Dale Weise

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He had some good things to say about DD as well and said if he had to choose one center on the Habs to play with it would be him. Hopefully that line can keep it up all season long.

Great stuff...Weise sounds very down-to-earth/grounded...it really sounds like that in interviews.

Not enough money to sign Weise?
Trade Eller for a cheaper LEFT-WINGER (a good one but cheaper).

I still think 5 yrs X 2.5mil/year is fair, no? (or maybe it will be 2.75mil/year to 3mil/year X 5yrs?).

Eller for another Weise, but a left-wing version of Weise.
(I'm not the GM, I don't get paid the big bucks to find this kind of player!;)).


Weise is a huge playoff warrior (and grew up a HAB fan...bonus!). We need more playoff warriors, not less. (unless some of you aren't interested in winning CUP #25!).
 

Teufelsdreck

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Weise is an important Hab who has a very good chance of scoring 20+ goals this season. Instead of trading him I'd add another player of his ilk.
 

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....and Nilan backed up Weise's comments with his analysis......same system but better executed with better players....guess Therrien is a part time hypnotist and has everyone that counts when it comes to credible opinions under his spell.....good god already!! :laugh::laugh:

Everyone is lying....it's a conspiracy!!...:laugh:

Yeah, I'm sorry, but no, its not "the same system, just better execution with better players".

Who changed on the roster from the 2015 training camp to the 2016 training camp?
Condon replaced Tokarski...I dont think changing our backup goaltender made our system better.
The D corps is the same (the ones responsible for the breakout), so that cant be the addition of better players making our system execute better.
No new faces on the Gally-Plek-Patch line
One new face on the Flash-Davey-Weise line
One new face on the Eller-Chucky-Semin/DSP line
Completely revamped fourth line of Byron-Mitchell-Flynn

Did changing our fourth line really make our lineup "so much more talented" that we can execute the system "so much better"? Was adding Semin the reason why? I doubt it considering he's been scratched. The numbers show theres significantly less "take da safe play" being done.
 

Baruch

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Yeah, I'm sorry, but no, its not "the same system, just better execution with better players".

Who changed on the roster from the 2015 training camp to the 2016 training camp?
Condon replaced Tokarski...I dont think changing our backup goaltender made our system better.
The D corps is the same (the ones responsible for the breakout), so that cant be the addition of better players making our system execute better.
No new faces on the Gally-Plek-Patch line
One new face on the Flash-Davey-Weise line
One new face on the Eller-Chucky-Semin/DSP line
Completely revamped fourth line of Byron-Mitchell-Flynn

Did changing our fourth line really make our lineup "so much more talented" that we can execute the system "so much better"? Was adding Semin the reason why? I doubt it considering he's been scratched. The numbers show theres significantly less "take da safe play" being done.

Two words: Jeff Petry.
He puts every defensemen in the correct chair.
 

Kriss E

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Two words: Jeff Petry.
He puts every defensemen in the correct chair.

Right, Jeff Petry, the #3 Dman, is the reason the whole team plays better..
Last year people couldn't even admit Price was the main reason we won so much, but now, Jeff Petry is supposed to be the reason why the whole team plays better.

Jeff Petry is the reason why we've had PK and Markov each rush up to be part of a 2 vs 1.

The team plays differently. It's clear as day.
 

Baruch

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I forgot about Petry being a deadline addition lol

Yup I really think this was the most important trade Bergevin made to this date. But that is discussion for another topic^^.

I do think the system is comparable to last year, DEFENSIVELY. However, the transition/offense is different. Now, that can either be specific changes made by the coaching staff, OR players understanding what the coaches want better as they have had a couple years to implement Da System.
 

Baruch

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Right, Jeff Petry, the #3 Dman, is the reason the whole team plays better..
Last year people couldn't even admit Price was the main reason we won so much, but now, Jeff Petry is supposed to be the reason why the whole team plays better.

Jeff Petry is the reason why we've had PK and Markov each rush up to be part of a 2 vs 1.

The team plays differently. It's clear as day.

I obviously meant that Petry provides a stability throughout the defensive core that gives us an advantage on the ice compared to last year. Last year we started with Emelin-Subban and Markov-Gilbert as our top 4. The result being some fans wanting to dump Emelin for (almost) nothing and a hilarious response by Markov on his thoughts on playing with Gilbo.

I do think the system is slightly different (as I've said in my last post), and I'm very happy for it. Trust me, my family is as well, I was pestering them with comments about needing more possession instead of the dump&chase and counterattack approaches we had the past couple of years.

I just hope we have another gear to turn on when the regular season's end creep around.

(Sorry for the double post)
 

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Right, Jeff Petry, the #3 Dman, is the reason the whole team plays better..
Last year people couldn't even admit Price was the main reason we won so much, but now, Jeff Petry is supposed to be the reason why the whole team plays better.

Jeff Petry is the reason why we've had PK and Markov each rush up to be part of a 2 vs 1.

The team plays differently. It's clear as day.

You can't ignore the addition of Mitchell either, and to lesser, but only slightly lesser extents DSP, Flynn and Byron too.

Last year's opening night roster included Brandon Prust, P.A. Parenteau, Rene Bourque, Manny Malhotra, and Mike Weaver. Five guys with very questionable speed and transition ability. We are just a much faster team now, and that allows for not only better break-outs, but your defensemen to join the rush as well, as they don't have to worry about P.A. Parenteau or Brandon Prust covering for them.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that better players leads to a different style of play, intentionally or not.
 

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I obviously meant that Petry provides a stability throughout the defensive core that gives us an advantage on the ice compared to last year. Last year we started with Emelin-Subban and Markov-Gilbert as our top 4. The result being some fans wanting to dump Emelin for (almost) nothing and a hilarious response by Markov on his thoughts on playing with Gilbo.

I do think the system is slightly different (as I've said in my last post), and I'm very happy for it. Trust me, my family is as well, I was pestering them with comments about needing more possession instead of the dump&chase and counterattack approaches we had the past couple of years.

I just hope we have another gear to turn on when the regular season's end creep around.

(Sorry for the double post)

Yes, Petry definitely helps and solidifies our top 4. No question about it, he's a key player for us. He's what we wanted Spacek to be when we had Markov-Hamrlik. Unfortunately Markov was always injured so Spacek played in a spot he couldn't really handle.

But as you said, we play a different game. It's way more aimed towards puck possession.
 

Baruch

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Yes, Petry definitely helps and solidifies our top 4. No question about it, he's a key player for us. He's what we wanted Spacek to be when we had Markov-Hamrlik. Unfortunately Markov was always injured so Spacek played in a spot he couldn't really handle.

But as you said, we play a different game. It's way more aimed towards puck possession.

And a cause for a lot of Hockey-related joy :laugh:
I think that can be seen by the general mood on this board, whether the nay-sayers want to admit it or not.
Not only is our start historically our best one, but also the way we play has us (me at least), dreaming at night at what this season can give us. We're aware that this year MAY be special.
 

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You can't ignore the addition of Mitchell either, and to lesser, but only slightly lesser extents DSP, Flynn and Byron too.

Last year's opening night roster included Brandon Prust, P.A. Parenteau, Rene Bourque, Manny Malhotra, and Mike Weaver. Five guys with very questionable speed and transition ability. We are just a much faster team now, and that allows for not only better break-outs, but your defensemen to join the rush as well, as they don't have to worry about P.A. Parenteau or Brandon Prust covering for them.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that better players leads to a different style of play, intentionally or not.

I'm not disagreeing with that, we have an improved roster. You can say it's the roster, the coaches, the water, the stars in the sky, that's a completely different discussion. Bottom line is we're playing differently.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with that, we have an improved roster. You can say it's the roster, the coaches, the water, the stars in the sky, that's a completely different discussion. Bottom line is we're playing differently.

It's quite curious so many are manipulating the team's current success into a narrative that speciously and automatically negates any former criticism of Therrien.

Let's just all agree that after the games so far, this is the best version of the team we've seen, in every sense, for freakin' ages. Including MT. Really, is anyone here actually criticising him?

How about a universal moratorium on comments that criticize other posters based on comments from a season ago? Lol, unless necessitated by an, "I never said that!" quotation.
 

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Weise is an important Hab who has a very good chance of scoring 20+ goals this season. Instead of trading him I'd add another player of his ilk.

So so true.

Just think about all the good times in the past few years. Weise was integral and he looks to be continuing that. Gotta keep a good group together particularly when the guy is actually talented, doesn't complain and extremely versatile. Plus, the flair. Pretty sure he's in the bruins top 3 most hated. That says something.

I think 2.5m x 5 is fair for both parties. I would be very surprised if they had trouble negotiating.
 

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Reasons we're better this year...imo:

<Weise has been amazing since day 1 (he joined our Habs...'cause I love our playoff warriors), and amazing for our top 9 depth and now has even more chemistry (with DD and Fleischmann).
<Petry...I was so very relieved when he was signed to that 5 yr contract...huge signing...huge!! (less pressure on PK Subban).
<Condon could give us an extra 10-12 (or more victories) VS Tokarski...that's huge...huge!! (major home advantage for playoffs). I remember last season...Bergevin said Condon was NHL ready. He probably already knew something...he should have given him a 3 yr contract before the season started (same with Weise...these GMs/scouts/coaches are pros...they have to project ahead of time so that we keep getting good contracts...this way we have more room to pick up players at the deadline or more room to pick up UFAs...).
<Fleischmann could be the bargain of the season...really good player...really good. I hope he's good in playoffs for us (palyoff warrior).
<Plekanec is having a good season (bargain or very decent contract)...sure we all want him to be better (offensively) in playoffs, but at least he's still good/consistent defensively and always a threat on the PK and healthy (iron-man).
<Mitchell...solid solid solid.
<Byron...love his speed...love it!! fun to watch...I hope he gets more PK time ('cause him and Pleks are major speed demons on the PK).
DSP...has that extra step this season...I was a DSP fan since I saw him play for Canada (WJC)...and was a playoff warrior for Anaheim a couple of yrs ago.
 
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jaffy27

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Or you know, they just don't discuss things and spew out the same garbage like 99% of hockey players?

But hey, that's fine if you actually believe you're seeing the team play exactly the same. I guess it took 2 years for the players to finally understand this highly complex structure. :facepalm:

You're right...they reinvented this whole new system that the players have all learned in a full 2 weeks of pre season and are executing this to the point where they are breaking 100yr old Habs records :laugh:

The players are saying they are playing the same system, the coach is saying they're playing the same system, the guys calling the game are saying it's the same system, the country's best analyst are saying they are playing the same system, I say they are playing the same system, geez....even Nilan that's played the game for 45yrs and knows a thing or two about systems since he's played in the NHL and worked under Lemaire says they play the SAME SYTEM!!! ....guess ALL of us are wrong and you are right.....who knew :dunno:


I'm guessing because when they cross the Blue line on the offensive side and they hold onto it at a 20% higher rate, this to you is changing the system??? The system always had a plan at either bringing it in or dumping it in, this year, like Weise said..they are executing the plan better therefore can control the puck more efficiently!!......I hope this clarifies things for you, but something tells me it won't..:help:

I'm sure you're a really smart guy, we just will never see eye to eye on this one
 

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That's a BIG 'si'!

Either way, he's gonna have a great season and then, I totally depend on him for the playoffs. So clutch. I could actually see him winning the mini Conne Smythe next to Carey. To THAT I think il pourrait rêver.
 

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You're right...they reinvented this whole new system that the players have all learned in a full 2 weeks of pre season and are executing this to the point where they are breaking 100yr old Habs records :laugh:
Or, you know, they changed some things that favor puck possession more?

The players are saying they are playing the same system, the coach is saying they're playing the same system, the guys calling the game are saying it's the same system, the country's best analyst are saying they are playing the same system, I say they are playing the same system, geez....even Nilan that's played the game for 45yrs and knows a thing or two about systems since he's played in the NHL and worked under Lemaire says they play the SAME SYTEM!!! ....guess ALL of us are wrong and you are right.....who knew :dunno:
You mean the same management who refused to admit the Habs were playing more of a defensive style? To the point where the GM lashed out at a journalist for claiming such a thing?
The same analysts who were saying how the Habs over-relied on Price last season?
The same players kept talking about defense, that also discussed needing more offense, and have now switched their tune to puck possession?
The same ones who apparently have zero info on their best player's injury?..It's as if Price is away on a space mission and they have no form of communication.

We aren't opting for the ''safe play'' at every opportunity. You want to say it was the player poorly executing last year? Well that's fine, but that means the same thing.
We are playing different than last year. I don't think you are understanding this.

You can say it's the same system as the last two years but we're finally executing it properly, at the end of the day, we're playing differently.
I'm guessing because when they cross the Blue line on the offensive side and they hold onto it at a 20% higher rate, this to you is changing the system??? The system always had a plan at either bringing it in or dumping it in, this year, like Weise said..they are executing the plan better therefore can control the puck more efficiently!!......I hope this clarifies things for you, but something tells me it won't..:help:
I think you guys are playing this little foolish game not to admit the team is playing differently.
As I said before, you can say anything, the proof is in the pudding. I'm not imagining things here. The team is entertaining, last year I was falling asleep. So we're definitely not playing the same.
You can say it's the same system, if they're executing it better that means they're playing differently.

System A poorly executed means you aren't actually playing System A. Get it?
I'm sure you're a really smart guy, we just will never see eye to eye on this one
If you can't admit the team is playing differently then you're right, we will never agree.
 
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Weise is an important Hab who has a very good chance of scoring 20+ goals this season. Instead of trading him I'd add another player of his ilk.

Agree with this, you want more players like him. Players that come out every night and continually improve. If he hits 20 this season I'll be ecstatic.
 

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He had some good things to say about DD as well and said if he had to choose one center on the Habs to play with it would be him. Hopefully that line can keep it up all season long.

And DD had good things to say about Weise. Said his hair was beautiful and he should be allowed to play without a helmet lol. Said he reminded him of Guy Lafleur.
 

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