Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[ThirdEye]

As much as I want him back, I hope Dallas becomes infatuated with him and signs him. Frothing at the mouth for that 1st round pick

 

[NYR Viper]

As much as I want him back, I hope Dallas becomes infatuated with him and signs him. Frothing at the mouth for that 1st round pick

It also gives the guy a legit shot at winning (hopefully).One of the most fun players I've had the pleasure of watching for years

 

[17futurecap]

He can decide he wants to be here and still have reactions about what happens here.

I will not accept someone in hockey being anything other than a robot.

 

[bobbop]

I was underwhelmed. I assume this was the best available offer. If Dzingel can get two seconds I’m stumped why Zuccarello couldn’t match that given his deep playoff experience. Dallas is a team playing to make the playoffs, not win the playoffs. Apparently the interest in MZA did not extend to the real contenders.

This feels a lot like the Brendan Smith return two years ago. Forget the very hard to digest contingencies. The aren’t likely happening.

 

[bobbop]

So what did this teach us? Well here’s a few things; Carolina isn’t trading Adam Fox and Pittsburgh isn’t moving Caleb Addison in a deal for anything less than a premier piece. Nashville and Winnipeg aren’t shopping for secondary pieces, they want bigger game and are conserving their resources. And who knows what the Bruins and Islanders are thinking?

 

[UnSandvich]

Wow, that kinda hurt to watch, even as someone vehemently pro-tank. You forget sometimes that these guys are usually great friends, especially when they've played together that long

 

[Irishguy42]

I was underwhelmed. I assume this was the best available offer. If Dzingel can get two seconds I’m stumped why Zuccarello couldn’t match that given his deep playoff experience. Dallas is a team playing t9mmake the playoffs, not win the playoffs. Apparently the interest in MZA did not extend to the real contenders.

This feels a lot like the Brendan Smith return two years ago. Forget the very hard to digest contingencies. The aren’t likely happening.

Dzingel is not a rental. Him and CBus have reportedly want to/will go long-term.

 

[Tob]

I was underwhelmed. I assume this was the best available offer. If Dzingel can get two seconds I’m stumped why Zuccarello couldn’t match that given his deep playoff experience. Dallas is a team playing t9mmake the playoffs, not win the playoffs. Apparently the interest in MZA did not extend to the real contenders.

This feels a lot like the Brendan Smith return two years ago. Forget the very hard to digest contingencies. The aren’t likely happening.

Dzingel is entering his prime and Zuccarello is exiting it. Kekekekekekekek made the trade with the intention of extending Dzingel who is from the area. Dzingel looks like he wants to extend with CBJ as well. That 2+2 is entirely based on the value of a highly probable extended Dzingel. Kekekekekekek is the one that stepped up for that price because of that. Other GMs with a regular chance at negotiating and re-signing him wouldn't pony up that price.

 

[ThirdEye]

Dzingel is not a rental. Him and CBus want to/will go long-term.

He's also 26 whereas Zucc is approaching 32

 

[bobbop]

He is going to have to go mega PPG+ for them to want him back. Remember, they didn't view him as being worth giving up a 2019 1st round pick, so he's going to have to move mountains for him to be worth their 2020 first round pick. I personally don't see that happening. There is also a possibility that Nill is fired and the new GM will have nothing tying him to Zuccarello and will definitely want to take over with his first round pick in play.

The condition is basically irrelevant and I fear we are just being manipulated here into thinking the return might be something more than it is. I'm not going to fall for it. I thought the Rangers were better than that. Gorton has sunk as low as Dorion here.

A condition on a team making a certain playoff round is OK as the playoffs are a giant crapshoot. But I expect that Gorton has a pretty good idea how Dallas really feels about Zuccarello and how that whole thing is going to play out. Or at least he should.

Actually the 2020 conditional is not irrelevant because Dallas probably can’t trade it until Zuccarello is clearly gone without some agreement from the Rangers. Similar to the 2019 Tampa first.

 

[Off Sides]

I'm interested to see who this all plays out, I'm really leaning more towards the Rangers get the 2nd for 2019, and then them and Dallas have some talks about how to change up that conditional 1st to extend Zucc into something lesser than a 1st but more than a 3rd.

If that turns into a 2020 2nd that is the same thing as Dzingel returned. Anything more than that and I guess that would be, well, more than what Dzingel returned.

 

[aufheben]

I was underwhelmed. I assume this was the best available offer. If Dzingel can get two seconds I’m stumped why Zuccarello couldn’t match that given his deep playoff experience. Dallas is a team playing t9mmake the playoffs, not win the playoffs. Apparently the interest in MZA did not extend to the real contenders.

This feels a lot like the Brendan Smith return two years ago. Forget the very hard to digest contingencies. The aren’t likely happening.

Idk how much of a difference it actually makes, but the Rangers have a good idea of where this 2019 2nd will be (mid), but there is less certainty with Ottawa’s picks. Even assuming Columbus places the same next year, it’s still a bit lower.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I'm interested to see who this all plays out, I'm really leaning more toward the Rangers get the 2nd for 2019, and then them and Dallas have some talks about how to change up that conditional 1st to extend Zucc into something lesser than a 1st but more than a 3rd.

If that turns into a 2020 2nd that is the same thing as Dzingel received.

If Jim Nill is still the GM by July 1, I don’t think he’ll have a problem losing that first for resigning him

 

[bobbop]

Dzingel is not a rental. Him and CBus have reportedly want to/will go long-term.

He’s a rental until he signs a contract.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah I am. I've mentioned before that NYR shouldn't lose someone in the organization that they can't replace, skill-wise and energy-wise, without having someone to replace him with.

Are we talking about right now? I don’t think it matters. We also don’t have a replacement for Hayes but keeping either or both will get us nowhere. Down the line is when it matters and the reason why UFAs are being moved.

 

[dangsLITE]

I'm interested to see who this all plays out, I'm really leaning more toward the Rangers get the 2nd for 2019, and then them and Dallas have some talks about how to change up that conditional 1st to extend Zucc into something lesser than a 1st but more than a 3rd.

If that turns into a 2020 2nd that is the same thing as Dzingel received.

Vegas has their 2020 2nd

 

[Mailman]

Goal and pass for zucc after 23 minutes with Dallas. Sad that nyr didn’t succeed with a run for the cup. Been following this board silently for many years. Really hope nyr comes back big time after the rebuild! Guess ill be following two teams now. Good luck guys!

 

[starsfan71]

He is everything I've read about on this board since yesterday. He is absolutely everywhere.

 

[Off Sides]

If Jim Nill is still the GM by July 1, I don’t think he’ll have a problem losing that first for resigning him

Sure but if he does, there is some wiggle room in there.

More than anything having Dallas and the Rangers talking at/near the 2019 draft where each team is going in different directions in their builds is a good thing in my opinion. Conditional picks on top of a known one likely creates vested interests.

 

[Ghost of jas]

#SignHimNill

Fixed

 

[Metranger]

Watching the Stars/Blackhawks game. I'm conflicted because I want Chicago and the Stars to win. Let's get a tie.

First goal, beautiful pass from Zuccarello to a streaking Star forward.
Then later a goal in the right slot.

I believe he's a +3. I hope he kills it with the Stars.

 

[rangerfan_79]

I was wondering why the 2020 pick was a 3rd and not a 2nd. Didn't realize they traded it away already.

1. The Dallas Stars' second-round pick will go to the Vegas Golden Knights as the result of a trade on June 26, 2017 that sent Marc Methot to Dallas in exchange for Dylan Ferguson and this pick.[3]

I am fairly confident Zucc resigns the the stars. He is a sentimental guy and they showed they wanted him. Looks like he
is having a pretty good start in Dallas.

 

[Off Sides]

Vegas has their 2020 2nd

Which makes sense at to why that was not included in this deal, maybe there is some equivalency to that 2020 2nd within their prospects, or maybe a 2021 2nd?

More what I am trying to say, this is not being seen as a continuing conversation, which in my opinion it should be, as if not, those conditional picks would not have to be included at all.

I doubt the Rangers are really expecting the Dallas unprotected 2020 1st, there has to be some reason beyond optics that they decided to make that part of the deal.

 

[Joey Bones]

Are we talking about right now? I don’t think it matters. We also don’t have a replacement for Hayes but keeping either or both will get us nowhere. Down the line is when it matters and the reason why UFAs are being moved.

Yes there are replacements for Hayes with Strome and Namestnikov (but to a lesser extent than what Hayes brings to NYR). Howden and Andersson could eventually replace all of them in a few seasons if they continue to develop right. I would say Chytil, but I think he'll be more used at the wing.

But that's besides the point because Zucc and Hayes are different players, IMO. Hayes isn't as consistent and is a middle-6 center with age on his side. Zucc is a top-6 winger with elite playmaking ability, despite age being against him....

 

[kovazub94]

Read one of @RangerBoy and someone else’s recent posts with which I completely agree. A lot depends on Zuke. If he seamlessly fits into Stars lineup like in this first game and the team has a strong regular season finish and a good playoff outing no matter how long, it would be hard for Dallas management to say no to resigning him.