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D Cale Makar - UMass (Amherst), NCAA (2017, 4th, COL)

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mazmin said:
Jost played in the BCHL which is a step above AJHL (Makar). Many players get drafted in the first round out of the BCHL: Turris and Zajac are examples.

The AJHL doesn't produce NHLers at nearly the same rate as the BCHL.
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I've watched Jost live for several years...you don't really need to fill me in, likely have hundreds of posts evaluating his game to game play..

You also missed my point - but as I learned in these discussions last year, only time will tell.

In closing, it's perfectly sensible to be cautious about Makar, but I doubt that the majority of naysayers in this thread have even watched him play - so I'll chalk them up to comedic effect and leave it at that
 
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The Sweetness said:
Makar was the top defenseman at the World Junior A challenge.

He's playing in a weak league but he's impressed as much as possible considering the opportunities he's been given. From what I've heard he plays a very unselfish dlrefined game and could have had a greater impact in his league if he'd played a less mature game.

He seems to have the skating, skills and smarts. I feel someone with his ability will succeed anywhere.
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Excellent post. And great point, very obvious to see this when you watch his game.
 
Gunner Stahl said:
He would have far less highlight reels, likely have worse numbers, and prob be more of a late 1st/early 2nd if he was in the WHL. Being even considered in the 1st is still really solid so don't get butt**** Makar truthers.

Being a big fish in a small pond has really propelled his draft stock, anyone who says otherwise simply isn't being rational
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Dante Fabbro was drafted #17 by Nashville in 2016 out of the BCHL. He's slightly bigger.

Put up 18 points in 36 games at BU. Went from 1.5 PPG in the BCHL down to 0.5 PPG in the NCAA. That's expected.

So, how would Makar compare with Fabbro?

How is Makar's defensive zone coverage?
 
Street Hawk said:
Dante Fabbro was drafted #17 by Nashville in 2016 out of the BCHL. He's slightly bigger.

Put up 18 points in 36 games at BU. Went from 1.5 PPG in the BCHL down to 0.5 PPG in the NCAA. That's expected.

So, how would Makar compare with Fabbro?

How is Makar's defensive zone coverage?
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Lacking to down right non-existent at times. I've actually seen him float the zone when the puck is in the corner a number of times. He could competely change his game but a lot of his success comes from playing that way.
 
Street Hawk said:
Dante Fabbro was drafted #17 by Nashville in 2016 out of the BCHL. He's slightly bigger.

Put up 18 points in 36 games at BU. Went from 1.5 PPG in the BCHL down to 0.5 PPG in the NCAA. That's expected.

So, how would Makar compare with Fabbro?

How is Makar's defensive zone coverage?
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hard to tell, since Fabbro had a teammate that went 10th overall, meanwhile Mackar does not have another superstar he can feed pucks too and rack up more points. But its PPG for Mackar as a measuring stick next season. PPG or bust.
 
lawrence said:
hard to tell, since Fabbro had a teammate that went 10th overall, meanwhile Mackar does not have another superstar he can feed pucks too and rack up more points. But its PPG for Mackar as a measuring stick next season. PPG or bust.
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Really? He's going to the U Mass next season. Unless his defence is so terrible that he needs to compensate it with a PPG of offence, then I wouldn't expect him to hit that rate as a freshman.

Are we talking Tyson Barrie as an NHL comparable? Good offensive skills, but mediocre defence.
 
lawrence said:
hard to tell, since Fabbro had a teammate that went 10th overall, meanwhile Mackar does not have another superstar he can feed pucks too and rack up more points. But its PPG for Mackar as a measuring stick next season. PPG or bust.
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That's gonna be reeeeeeeaaaaaaaaal hard to do considering UMass's leading scorer this year put up 21 points in 36 games. Only two guys put up over .5 PPG.

Also gonna be pretty hard to do considering only 5 (!) defensemen have put up a point per game in their u20 years since the turn of the century.
 
Connor McDaigle said:
That's gonna be reeeeeeeaaaaaaaaal hard to do considering UMass's leading scorer this year put up 21 points in 36 games. Only two guys put up over .5 PPG.

Also gonna be pretty hard to do considering only 5 (!) defensemen have put up a point per game in their u20 years since the turn of the century.
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ok fine. 0.80 average PPG.
 
Nac Mac Feegle said:
Actually, that is bigger than Erik Karlsson was during his draft combine. Size didn't hamper Erik in the NHL.

Let's face it, this isn't 1970 anymore. Size isn't everything. Hockey IQ + skating speed/agility is the key to success nowadays.
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Karlsson played in the SuperElit against 18, and 19-year olds, he played for the u18 team for Sweden in the World Juniors, and had already played a handful of games in the SHL.

That's a huge difference compared to Makar who has only played in the AJHL

I am not saying Makar will be a bust, but there's reason enough to be hesitant in drafting Makar high in the 1st.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
Apparently that scout was his mom, so...
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yea? which NHL team is she employed by?

How did you land on that number Lawrence? What did you base that on?
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I was just kinda b sing.

this is kinda based on some elite dmans being able to post ppg at the college level, that said, I then did some research that its not truly neccessary, although to some extent you want to see some "results"

back in 2015, Canucks had 2 dmans playing in college, at the same level.

McNally was 24 years old
Hutton 22 years old

McNally had solid "freshmen year" posting 28 points in 34 games. In his final year he had 21 points in 21 games.

Hutton had 21 points in 41 games. The thing is they could have kept both, but opted to only sign Ben Hutton who averaged half the points, and even made the NHL the following year. Patrick McNally has since been doing really nothing even at the AHL Level.
 
Makar strikes me as a Justin Schultz and Joey LaLeggia hybrid - and he's closer to LaLeggia.

For those ppl that aren't familiar with LaLeggia here's his ppg: BCHL (1.29) and NCAA (0.84). He's great at putting up points but has never made a splash in the show. Similar in production, play style, size and stature - although LaLeggia is a somewhat special case as he can transition between playing forward and defense.

This is the most likely future for Makar - not the Karlsson-esk comps that are being thrown out. Ppl need to take the rose colored glasses off about this kid. He's worth pick from #8 onwards (very risky boom/bust type), but anything higher than that is ridiculous. This hype had made the risk far too immense, because now you'd likely have to take him in the top 5...no thank you
 
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lawrence said:
yea? which NHL team is she employed by?



I was just kinda b sing.

this is kinda based on some elite dmans being able to post ppg at the college level, that said, I then did some research that its not truly neccessary, although to some extent you want to see some "results"

back in 2015, Canucks had 2 dmans playing in college, at the same level.

McNally was 24 years old
Hutton 22 years old

McNally had solid "freshmen year" posting 28 points in 34 games. In his final year he had 21 points in 21 games.

Hutton had 21 points in 41 games. The thing is they could have kept both, but opted to only sign Ben Hutton who averaged half the points, and even made the NHL the following year. Patrick McNally has since been doing really nothing even at the AHL Level.
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The Seattle Metropolitans.

Should've added the sarcasm emoji to my last post.
 
lawrence said:
yea? which NHL team is she employed by?



I was just kinda b sing.

this is kinda based on some elite dmans being able to post ppg at the college level, that said, I then did some research that its not truly neccessary, although to some extent you want to see some "results"

back in 2015, Canucks had 2 dmans playing in college, at the same level.

McNally was 24 years old
Hutton 22 years old

McNally had solid "freshmen year" posting 28 points in 34 games. In his final year he had 21 points in 21 games.

Hutton had 21 points in 41 games. The thing is they could have kept both, but opted to only sign Ben Hutton who averaged half the points, and even made the NHL the following year. Patrick McNally has since been doing really nothing even at the AHL Level.
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McNally lost favour in a big way for getting suspended for cheating.
 
Team 1040 guys (Vancouver sports radio) were talking about the Devils trading down because they favour Makar, or potentially just taking him first overall if possible. The issue is that if they trade down at all they may not get him.
 
Siludin said:
Team 1040 guys (Vancouver sports radio) were talking about the Devils trading down because they favour Makar, or potentially just taking him first overall if possible. The issue is that if they trade down at all they may not get him.
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Wow. Going to have to update the 1st overall bust list in a few years if that happens.

Would be reminiscent of Stefan going 1st OV with the Sedins going 2/3.

If a management team had any insider info/hunch that this was going to happen, they should jump at Dallas for that 3rd pick prior to the draft. Getting Nico or Nolan at 3rd, with the quality depth of this draft would be a steal
 
Someone make a good argument as to how Makar isn't "just" a right handed Brännström but one year older and playing in a kids league.
Seriously, i'd love to hear the argument because i don't see much difference. I'll admit i haven't seen that much of Makar so i could be wrong.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Someone make a good argument as to how Makar isn't "just" a right handed Brännström but one year older and playing in a kids league.
Seriously, i'd love to hear the argument because i don't see much difference. I'll admit i haven't seen that much of Makar so i could be wrong.
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Still waiting to see why everyone thinks Brannstrom should go 20-30 picks above where Girard went last year. That still baffles me.

Makar has 2 inches on Brannstrom, and pretty sure is a more explosive skater.
 
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