D Arttu Kärki - Soo Greyhounds, OHL (2023, 96th, VGK)
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austin63867
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Surprised the conversation is dead here. Have him as a potential late first round pick. See him as a guy who could go in the first 2 rounds.
14 points in the last 6 games at the U20 level.
Tappara doesn't seem to give their junior defenders gametime at pro level this season so seems unlikely he gets called up. Same with Kulonummi.
Tappara doesn't seem to give their junior defenders gametime at pro level this season so seems unlikely he gets called up. Same with Kulonummi.
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I didn’t think he looked special at the U18s but he dominated the U18 games with Tappara last season and definitely looked like a player who can be a high pick there.
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Still surprised the conversation is dead here. Seems like an interesting player. Over a point per game in Finnish juniors this season.
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Yeah, I still have him as a possible R2 pick. My most recent ranking had Karki at 38. I think he could be a steal in the Draft. He's a big high-IQ two-way defender. If he was Arthur Kirwin from the London Knights he'd probably be talked about as High as Round 1.
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This is HFBoards. People post their top 7000 draft lists here. Karki seems good enough to get at least a little more attention. Plus, he's ranked 34th by Central and 81st by FC and 57th by Recruit.
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He plays in the Tappara system. They are not going to use him over their veteran defensemen. Kärki did the best he could considering the circumstances.
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Tomas Hamara played 26 games last season. Kasper Kulonummi played 11 games this season. Both are defensemen and drafted in 2022 draft.
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Yes, so they are older and more experienced than Kärki and therefore in front of him in the system.
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Hamara played 26 Liiga games during his draft season. Kärki has played 0 Liiga games during his draft season.
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Lassi Alanen had this to say about Kärki back in February: (link to article)
"Kärki is still a player with distinct strengths and weaknesses, which probably makes him a rather polarizing player among NHL teams. Ironing out his defensive game and retrievals during the final stretch of the season would go a long way in mitigating some of those concerns."
Sounds like his defensive game is bad and that's probably why he hasn't played any games in Liiga.
"Kärki is still a player with distinct strengths and weaknesses, which probably makes him a rather polarizing player among NHL teams. Ironing out his defensive game and retrievals during the final stretch of the season would go a long way in mitigating some of those concerns."
Sounds like his defensive game is bad and that's probably why he hasn't played any games in Liiga.
JabbaJabba
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Esa Lindell played 0 Liiga games during his draft year. Turned out just fine. It's not the end of the world if a player doesn't get Liiga games in their draft year.
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Yes that's true. But Lindell was also a 3rd round pick. If Kärki was as good as some people are saying here (late first round/second round) I think he would've played at least a couple of games in Liiga. But he didn't. 2 other young defensemen have played for Tappara these past 2 seasons (Hamara, Kulonummi) but not Kärki. And Hamara and Kulonummi are 3rd round picks. That makes me think Kärki is not as good as some are saying and he'll get drafted probably in 3rd round.
Not wrong. In fact, it's wrong to say that it's wrong. It's simply untrue that kärki can only be translated to tip, and in many cases the most natural translation to english would be point, or some other word than tip.
A dagger has a point, and a puukko has a kärki. Triangles and stars typically have points (or vertices), and they typically have kärkeä (sometimes sakaraa) in Finnish. Would you say that ''vitsin kärki'' would be more adequately translated as ''the tip of the joke'' or ''the point of the joke''?
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1. I'd much rather use tip, since point, standalone, makes me think of a variety of other things, such as a point in space.
2. The dagger also has a tip, in fact the point is a part of the tip, so the diagram you have there is a bit misleading.
The claim was that the translation was wrong. It's not. I even provided examples where tip would be incorrect, and point would be the more natural, or even necessary translation. The argument is over.
