D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

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A team with 4 defensemen making above 7-8M will not be able to compete offensively.

If you have those four guys out there for 50 minutes a night then you're going to be spending most of the night in the offensive zone and scoring significantly more as a result.

What I like about that particular group is that none of them are highly powerplay dependent, they can all drive play at 5v5.
 

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If you have those four guys out there for 50 minutes a night then you're going to be spending most of the night in the offensive zone and scoring significantly more as a result.

What I like about that particular group is that none of them are highly powerplay dependent, they can all drive play at 5v5.
That’s fair. Just makes me a bit nervous but I’d be happy with him at 9.
 
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A team with 4 defensemen making above 7-8M will not be able to compete offensively.
Again. I like the forward prospects better than the d prospects and forwards don't ask for less money. If balance (can happen both ways) becomes a problem you deal with it later.

Also, Nashville 2018 won the president's trophy and the division championship with a defense of Josi, Ekholm, Ellis and Subban. With the same defense corps they won another division championship a year later and reached the Stanley Cup finals a year earlier.
 
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A team with 4 defensemen making above 7-8M will not be able to compete offensively.
In general, yes, unless you have two Dmen who score 75+ points, say Fox and Heskainen, or Dahlin and Hughes. That's the equivalent of two 1st liners.
 
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This would be an elite defense but I honestly don’t know how it’s sustainable. We’d probably have to pay all 4 of them 7M+
If all 4 of these guys are good enough to demand 7+ million then that is amazing news.

You can always trade 1 of them for an elite winger and split them up
Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Reinbacher
Matta - Chiarot/whoever (and trade Wallinder for a stud forward if he is good enough to make 7M+
 

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In general, yes, unless you have two Dmen who score 75+ points, say Fox and Heskainen, or Dahlin and Hughes. That's the equivalent of two 1st liners.
Nashville won the President's trophy and made it to the Stanley cup final without a single player (forward or defenseman) scoring even 65 points (in any year)
 

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Man, if the Wings draft this kid, their young D is going to be downright frightening with him, Seider, and Edvinsson.
 

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Even if Detroit misses out on Reinbacher there should still be some very intriguing forwards on the board at #9. I guess that Yzerman's Plan B is a center like Dvorsky or Wood. No matter what is going to happen on draft day Red Wings will end up with a great prospect.
 

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Even if Detroit misses out on Reinbacher there should still be some very intriguing forwards on the board at #9. I guess that Yzerman's Plan B is a center like Dvorsky or Wood. No matter what is going to happen on draft day Red Wings will end up with a great prospect.
Don't know. Dvorsky, Wood are, together with Benson, the three top prospects most likely to bust/get taken too early. In my view at least. Maybe Sandin Pelikka but only if he's rushed.

Danielson, Leonard, Yager maybe even Honzek would be more interesting options. Smith as well but Detroit would probably have to trade up to get him (probably for Reinbacher as well).
 

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Even if Detroit misses out on Reinbacher there should still be some very intriguing forwards on the board at #9. I guess that Yzerman's Plan B is a center like Dvorsky or Wood. No matter what is going to happen on draft day Red Wings will end up with a great prospect.
Wood is a winger but would be a fantastic pick. Detroit need a true offensive forward to drive the play.
 

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I can see Reinbacher dropping out of the top 10 if teams like Washington, St Louis, Detroit, and Philedelphia prioritize offense.

Moore, Leonard, Dvorsky, Benson, Wood are all high offensive guys and these teams lack an elite forward moreso than defense.

Either Arizona grabs Reinbacher with their higher pick or he falls outside the top 10. Vancouver or Arizona with their 2nd pick grab him.

Interesting that Reinbacher when asked if he thinks he goes top 10 responded that he doesn’t think so.
 

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I can see Reinbacher dropping out of the top 10 if teams like Washington, St Louis, Detroit, and Philedelphia prioritize offense.

Moore, Leonard, Dvorsky, Benson, Wood are all high offensive guys and these teams lack an elite forward moreso than defense.

Either Arizona grabs Reinbacher with their higher pick or he falls outside the top 10. Vancouver or Arizona with their 2nd pick grab him.

Interesting that Reinbacher when asked if he thinks he goes top 10 responded that he doesn’t think so.
Reinbacher hasnt impressed enough to be taken top 10 in this deep draft, more and more news leaking that teams are waiting a year to select defensemen with top pairing potential in 2024. Reinbacher, ASP and Willander all look like solid top4 guys, but the forwards are too strong at the top. Sounds like Canucks prioritizing Willander ahead of Reinbacher anyways. because....SSwedes.
 

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Reinbacher hasnt impressed enough to be taken top 10 in this deep draft, more and more news leaking that teams are waiting a year to select defensemen with top pairing potential in 2024. Reinbacher, ASP and Willander all look like solid top4 guys, but the forwards are too strong at the top. Sounds like Canucks prioritizing Willander ahead of Reinbacher anyways. because....SSwedes.
Reinbacher outscored some of these potential top10 forwards...and he played in a much better league than almost all of them. Take Dvorsky for example. I know Allsvenskan is the best 2nd tier league in Europe but Dvorsky was poor. His stats are poor and his play was even worse. He was a turnovermachine. Do you wanna draft a complete project who failed to adjust to a 2nd tier pro league over a defenseman who dominated one of Europe's top pro leagues just for the sake of it and to draft a forward? Based on his play vs much weaker fellow kids alone? I don't see that happening. I think we could see surprises among forwards as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see Honzek drafted ahead of Dvorsky for example. I know Honzek is a few months older but he had a similar scoring output in a better league a season ago. Honzek is also a better skater despite being bigger and he's better against the puck as well. Dvorsky has a better shot and is more dangerous in the slot but that's about it.
 
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Reinbacher outscored some of these potential top10 forwards...and he played in a much better league than almost all of them. Take Dvorsky for example. I know Allsvenskan is the best 2nd tier league in Europe but Dvorsky was poor. His stats are poor and his play was even worse. He was a turnovermachine. Do you wanna draft a complete project who failed to adjust to a 2nd tier pro league over a defenseman who dominated one of Europe's top pro leagues just for the sake of it and to draft a forward? Based on his play vs much weaker fellow kids alone? I don't see that happening. I think we could see surprises among forwards as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see Honzek drafted ahead of Dvorsky for example. I know Honzek is a few months older but he had a similar scoring output in a better league a season ago. Honzek is also a better skater despite being bigger and he's better against the puck as well. Dvorsky has a better shot and is more dangerous in the slot but that's about it.
I'm perfectly fine with someone wanting to take Reinbacher ahead of Dvorský, but come on now. He also had an excellent season for a young player at pro level and has solid two-way 2C potential of the kind that every successful team needs.
 
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I'm perfectly fine with someone wanting to take Reinbacher ahead of Dvorský, but come on now. He also had an excellent season for a young player at pro level and has solid two-way 2C potential of the kind that every successful team needs.
Not a good season, no. He's a goal scorer but scored just 6 goals in a 2nd tier league. Also, his play was even worse than his scoring suggests. He was overwhelmed, a turnovermachine. I don't see a two way player. Honzek is a two way player. Done it at pro level already a season ago in Slovakia. Dvorsky has looked good vs fellow kids because of his shot and because he's bigger and stronger than most of them. I don't wanna be too harsh but none of what he did vs kids actually worked in the Allsvenskan. Scoring four goals vs random German kids is cool as well but I wouldn't draft a guy top10 because of it.
 
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...and twice as many points as all other U18 players in the league combined.
How many of them you think are gonna play in the NHL?

Anyway, I didn't mean to bash a particular player. My point was that behind the top4-5 the field is wide open even among forwards and many of these kids have flaws/weaknesses like Dvorsky while Reinbacher's draft season only compares to Rasmus Dahlin's. Of course Reinbacher has room for improvement as well but to say that he hasn't impressed enough to justify a top10 pick is bonkers. There's no way the best defenseman is gonna drop out of the top10 in such an unclear picture.
 
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How many of them you think are gonna play in the NHL?

Well, of previous Allsvenskan prospects David Pastrňák, Filip Forsberg, and Jesper Bratt all scored 8 goals and have done just fine as goal scorers in the NHL. André Burakovsky hasn't been terrible either after scoring 4.
 

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Well, of previous Allsvenskan prospects David Pastrňák, Filip Forsberg, and Jesper Bratt all scored 8 goals and have done just fine as goal scorers in the NHL. André Burakovsky hasn't been terrible either after scoring 4.
None of them were 3rd worst in the entire league with -19 playing limited minutes.
 
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