Confirmed Trade: [DAL/LAK] Ben Bishop UFA rights for 2017 4th rounder (MTL's pick)

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Roof Daddy

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vegas is taking Murrey unless the pens offer something sweet for them not to

Why would the Pens let that happen? Do you not realize Fleury only has a limited NTC? He will be moved, what they get in return is questionable. Pens fans seem to attach much higher value than any team would be willing to pay.

As for this deal, I think it's a real good move for the Stars if they get him signed to a reasonable deal.

I don't get the Stars fans balking at moving back from 3 to 5 in order to dump Niemi or Lehtonen on Vancouver. In this draft I'm sure there is probably 5 different guys you see at #3 depending on what team you're talking too. Stars could easily get the guy they like at 5.
 

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I think most of us saw Bishop to Dallas coming.

how does Bish only get a 4th if darling got a 3rd lol

also this needs a sticky

Carolina was a perfect destination for Darling, im sure they knew they had a great chance to sign him if they got the head start.

Bishop on the other hand gathers a lot of interested from teams looking for a #1 goalie, he could still end up spending the whole summer deciding where he wants to go.

Rights vs player is a totally different thing.

That said i hope they get a deal done, and i hope it doesn't screw the Stars too much.
 

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Glad the Stars are taking the position seriously, not my favorite option, but I can get behind it depending on the term.

I don't get the Stars fans balking at moving back from 3 to 5 in order to dump Niemi or Lehtonen on Vancouver. In this draft I'm sure there is probably 5 different guys you see at #3 depending on what team you're talking too. Stars could easily get the guy they like at 5.

Have you seen our left handed defensive depth? Heiskanen is likely the only shot at fixing that, and he is not slipping past #4.

And the 5th pick in particular? Well, Gagliardi and Aquilini don't play well together.
 

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Pens trad MAF to Vegas, Dallas trade Neimi @ 50% and Eakin to the Pens for Future Considerations....

It can totally happen
 

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Players have down years all the time. He was still at a .911 save percentage this past season and is one year removed from finishing 10th in Hart trophy voting.

The Stars are trying to retool and get a great core back to where they were at one year ago. Bishop gives them the best chance of winning a Cup.
 

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Pens trad MAF to Vegas, Dallas trade Neimi @ 50% and Eakin to the Pens for Future Considerations....

It can totally happen

I don't want Fleury in Vegas but I would be happy with Lehtonen + a sweetener. Otherwise there are many other options.
 

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- He is the best UFA goalie available and a 4th is nothing and actually great considering what Darling got.
- A long term contract is risky but it also has a good chance of paying off and if it does it solves the position for them for a good while.
- Going young (Grubauer, etc) is certainly an option but it also carries significant risk. Its cheaper in terms of cap but carries the risk of the acquisition being unable to maintain a starter's role. That and it will certainly cost more than a 4th.
- Waiting for and trading for Fleury will cost more than a 4th and he comes with an inconsistent playoff record. Bishop has played less but has a stellar postseason record. You know this guy can perform there if you get there and other options come with question marks in that department.

I am not crazy about it because I am scared of signing any goalie to $$$/term after this two headed goalie monster monstrosity, but its clearly one of the better options available and the cheapest in terms of asset cost. Would have personally preferred Fleury just because he is signed for less time and less risky as a result.

As far as Lehtonen/Neimi are concerned, all indications are Neimi will be bought out and Lehtonen retained for one more year. Mike Heika (Stars beat writer) seems to think so and he has a good read on what is going on. You can take his "speculation" at this time of year as him rewording things he has heard from the organization. Usually.

Apparently the Stars think they can "fix" Lehtonen. I don't buy it, but he can certainly be a serviceable backup. Looking at the Stars cap situation and available UFA talent, there is not a pressing need to buy out both. Buying out Lehtonen, for example, leaves you with a buyout hit of around $2.5 this year and $1.7 next year. Add in the cost of a good backup at around 1-1.5 and you are still paying around 3.5-4 for a backup next season. Better to ride that one out.
 

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Anybody think he'd take a contract like this:
4 Years, $5.5 M AAV
1. $7M
2. $7M
3. $5M
4. $3M


Rumor has it he wanted to come to Dallas.

The hang up with Bishop, and the Stars will learn this 1st hand, is that he's going to want term....probably at least 6 years. There will be teams out there that will give him that. My guess is that the starting point for any contract less than 6 years in term is going to be $6.5 million per year. A 4 year, $26 million deal just has that ring to it....somebody's gonna "pay the man".
 

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- Going young (Grubauer, etc) is certainly an option but it also carries significant risk. Its cheaper in terms of cap but carries the risk of the acquisition being unable to maintain a starter's role. That and it will certainly cost more than a 4th.
- Waiting for and trading for Fleury will cost more than a 4th and he comes with an inconsistent playoff record. Bishop has played less but has a stellar postseason record. You know this guy can perform there if you get there and other options come with question marks in that department.


Dunno where you get the idea that Fluery and Grubauer would cost any more than Darling or Bishop considering they'd be lost in the expansion without being moved to another team anyway.
 

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I don't think its as clear cut as that. Those teams can still make deals with Vegas to not take those players.

If Grubauer's out there, it's hard to conceive of a deal that Washington can/would offer Vegas that they'd accept. McPhee knows that kid and is alreadly pencilling him in.

One thing.....Vegas isn't going to have a bad defense at all, so goalies won't necessarily be partaking in a shooting gallery.
 

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If signed, Dallas just became a contender again. He didn't play his best last year. If he can play like he did the previous two seasons, Dallas just became a team to worry about.
 

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If signed, Dallas just became a contender again. He didn't play his best last year. If he can play like he did the previous two seasons, Dallas just became a team to worry about.

Not really. Tampa has always been pretty darn good defensively, we'll see how Bishop does with a much worse defense. Hitchkock will probably help some, but we'll see how it actually works out. Bishop was also pretty terrible this year, have to hope that was an aberration. Plus you've got Nashville, Chicago, St. Louis, Minnesota and even Winnipeg (if they get a goalie) to worry about. And that's just in the Central, long way to go to be considered a contender.
 
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