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Elias40 said:
You are too optimistic, next year Sweden will rise from the two difficult directives they had under Garpenlöv. It no longer happens that about thirty players refuse to play at WHC. Hallam is an even better coach in crisis situations, he can react to the course of the match if he does not do well, he changes some attacking formations and most importantly, he would never let Nordström or Wallmark play with Nylander. After the end of Garpenlöv, I believe that the air has cleared, it will start completely differently from the beginning and the NHL players will be happy to play for Tre Kronor again. I think some of the rejections were just because of Garpenlö's coach and how he understood the game. Bad coaching is a strong argument to say no and prefer to prepare in America for the new season, it just so happened that Garpenlöv stopped having players' confidence in what he was doing.

Assuming that Canada and Finland maintain the current quality and are in the semifinals, the other two pairs in the semifinals are likely to be from the following teams: Sweden, Switzerland, Slovakia, Czechia, USA and Germany. So two places and six candidates, I believe Sweden, have the highest quality in the NHL, the largest selection of players and they have not had a chance to play for a medal for two years in a row. That in itself is a great motivation and I think they will be there. So Finland, Canada and Sweden will be in the semifinals. There is one place left ... I will not see the Czechia there next year. And I don't even think that with this bronze medal they will suddenly start collecting medals regularly. The Czech commentator said that the first Czech goal against the USA was scored after 237 minutes of play, when no 5vs5 game was played. This is a crazy number, because they scored their goals often in overtime games, but with a balanced number of players on the ice, they were not able to score almost four whole matches. It is a statistical anomaly, as is the fact that Finland received the first goal in weakening from Cozens. There have been more negative things than positive things in the Czech game, there is a huge amount of work ahead of them and now they will have elections, there will be a new president of the federation and a power struggle will begin.

Before the start of the tournament, I wrote that it would end ten years of disgrace and bring a medal. But I can't write that the medal was deserved and won convincingly. But history will not ask about it, they have a medal, they are at point zero and they can start their hockey, so hopefully they will not waste this chance.
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Well about the Swedish coach. They hype this Hallam guy yes, but I've seen this before when Finland's Lauri Marjamäki was supposed to be the next Jukka Jalonen. It turned out Marjamäki who had good merits as a club coach is a horrible tournament coach. Untill this Swedish Hallam guy proves to be a good tournament coach, I won't believe it. Being a good club coach doesn't always translate into being a good tournament coach. In fact one reason why Jukka Jalonen isn't an NHL coach yet might be that he hasn't achieved that much as a club coach. One reason for that might be that a big part of J.Jalonen's career has been as a coach of Finland, while he didn't have club coaching job during those seasons. I see Swedish people crying about Hallam after next WHC just like they did about Garpenlöv and asking Hallam to be fired. The tone will change quickly, just like it did on Marjamäki's case for Finland.

On the Czech team. I think what Czechs need is the same formula as their last gold. If you remember Finland's miraculous 2019 WHC gold win with almost no name players against very stacked Russian and Swedish rosters and much better roster from Canada as well compared to Finland and Finland won the gold regardless. So roster isn't always everything. I believe that you got a champion caliber head coach now. Let me remind you that K.Jalonen could be coaching Finland now if J.Jalonen didn't exist.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that Czech's last gold medal win in 2010 followed similar formula as Finland's 2019 gold win. Underdog team roster wise beat some favorites and got the gold in the end. Czechs need this kind of win now and having a very good coach is a very important for getting this done. It's good that the Czech NHL players and best players want to represent Czech at the moment also. Give K.Jalonen one full season and if he gets a bad result in the next tournament, I'll eat my words, but untill then I think that he will bring the good results for the Czech team.
 
Jalonen after flying back to Prague with the team: "I am happy and tired. I'm not used to celebrating like we celebrated with the boys at the stadium and the hotel." :naughty:

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Mestaruus said:
Well about the Swedish coach. They hype this Hallam guy yes, but I've seen this before when Finland's Lauri Marjamäki was supposed to be the next Jukka Jalonen. It turned out Marjamäki who had good merits as a club coach is a horrible tournament coach. Untill this Swedish Hallam guy proves to be a good tournament coach, I won't believe it. Being a good club coach doesn't always translate into being a good tournament coach. In fact one reason why Jukka Jalonen isn't an NHL coach yet might be that he hasn't achieved that much as a club coach. One reason for that might be that a big part of J.Jalonen's career has been as a coach of Finland, while he didn't have club coaching job during those seasons. I see Swedish people crying about Hallam after next WHC just like they did about Garpenlöv and asking Hallam to be fired. The tone will change quickly, just like it did on Marjamäki's case for Finland.

On the Czech team. I think what Czechs need is the same formula as their last gold. If you remember Finland's miraculous 2019 WHC gold win with almost no name players against very stacked Russian and Swedish rosters and much better roster from Canada as well compared to Finland and Finland won the gold regardless. So roster isn't always everything. I believe that you got a champion caliber head coach now. Let me remind you that K.Jalonen could be coaching Finland now if J.Jalonen didn't exist.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that Czech's last gold medal win in 2010 followed similar formula as Finland's 2019 gold win. Underdog team roster wise beat some favorites and got the gold in the end. Czechs need this kind of win now and having a very good coach is a very important for getting this done. It's good that the Czech NHL players and best players want to represent Czech at the moment also. Give K.Jalonen one full season and if he gets a bad result in the next tournament, I'll eat my words, but untill then I think that he will bring the good results for the Czech team.
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I always felt like 2010 set us up for failure.. we win with our D team and then we started taking shittier rosters to try and emulate that.

Also, 2010 had a very in form Jagr and Vokoun. Along with our most under rated Czech performer at the World's in peak form... Rachunek! Miss that guy!
 
Czechboy said:
then we started taking shittier rosters to try and emulate that.
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Sounds a bit like Jukka Jalonen before this season, except Finland was bit luckier with the small margins to achieve some big things. Patrik Hörnqvist could've hit the empty net on Finland-Sweden QF in 2019 and that would've been it for Finland. He missed the empty net by few inches.

If that had happened, no gold and no Marko Anttila stories and so on. Jukka Jalonen would've been slaughtered by the Finnish media and that could've been the end of Anttila's national team career. We could have Jukka Jalonen with only two titles today if it had gone that way. One WHC title in 2011 and one U20 title in 2016. So instead of 2 big tournament golds he has 5 golds now.
 
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Voodoozz said:
Made a quick vid of Cervenka's 17-point performance, the guy is one my absolute favourites. Enjoy :)

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Really well done...

Glad you included the Flek/Cernoch/Smejkal celebrating.. that may have been my fav shot of the whole tourney.

He was so key to the offence.. scored in important moments and was definitely not just collecting secondary assists.

Only guy on roster with a gold... Czech royalty with guys like Vyborny, Reichel and Straka IMO
 
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Made a quick vid of Cervenka's 17-point performance, the guy is one my absolute favourites. Enjoy :)

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Cervenka was one of the MVP candidates for the tournament along with Granlund, Manninen, Olkinuora and Barzal in my opinion.
 


Well that is unexpected.. guaranteed double the AHL salary if he doesn't make NHL squad too. Seems encouraging. I wanted him at World's. IF he makes it (big IF) I'm guessing a 5/6 affordable D for a few years before returning home. Hope I'm wrong of course.

Joins Jenik and Vejmelka. Can't remember what is happening with Korenar. Jaskin is probably not resigning.haha

Hrubec is off to the NLA... I feel like we have a lot of our people in the Swiss league these days.lol
 


Not enough vanecek love imo.

We had 6 of our best ten and cut another (Chlapik)....

Chytil had 6 goals all season and now has 7 in playoffs lol
 


Probably a good landing spot... lots of talent and a good club. Curious if he cracks NHL right away or spends time in AHL? (hope not)
 
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Hudler ostře proti proudu: Bronz jde za pár hráči, Jalonen tomu nedal nic

Kdo sledoval studia iSport.cz během mistrovství světa, tvář Jiřího Hudlera mu nemohla uniknout. A kdo měl napnuté uši, pochopil, že někdejší dlouholetý útočník Red Wings nepatří do tábora obdivovatelů Kariho Jalonena. „Všechna čest pár klukům, kteří bronz vydřeli sobě a ostatním, ale to je tak...
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Quite harsh words from someone who obviously has a problem with NT. I did not understand at all the criticism that the players allowed themselves to celebrate the medal. Well, we can talk about the fact that the medal was probable before the start due to the circumstances, the competition did not put together strong teams and Russia was missing. But why compare it to losing in the SC final? In one thing, however, he is right that the medal was mainly won by a few players and the rest was hardly average. Players like Stransky or Hronek were useless, what performance they showed would be done by younger and more promising players for the future. He has the right view of Jalonen's ratings, nothing has changed or improved dramatically in the game, but his biggest benefit was that he trusted the team at all times, had no need to name anyone in the newspaper, and except for the Simon-Hronek incident, the players acted coherently. . Jalonen's correct rating will come in a year in May, he will already have a detailed map of the league, he will know who he wants to play his game with, he will know the players not only on the ice but also outside the stadium.
 
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Elias40 said:
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Hudler ostře proti proudu: Bronz jde za pár hráči, Jalonen tomu nedal nic

Kdo sledoval studia iSport.cz během mistrovství světa, tvář Jiřího Hudlera mu nemohla uniknout. A kdo měl napnuté uši, pochopil, že někdejší dlouholetý útočník Red Wings nepatří do tábora obdivovatelů Kariho Jalonena. „Všechna čest pár klukům, kteří bronz vydřeli sobě a ostatním, ale to je tak...
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Quite harsh words from someone who obviously has a problem with NT. I did not understand at all the criticism that the players allowed themselves to celebrate the medal. Well, we can talk about the fact that the medal was probable before the start due to the circumstances, the competition did not put together strong teams and Russia was missing. But why compare it to losing in the SC final? In one thing, however, he is right that the medal was mainly won by a few players and the rest was hardly average. Players like Stransky or Hronek were useless, what performance they showed would be done by younger and more promising players for the future. He has the right view of Jalonen's ratings, nothing has changed or improved dramatically in the game, but his biggest benefit was that he trusted the team at all times, had no need to name anyone in the newspaper, and except for the Simon-Hronek incident, the players acted coherently. . Jalonen's correct rating will come in a year in May, he will already have a detailed map of the league, he will know who he wants to play his game with, he will know the players not only on the ice but also outside the stadium.
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I agree the bronze means nothing.. especially considering we lost to Finland, Sweden and Canada.

However... U18 was also final 4. Good draft and U20 might not get blown out.. maybe.lol
 
Elias40 said:
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Hudler ostře proti proudu: Bronz jde za pár hráči, Jalonen tomu nedal nic

Kdo sledoval studia iSport.cz během mistrovství světa, tvář Jiřího Hudlera mu nemohla uniknout. A kdo měl napnuté uši, pochopil, že někdejší dlouholetý útočník Red Wings nepatří do tábora obdivovatelů Kariho Jalonena. „Všechna čest pár klukům, kteří bronz vydřeli sobě a ostatním, ale to je tak...
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Quite harsh words from someone who obviously has a problem with NT. I did not understand at all the criticism that the players allowed themselves to celebrate the medal. Well, we can talk about the fact that the medal was probable before the start due to the circumstances, the competition did not put together strong teams and Russia was missing. But why compare it to losing in the SC final? In one thing, however, he is right that the medal was mainly won by a few players and the rest was hardly average. Players like Stransky or Hronek were useless, what performance they showed would be done by younger and more promising players for the future. He has the right view of Jalonen's ratings, nothing has changed or improved dramatically in the game, but his biggest benefit was that he trusted the team at all times, had no need to name anyone in the newspaper, and except for the Simon-Hronek incident, the players acted coherently. . Jalonen's correct rating will come in a year in May, he will already have a detailed map of the league, he will know who he wants to play his game with, he will know the players not only on the ice but also outside the stadium.
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I agree.
As for Hronek ... I guess everyone was expecting a little more. However, in my opinion, he didn't play badly in defense at all, after what I saw in the NHL, I expected a much worse game. However, such Stránský is really terrible in the national team.
 
Czechboy said:
I agree the bronze means nothing.. especially considering we lost to Finland, Sweden and Canada.

However... U18 was also final 4. Good draft and U20 might not get blown out.. maybe.lol
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and Austria.

Plus we had 7 of our 10 best players (if you value the golden stick voting).. no one else had close to that. So we also sent a very strong team for our standards and I don't think Palat, Voracek or Necas would improve our defending.lol
 
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We are losing more guys than I thought.... I highlighted who I think will be in the NHL next season. Hope I'm wrong as always!
 
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Sedlak back to NHL? Good for him... 500k minimum if he goes to AHL. Seems like he was promised some first team time! Maybe with Kaut and francouz!

Also .. memorial cup now has Has and Kubicek in decent top 4 roles. Mysak may be joining too!
 


f***!!!!

Literally the only person I have no love for in Czech hockey. I would've taken zachas dad over him.lol
 
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f***!!!!

Literally the only person I have no love for in Czech hockey. I would've taken zachas dad over him.lol
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Good luck for the Czechs for the next two years. The president of the federation, who has done most of the things in his life just for his personal gain, is never a good choice. But the rest of the candidates have a connection to the hockey leadership of the past, these people were present when it didn't work out and these people pushed through a lot of nonsensical things. Of course, apart from Dominik Haska, he has nothing to do with it, but his business is also largely a failure.

When I saw the debate of all five people on TV, they all agreed that little money was spent from the state on hockey or sports. The argument was why culture should have 16 billion Czech crowns and sport 4.6 billion. But I would look at it from the other side ... why should people in government put more money into hockey? Where did the money the government gave hockey end up? What was bought with this money and how has hockey improved? Who got paid beautifully for a few years and still had no responsibility? So why should hockey get more money now? When Czech hockey has repeatedly shown that only a few people were doing well and no one cares about the results? Someone should have said that on TV in that candidate debate, not just saying that there was little money. If people in the federation could work with the resources that hockey received, they would receive more support. Now it is difficult to say what it will be like in the future. Quite a few clubs will have existential problems because energy prices have increased, so support for raising money for sports or hockey will not be high.

It is absolutely embarrassing and ridiculous today to hear Cerny or Scerban lament that children's coaches have little money, and in Sweden or Finland it's just the opposite. I claim this thing for six or seven years, the gentlemen in charge woke up in 2022 in the summer because they feel a chance to be president and now they can show how coaches pay for children adequately. If President Kral did not attract any children, only the senior team and all the U20 in December and January. In 2015, the Czechs had a home WHC tournament, the tournament ended well and Kral announced that part of the profit would go back to the youth. So where did the money really end up and how is it reflected in youth hockey today?

Slegr says something about the federation's medium-term plan to improve competitions and other projects. And in the next sentence, he will say that in order for some things to work, the Ministry of Education must help. This is another stupid thing and a completely bizarre situation. The federation had several years to negotiate cooperation between hockey and schools with the Ministry of Education. Why in Sweden can teenagers or juniors go to the ice at 9 o'clock and come to school at about 11 o'clock and in the Czech Republic children have to go to school early in the morning and after eight o'clock? For God's sake, after all the long years that Czech coaches go to Finland and Sweden for internships, they know this matter and have been able to draw up a plan with the federation on how to connect school and hockey. If the situation was the same in Finland, I bet within a year the cooperation would be signed because both parties are interested. But not in the Czech Republic, everything here lasts for several years and when the agreement is reached, the federation will do a great PR for this matter. This is simply ridiculous Czech hockey and the people who work or have worked in it.
 
Elias40 said:
Good luck for the Czechs for the next two years. The president of the federation, who has done most of the things in his life just for his personal gain, is never a good choice. But the rest of the candidates have a connection to the hockey leadership of the past, these people were present when it didn't work out and these people pushed through a lot of nonsensical things. Of course, apart from Dominik Haska, he has nothing to do with it, but his business is also largely a failure.

When I saw the debate of all five people on TV, they all agreed that little money was spent from the state on hockey or sports. The argument was why culture should have 16 billion Czech crowns and sport 4.6 billion. But I would look at it from the other side ... why should people in government put more money into hockey? Where did the money the government gave hockey end up? What was bought with this money and how has hockey improved? Who got paid beautifully for a few years and still had no responsibility? So why should hockey get more money now? When Czech hockey has repeatedly shown that only a few people were doing well and no one cares about the results? Someone should have said that on TV in that candidate debate, not just saying that there was little money. If people in the federation could work with the resources that hockey received, they would receive more support. Now it is difficult to say what it will be like in the future. Quite a few clubs will have existential problems because energy prices have increased, so support for raising money for sports or hockey will not be high.

It is absolutely embarrassing and ridiculous today to hear Cerny or Scerban lament that children's coaches have little money, and in Sweden or Finland it's just the opposite. I claim this thing for six or seven years, the gentlemen in charge woke up in 2022 in the summer because they feel a chance to be president and now they can show how coaches pay for children adequately. If President Kral did not attract any children, only the senior team and all the U20 in December and January. In 2015, the Czechs had a home WHC tournament, the tournament ended well and Kral announced that part of the profit would go back to the youth. So where did the money really end up and how is it reflected in youth hockey today?

Slegr says something about the federation's medium-term plan to improve competitions and other projects. And in the next sentence, he will say that in order for some things to work, the Ministry of Education must help. This is another stupid thing and a completely bizarre situation. The federation had several years to negotiate cooperation between hockey and schools with the Ministry of Education. Why in Sweden can teenagers or juniors go to the ice at 9 o'clock and come to school at about 11 o'clock and in the Czech Republic children have to go to school early in the morning and after eight o'clock? For God's sake, after all the long years that Czech coaches go to Finland and Sweden for internships, they know this matter and have been able to draw up a plan with the federation on how to connect school and hockey. If the situation was the same in Finland, I bet within a year the cooperation would be signed because both parties are interested. But not in the Czech Republic, everything here lasts for several years and when the agreement is reached, the federation will do a great PR for this matter. This is simply ridiculous Czech hockey and the people who work or have worked in it.
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It's a shitshow and I have no idea how a guy like Hadamczak who is known for nepotism and padding his own pockets will help. I assume he must have a nephew or something coming up and that is why he took the job.lol

There is a interview with Tomas Mazura on hockey.cz and he has a neat perspective as he's played in Czech, NCAA and Finland. He was saying how much more ice time is available in Finland and US. For the NCAA he was saying they arena is open all day and it is their arena so they can skate whenever while in Finland they get a lot of ice time while in Czech it is 60 to 90 minutes with 40 guys. Something like that.. very telling read.
 
Czechboy said:
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We are losing more guys than I thought.... I highlighted who I think will be in the NHL next season. Hope I'm wrong as always!
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Well I was wrong.lol.

Rittich and Hajek got 1 way contracts.
Sustr got a 2 way with a high AHL salary (400k)

Vanecek and Mrazek are now starters.
Francouz should get a lot of games with goergiev.

Palat is a nice part of an emerging new jersey.

Zacha finally got traded.

Boston may have a Czech colony with Krejci, zacha, zboril and isn't Nosek still there?

Detroit has one too.. Zadina, Hronek, vrana and kubalik.

Maybe trades to come and it'll change.

O Kase got a deal in Carolina too.
 
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