this?

I get its whataboutism, but we dog walked the Stars for 40 minutes and somehow they came out of the first 10 minutes of the 3rd with 3 consecutive PPs. How does that happen? We knew there was missed calls against the Stars, we saw em. Why do they get 3 PPs but we get nothing?

That's my problem with the officiating. One team gets one version of the book, we get another. If I was in OEG I'd dedicate a budget for intimidating referees because at this point you're not getting a fair shake.
 
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McAsuno said:
74 is so bad that even Dan Cloutier (who was pretty bad in his own right) wasn't bad enough to make that list. Incredible!

That tweet alone should be enough to shut the f***ing 74 brigade down but they'll find some other random BS on why its never his fault for being apart of a loss.
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and the goalie equipment was much smaller back in the day

You have to be mindnumingly terrible to make this list. What drugs have the Edmonton management been on for two years? 24/7 shrooms
 
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TB12 said:
I really look forward to hearing Spec, Rishaug, Rob Brown and the rest of the local idiots fondling Moustache's balls to try and gaslight me into thinking it wasn't Stu's fault. The glazing this walrus in net gets in this town is in-fu**ing-sane.
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“ItS nOt HiS fAuLt”

Just remove Skinners name bar and replace it with that.
 
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OfCorsiDid said:
So this kinda has nothing to do with that, but like where's the call on Hintz sitting on McDavid like 10 seconds before this?

I get its whataboutism, but we dog walked the Stars for 40 minutes and somehow they came out of the first 10 minutes of the 3rd with 3 consecutive PPs. How does that happen? We knew there was missed calls against the Stars, we saw em. Why do they get 3 PPs but we get nothing?

That's my problem with the officiating. One team gets one version of the book, we get another. If I was in OEG I'd dedicate a budget for intimidating referees because at this point you're not getting a fair shake.
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Officiating will always be shit, I don't see the point of complaining about it anymore. It's been a league wide problem that gets worse and worse year after year. The league won't do anything about it. Anything to help generate their betting ads and revenues.

But hey, Wes McCauley will get his yearly main spotlight with his mic.
Nothing new with this league.
 
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bucks_oil said:
True… except any goalie or goalie coach of any repute wouldn’t be looking at it across a 6-game sample. It’s hogwash until the numbers wash out with increased n-size…

And anyway, over a sample size that small, why trust an amalgam of ~180 transposed datapoints when you could just go back and look at the tape of the 16-20 goals that actually went in and see what could (or couldn’t) have been done better….

That’s a far more productive and informative exercise
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That’s fair point.

For Skinner- his whole playoff career has been poor
 
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MikeS24 said:
and the goalie equipment was much smaller back in the day

You have to be mindnumingly terrible to make this list. What drugs have the Edmonton management been on for two years? 24/7 shrooms
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Imagine allowing a goalie that terrible in the postseason to make it to 40 GAMES for your franchise?

Think about that...not one franchise that has been good enough to have the same goaltender play 40 postseason games had a single goalie that bad in their net. These stats are from the 80s, all of these guys were good for their era. Can you imagine how much worse Stu's stats would look when adjusted?

It isn't hyperbole anymore to say that McDrai have at least one Stanley Cup with a better goalie than Stu last postseason or the postseason before. Pickard was proving exactly that...
 
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bucks_oil said:
Solid analysis… but I wouldn’t have included Binner… he’s got more compete in his pinky than Skinner has in his body
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It's not a #DAWG analysis lol. I'm just comparing skills and play apples to apples. Binnington plays actually very similar to Skinner. His inconsistencies and issues are actually relatively close.

The difference is Binnington has the dawg in him that allows him to elevate in big moments. Skinner doesn't have that. His play doesn't change regardless of situation. Which is probably due to his own mental way of dealing with things.

What do I mean by that? Well, he's a guy that attempts to stay focused through staying loose. So his whole mental prep is basically to treat each game no different than a practice or any other event on ice. It's actually a pretty successful technique for some guys, MAF and Vasy being the guys that perfected it. But what that means is mentally, he's approaching each game the same, which works well if you're good. Less if you're not.
 
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A tough night but I think the boys will win on Friday evening.

Most nights, you will only win with Skinner if you play almost flawless hockey. A tough road but they will do it next game.

Sooner or later they were going to lose one. Accept it and move on. I still pick them to win the series.
 
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