D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Sam de Mtl]

Is he having a Moritz Seider kind of rise? Any similarity there?

 

[absolute garbage]

If Montreal, Vancouver or Arizona ends up with the 5th pick, I could easily see him going there.

I would be surprised if any of those teams passed on Reinbacher (as long as they are not in the top 4 of course).

 

[Raistlin]

you're giving up a lot of upside to draft him at 5. 7-9 is where he will likely go. Indeed I cannot see Vancouver passing on him. Arizona needs to sell tickets, Im not so sure they can use their high pick on a Pesce type defender.

 

[WayneGretzky]

0% chance Montreal takes ANY dman in the top 12

 

[S E P H]

Is he having a Moritz Seider kind of rise? Any similarity there?

He doesn't have the offence IMHO. Seider was always a diamond in the rough with his offensive talent and was really raw, but showed all the skills that you wanted to see from someone who had an offensive mind. I am not saying Reinbacher hasn't, but I don't think I've seen him at the level that Moritz was at. Reinbacher is more in terms of Slavin where he can put up points, but will be known for defence first and foremost.

 

[Captain97]

0% chance Montreal takes ANY dman in the top 12

Why would you say that? A top pairing RD is something the Habs need in a desperate way.

 

[mistaclick]

Is he having a Moritz Seider kind of rise? Any similarity there?

Sort of. Austrian born playing in Switzerland who hasn’t been hyped for years, so not a lot of scout/media attention. Seider started getting a lot more following the world championships in his DY after playing for Germany, and I expect Reinbacher to also get more attention when he plays for Austria at this years WC. They are different players though so not much similarity beyond that, I think Reinbacher is more ready and complete than Seider was at the same point in their DYs.

I don’t see elite offensive ability with Reinbacher but I think he has shown enough vision and creativity against men where I’m not too worried about it (from the games I’ve caught), you don’t draft this guy to be your dynamic offensive D, the points will still come. There is top-pair potential, most likely scenario though he becomes someone who eats 20ish minutes a night in all situations, puts up around 30 points a year and is most known for his defensive reads, transition defence, gap control, etc. Not really physical but has good size and does compete.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If Montreal, Vancouver or Arizona ends up with the 5th pick, I could easily see him going there.

I would be surprised if any of those teams passed on Reinbacher (as long as they are not in the top 4 of course).

Habs weakness is right side.

They have Barron and Mailloux. League likely will, but hasn't signed off on Mailloux being allowed to play in the NHL if he even makes it.

 

[WayneGretzky]

Why would you say that? A top pairing RD is something the Habs need in a desperate way.

There isn’t a sure fire #1 RHD available in this draft, one of these guys may develop to get there, but that caliber of player simply isn’t available right now. Hughes is too smart to draft for a need that high in a draft this strong. I’d bet the house he takes the best Forward available with his first pick, and I’d bet slightly less that he takes a forward with both picks. (Or packages picks in a deal for a sure thing)

 

[Captain97]

Habs weakness is right side.

They have Barron and Mailloux. League likely will, but hasn't signed off on Mailloux being allowed to play in the NHL if he even makes it.

Don't want to get into this too deep. But if the League says Mailloux can't play its likely a lawsuit.

It's fuzzy because he committed an offense as a minor in a other country. But if he had done it in Canada the record would have been sealed and holding a misdemeanor offence against someone when committed as a minor usually violates employment laws.

There isn’t a sure fire #1 RHD available in this draft, one of these guys may develop to get there, but that caliber of player simply isn’t available right now. Hughes is too smart to draft for a need that high in a draft this strong. I’d bet the house he takes the best Forward available with his first pick, and I’d bet slightly less that he takes a forward with both picks. (Or packages picks in a deal for a sure thing)

I disagree with your assessment of Reinbacher, I think we are looking at a #1 dman in the future.

Buts that's why we differ, I think very highly of him you less so. If I thought he was a bigger risk I'd agree reaching isn't a good idea.

 

[absolute garbage]

I think Montreal, Vancouver and Arizona would all be thrilled to add a Pesce type defenseman. Even if not necessarily 50+ point PPQB types, those are winning players.

Arizona already has tons of offensive talent coming up in Cooley, Guenther and Geekie, in addition to young guys already in the lineup (like Maccelli, and of course Keller and Schmaltz who are in their primes). But they have a very thin blueline. Both Vancouver and Montreal could also really use a reliable big minute RD going forward, it's probably both teams' biggest single need.

Sure Reinbacher is not a sure fire #1 RD, but neither are the forward prospects in that 5-12 range or whatever sure fire 1st liners.

 

[WayneGretzky]

Don't want to get into this too deep. But if the League says Mailloux can't play its likely a lawsuit.

It's fuzzy because he committed an offense as a minor in a other country. But if he had done it in Canada the record would have been sealed and holding a misdemeanor offence against someone when committed as a minor usually violates employment laws.



I disagree with your assessment of Reinbacher, I think we are looking at a #1 dman in the future.

Buts that's why we differ, I think very highly of him you less so. If I thought he was a bigger risk I'd agree reaching isn't a good idea.

I don’t see a dman worth taking in the top 15 right now. There’s currently 5-6 dmen I could see being the first off the board.

I don’t disagree at all that Reinbacher has Pesce level upside, that just doesn’t warrant a top 10 pick this year, teams can’t afford to pass on Marner/Point upside for Pesce upside, decisions like that set teams back years, Habs already made that mistake with KK over Tkachuk (drafting need over value) Hughes is much smarter, that won’t happen again. They 100% trade their top 10 pick before they’d use it on one of the dmen available this year. But they will draft the best forward available

 

[jfhabs]

I don’t see a dman worth taking in the top 15 right now. There’s currently 5-6 dmen I could see being the first off the board.

I don’t disagree at all that Reinbacher has Pesce level upside, that just doesn’t warrant a top 10 pick this year, teams can’t afford to pass on Marner/Point upside for Pesce upside, decisions like that set teams back years, Habs already made that mistake with KK over Tkachuk (drafting need over value) Hughes is much smarter, that won’t happen again. They 100% trade their top 10 pick before they’d use it on one of the dmen available this year. But they will draft the best forward available

I think there's a more pressing need up front then at RHD. If they take Reinbacher, it's because they believe he's the BPA imo. I also think he's a lock for the top 15 and I'd even say top 10. I'm not sure why you say his upside is Pesce, his shot and offensive instincts are better then Pesce now, let alone how Pesce's were at the same age. It's probably his floor more then anything.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think there's a more pressing need up front then at RHD. If they take Reinbacher, it's because they believe he's the BPA imo. I also think he's a lock for the top 15 and I'd even say top 10. I'm not sure why you say his upside is Pesce, his shot and offensive instincts are better then Pesce now, let alone how Pesce's were at the same age. It's probably his floor more then anything.

Reinbacher's floor is not Brett Pesce. That should require no explanation.

 

[Michoulicious]

Is he having a Moritz Seider kind of rise? Any similarity there?

To have such a rise, he'd need to kill it at the World Championships like Seider did.

I don't see him in front of the big 4 nor Smith, Leonard, Benson and co.

Of course you need only one team like Detroit for Seider that like the guy enough.

At the time, I thought Yzerman was uber dumb to miss on a franchise American C like Zegras... Now I see they are close.

 

[WayneGretzky]

I think there's a more pressing need up front then at RHD. If they take Reinbacher, it's because they believe he's the BPA imo. I also think he's a lock for the top 15 and I'd even say top 10. I'm not sure why you say his upside is Pesce, his shot and offensive instincts are better then Pesce now, let alone how Pesce's were at the same age. It's probably his floor more then anything.

Time will tell, I see a decent 2nd pairing defender in Reinbacher, a really good one of those is worth a first for sure, top 10 in a weak draft maybe.

Reinbacher
ASP
Guylayev
Brzustewicz
Dragicevic

And perhaps even Simashev could go in any order and I wouldn’t be surprised…any one of them could be first off the board, and I could also see 3-4 of them being second round picks…any team willing to take one of these guys over one of the 12-15 forwards with high quality top six upside is reaching.

 

[jfhabs]

Reinbacher's floor is not Brett Pesce. That should require no explanation.

Probably closer to his floor then his ceiling is what I meant. He's already doing very well in a professional league at 17-18 years old, so I'd be surprise if doesn't become an NHLer. He has the size, instincts and skating. Sky is the limit. Not sure why Pesce should be a comparable, outside of a good first pass the guy doesn't have a lot of offensive tools.

Time will tell, I see a decent 2nd pairing defender in Reinbacher, a really good one of those is worth a first for sure, top 10 in a weak draft maybe.

Reinbacher
ASP
Guylayev
Brzustewicz
Dragicevic

And perhaps even Simashev could go in any order and I wouldn’t be surprised…any one of them could be first off the board, and I could also see 3-4 of them being second round picks…any team willing to take one of these guys over one of the 12-15 forwards with high quality top six upside is reaching.

That's fair for you to think that, but I'm not sure there's a consensus on whether or not he has top pairing potential. If some team picks him 5-10, you can bet they think he does.

 

[WayneGretzky]

Probably closer to his floor then his ceiling is what I meant. He's already doing very well in a professional league at 17-18 years old, so I'd be surprise if doesn't become an NHLer. He has the size, instincts and skating. Sky is the limit. Not sure why Pesce should be a comparable, outside of a good first pass the guy doesn't have a lot of offensive tools.


That's fair for you to think that, but I'm not sure there's a consensus on whether or not he has top pairing potential. If some team picks him 5-10, you can bet they think he does.

Like I said…time will tell

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Montreal, Vancouver or Arizona ends up with the 5th pick, I could easily see him going there.

I would be surprised if any of those teams passed on Reinbacher (as long as they are not in the top 4 of course).

I'd be surprised if the Habs took him in the top 6, they are still looking to add offense and Smith/Benson would be right there.

 

[Mrb1p]

I would be wary of anyone that cites his "lack of high end tools" or "offensive potential" as reasons to not draft him this high. Its evident that anyone that has actually watched Reinbacher would not say these things. His shooting tools are a 10 out of 10 for a defenseman. His play making is a solid 6.5 +. His hands are a 7.

 

[Mrb1p]

To have such a rise, he'd need to kill it at the World Championships like Seider did.

I don't see him in front of the big 4 nor Smith, Leonard, Benson and co.

Of course you need only one team like Detroit for Seider that like the guy enough.

At the time, I thought Yzerman was uber dumb to miss on a franchise American C like Zegras... Now I see they are close.

In what universe is Zegras close to Seider as an asset ? 11 points in career high difference and one is a all-situation physical menace while the other is the vanilla of vanilla forwards.

 

[WayneGretzky]

I would be wary of anyone that cites his "lack of high end tools" or "offensive potential" as reasons to not draft him this high. Its evident that anyone that has actually watched Reinbacher would not say these things. His shooting tools are a 10 out of 10 for a defenseman. His play making is a solid 6.5 +. His hands are a 7.

Funny, I was thinking the same about anyone touting this guy as a #1 who should be picked in the top 7

 

[57special]

Id compare him to Seider, especially in terms of where he will be actually drafted.
Seider i believe was projected to go in the 15-20th spot.

Interesting enough, they actually have a lot of similarities in their game

That’s exactly who I thought of. Most were surprised that Yzerman took him as high as 6th. Now everyone is surprised that he went that late!

A 6’2, two way RHD will be hard to pass up for a lot of teams picking in the 8-13 range. I know there are a lot of talented junior forwards this year, but many of them are not big, and GM’s worry about how their game will translate to the pro game.

 

[Hinterland]

Id compare him to Seider, especially in terms of where he will be actually drafted.
Seider i believe was projected to go in the 15-20th spot.

Interesting enough, they actually have a lot of similarities in their game

Some similiarities yes but I doubt Reinbacher is ever gonna be as physically imposing as Seider is. Don't get my wrong...Reinbacher does have a nasty side and loves to mix it up. I just don't see him turn into the volume hitter Seider is.

Also, they're different regarding the risks they take. With possession, Seider loves to hold onto pucks but doesn't take risks otherwise while Reinbacher doesn't really hold onto pucks but takes advantage of opportunities to fly the zone or go to the net with his team in possession. Against the puck, Seider loves to step up and take risks in order to hold the zone or make a big hit. I haven't seen Reinbacher do a lot of that.

 

[Hinterland]

To have such a rise, he'd need to kill it at the World Championships like Seider did.

I don't see him in front of the big 4 nor Smith, Leonard, Benson and co.

Of course you need only one team like Detroit for Seider that like the guy enough.

At the time, I thought Yzerman was uber dumb to miss on a franchise American C like Zegras... Now I see they are close.

No offense to Zegras but I'd take Seider over him regardless of positional needs.
I know Seider had his struggles as well but proved he can be a true franchise defenseman while Zegras hasn't really progressed since the great (though shortened) rookie season he had. He may be a genius and wizard with the puck but he's still just as soft as when he entered the league, he's still just as lost against the puck and he hasn't learned how to win faceoffs either. Don't know. He's a talented player...I just don't see the progress, the learning curve. Seider is a franchise defenseman but a franchise Center doesn't always have the worst or near worst +/- of the roster despite getting heavily sheltered and given the most offensive zone starts year after year.