Player Discussion Dakota Joshua | Shut up and give him his money!

[sting101]

Hindsight only applies if its clear that it wasnt a great decision to make at the time. The entire argument is that we dont need him to fight when there is nothing to be gained by it at the end of a game against a bottom feeder. That is true regardless of reasonable outcome.

I would want them to stand up when its a truly dirty play, is egregious in some way, is against one of our star players, or could reasonably have a positively impact on the team (early in a game, in a playoff series, setting the tone for the next matchup against an important opponent, etc).

Saying that we cant decide at the time it happened that fighting Entwhistle with 3.5 minutes left in a 4-2 game against Chicago after a cleanish hit on Garland where Garland wasnt hurt was good or bad and we only know its bad in hindsight with the injury is something I disagree with. It was stupid because of a potential injury.

disagree. Joshua was being a good line mate and teammate. Odds were extremely low he would get hurt. Shit happens he's no dummy i dont know why you would call him stupid

 

[geebster]

disagree. Joshua was being a good line mate and teammate. Odds were extremely low he would get hurt. Shit happens he's no dummy i dont know why you would call him stupid

I didn't.

 

[sting101]

I didn't.

you suggested he did something dumb

 

[geebster]

you suggested he did something dumb

Smart people do dumb things all the time.

 

[sting101]

Smart people do dumb things all the time.

what does that have to do with Joshua

 

[PuckMunchkin]

HF I hate fighting in hockey. No other professional sport has it. Its childish, and for the most part its catering to Americans who don't really care about hockey. So include me in the group that think fighting is ignorant and stupid.

Sure, beat the crap out of a guy who makes a dirty hockey play, and take a major and get suspended for a game. But two asshole dropping their gloves and circling each other for 20 seconds then slugging it out is for Neanderthals. And childish hockey fans.

I think not having fighting has some pretty nasty consequences to the players.

The way of the Rat becomes much more enticing.

The players could not care less about a $5000 fine. They wont even notice it on their paycheck.

 

[TraderJim]

What I don't get is that if fighting is so important for policing to the sport, then why aren't there fights during the playoffs? Shouldn't fighting ramp up during those games with more intense hitting and play in general? Instead fighting drops during those games.

I grew up as a huge fan of Probert and other fighters but the older I get the more I see the argument with fighting as the same as the argument against wearing helmets when that was made back in the 90s.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

What I don't get is that if fighting is so important for policing to the sport, then why aren't there fights during the playoffs? Shouldn't fighting ramp up during those games with more intense hitting and play in general? Instead fighting drops during those games.

I grew up as a huge fan of Probert and other fighters but the older I get the more I see the argument with fighting as the same as the argument against wearing helmets when that was made back in the 90s.

Because the pointless fights wont happen.

Especially now with the instigator rules.

Finnish hockey is now suffering the way of the rat because fighting is pretty much banned.

 

[TraderJim]

The NHL allows fighting and has those same illegal hits. Fighting doesn't stop that from happening. Canuck fans should know that best since we experienced the Naslund/Moore/Bertuzzi incident plus us having Cooke and Torres and other "rats".

Having Ohlund get beaten up because Matt Cooke was out there throwing cheapshots doesn't help anything.

 

[Quinning]

Dude needs to stop fighting

 

[Nick Lang]

What I don't get is that if fighting is so important for policing to the sport, then why aren't there fights during the playoffs? Shouldn't fighting ramp up during those games with more intense hitting and play in general? Instead fighting drops during those games.

I grew up as a huge fan of Probert and other fighters but the older I get the more I see the argument with fighting as the same as the argument against wearing helmets when that was made back in the 90s.

Exactly, because fighting if for idiots, and when games count players try not to do stupid things. Only a moron lets himself be intimidated by idle threats and drawn into a fight during a hockey game. Players are too smart nowadays to engage in a useless fights where the only reward is penalties and injuries.

 

[Another Empty Netter]

He should be skating soon or we can be a little concerned -

 

[VanJack]

You have to kinda' feel for Joshua. That stupid fight in Chicago against a bottom-feeding team like the Hawks, was almost a complete waste of energy. And it could cost him the last two months of the season.

And it's also probably going to cost him dearly at contract time. I guess it'll make it easier for the Canucks to sign him. Because otherwise he'd be a still relatively young UFA coming off a career year.

 

[Hodgy]

He should be skating soon or we can be a little concerned -

I assume he's been skating the whole time. He broke his hand not his foot.

 

[David71]

depends how well dakotta does in the playoffs. how much would you be willing to give him?

 

[LordBacon]

depends how well dakotta does in the playoffs. how much would you be willing to give him?

3mil x 2 years max.

 

[F A N]

Joshua’s injury might be a blessing in disguise when it comes to re-signing him.

 

[timw33]

Joshua’s injury might be a blessing in disguise when it comes to re-signing him.

It's a totally fair point, he probably realizes how a single play can just...end his career earnings. He's never made more than league minimum so I wouldn't be shocked if he took like 2.5MM x 3 years in a signing bonus heavy contract just to make sure that he's getting a payday that can set himself up for life while de-risking against a freak injury.

 

[Raistlin]

Joshua’s injury might be a blessing in disguise when it comes to re-signing him.

also would love to know if he can sustain that level of play over a long run though.

 

[Hodgy]

It's a totally fair point, he probably realizes how a single play can just...end his career earnings. He's never made more than league minimum so I wouldn't be shocked if he took like 2.5MM x 3 years in a signing bonus heavy contract just to make sure that he's getting a payday that can set himself up for life while de-risking against a freak injury.

There's that aspect, but also, its extremely unlikely that he will hit 20 goals this year whereas he had a pretty good chance of doing so if he wasn't injured. And while pace is important, players get paid more on final totals than on pace totals, and having had scored 20 goals as a physical winger was going to really help his case.

 

[Nucker101]

Joshua’s injury might be a blessing in disguise when it comes to re-signing him.

And to a lesser extent with DeSmith and the Minny game

 

[geebster]

And to a lesser extent with DeSmith and the Minny game

I just hope he reignites the chemistry he had before the injury. Him, Garland, and Blueger were dominating teams and sometimes time away can kill that momentum/chemistry. Hope when hes back they immediately get back to that.

 

[Misko]

Appears that Joshua is basically confirmed to be back in today, but with Boeser and Miller. If he clicks there maybe that's for the best, but I'm definitely hoping that he can reunite with Garland and Blueger and reignite what was the best 3rd line in the NHL, feel like this team has missed that line quite a bit since Joshua got hurt.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Looked awesome last night. Picking up right where he left off.

 

[Szechwan]

Yup, he looked great. Lock him up, he really changes the complexion of the forward group