So we would ge along worse than scandinavian teams or NA teams ??- that would be embarrassing for both states....
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So we would ge along worse than scandinavian teams or NA teams ??- that would be embarrassing for both states....
If that was the only thing to be embarrassed about in our countries, that would be paradise. 
There's just no need to create an artificial joint team like that. Separate teams were impossible prior to 1989 because of World War II asociations, but those are no longer relevant today. A joint team might perhaps make sense in some marginal sports in which neither country could create a competitive team of its own. That's clearly not the case of hockey, football, etc.
There's that saying, "The whole is larger than the sum of its parts." Well, I'm afraid in terms of a joint hockey team, the exact opposite is true: "The whole would be smaller than its parts on their own."
PS: I'd definitely be in favor of re-establishing the joint hockey, football (etc.) leagues! Not surprisingly, the Czechs apparently are no longer interested...
There's just no need to create an artificial joint team like that. Separate teams were impossible prior to 1989 because of World War II asociations, but those are no longer relevant today. A joint team might perhaps make sense in some marginal sports in which neither country could create a competitive team of its own. That's clearly not the case of hockey, football, etc.
There's that saying, "The whole is larger than the sum of its parts." Well, I'm afraid in terms of a joint hockey team, the exact opposite is true: "The whole would be smaller than its parts on their own."
PS: I'd definitely be in favor of re-establishing the joint hockey, football (etc.) leagues! Not surprisingly, the Czechs apparently are no longer interested...
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Hemsky001
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Two different nations put to the one unit is basically a bad idea. It was a difficult time back than in the late 20's when Czechs and Slovaks banded together. Czechs had problems with the German minority and Slovaks had their own problems with the Hungarian minority (much bigger problem than the Czechs were undergoing). These two nations needed each other back then to create a bigger and more significant unit. Czechs squeezed the Hungarians out of the "Felvidék" (Hungarian designation for Slovakia and it means mountainous country) by the military force as they were claiming that territory as their own. Both nations build some idyllic partnership or I would call that almost a symbiosis. As the time passed and there were less threats in the region, that partnership became much less important for both nations. Slovaks dreamed up their own state and enforced a dash in the state name from Czechoslovakia to Czecho-Slovakian federative republic. It's even called the "dash war". So after the Czechs helped the Slovaks to stand them up on their feet, build many factories, sent teachers, policemen and lots of money to the east of Slovakia... guess what happened... Slovaks wanted to split up. 
Alright so these two nations split up peacefully 50-50!!! - It's good to mention there are 10 milions of Czechs and 5 milions of Slovaks. Lot of Czechs still fail to forgive them but also lot of them call themselves the Czechoslovaks. They say they were born like the Czechoslovaks so they're still Czechoslovaks even after the split up.
So much about the history. Is the common team a good idea? Hell no. That historic ***** would come out again and again and no one wants anything like that. I think the common league may be a good idea but definitely not a common national team. Both nations are very serious when it comes to hockey and if the split up didn't provoke a war... well this might cause it.
Alright so these two nations split up peacefully 50-50!!! - It's good to mention there are 10 milions of Czechs and 5 milions of Slovaks. Lot of Czechs still fail to forgive them but also lot of them call themselves the Czechoslovaks. They say they were born like the Czechoslovaks so they're still Czechoslovaks even after the split up.
So much about the history. Is the common team a good idea? Hell no. That historic ***** would come out again and again and no one wants anything like that. I think the common league may be a good idea but definitely not a common national team. Both nations are very serious when it comes to hockey and if the split up didn't provoke a war... well this might cause it.
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Two different nations put to the one unit is basically a bad idea. It was a difficult time back than in the late 20's when Czechs and Slovaks banded together. Czechs had problems with the German minority and Slovaks had their own problems with the Hungarian minority (much bigger problem than the Czechs were undergoing). These two nations needed each other back then to create a bigger and more significant unit. Czechs squeezed the Hungarians out of the "Felvidék" (Hungarian designation for Slovakia and it means mountainous country) by the military force as they were claiming that territory as their own. Both nations build some idyllic partnership or I would call that almost a symbiosis. As the time passed and there were less threats in the region, that partnership became much less important for both nations. Slovaks dreamed up their own state and enforced a dash in the state name from Czechoslovakia to Czecho-Slovakian federative republic. It's even called the "dash war". So after the Czechs helped the Slovaks to stand them up on their feet, build many factories, sent teachers, policemen and lots of money to the east of Slovakia... guess what happened... Slovaks wanted to split up.
Alright so these two nations split up peacefully 50-50!!! - It's good to mention there are 10 milions of Czechs and 5 milions of Slovaks. Lot of Czechs still fail to forgive them but also lot of them call themselves the Czechoslovaks. They say they were born like the Czechoslovaks so they're still Czechoslovaks even after the split up.
So much about the history. Is the common team a good idea? Hell no. That historic ***** would come out again and again and no one wants anything like that. I think the common league may be a good idea but definitely not a common national team. Both nations are very serious when it comes to hockey and if the split up didn't provoke a war... well this might cause it.
So its obviously easier to send players to All star team for Wc than to joint team in case of union tourney. This was just a hypothetical case which never happen. I am quite ashamed that we cant go over some small issues in that case even if we are closest nations among them who should built this teams.... You guys seriously looking just for problems.....How many people call themselfs czechoslovaks?? I dont remember anybody saying that, even people with dual citizenship.And if this is case I bet they wouldnt oppose joint team.....
Of course, because no one gives a **** about that all-star team and the entire Mickey Mouse tourney. If Slovak players decided to completely boycott the tourney, that'd be OK with me. Whereas if a joint team is the only national team you have, it's all-important.
Ivo
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I'm not sure how good of an idea it is, but as a Slovak I would certainly watch and cheer for team Czechoslovakia (even if it had at most 6 Slovak players). It would be infinitely better than watching the rest of Europe bull*** team.
Jesus Christ Horburn
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World Cup is not a 'real' hockey tourny. So, why not:
Gaborik-Krejci (A)-Voracek
Palat-Plekanec (A)-Hossa
Tatar-Elias-Hudler
Frolik-Hanzal-Vrbata
Chara (C)-Sekera
Hejda-Visnovsky
Michalek-Zidlicky
Halak
Mrazek
Gaborik-Krejci (A)-Voracek
Palat-Plekanec (A)-Hossa
Tatar-Elias-Hudler
Frolik-Hanzal-Vrbata
Chara (C)-Sekera
Hejda-Visnovsky
Michalek-Zidlicky
Halak
Mrazek
Doshell Propivo
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slovakiasnextone
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Not enough Slovaks.
More than at any WC between 1971-1992 with the exception of 1986 (also 7 Slovaks)
If there regularly were 7 Slovaks on the Czechoslovak NT I doubt anywhere near as many people would complain about the lack of Slovaks on the NT than they have been/or are still complaining today.
Just looking at the numbers between 1971-1992 on average 3, 3 Slovaks played on the Czechoslovak WC team. With numbers like that it can be hardly shocking that people would complain about that, isn't it?
DarrylshutzSydor
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Elias wouldnt make it IMo.
Gaborik - Krejci - Hossa
Tatar - Plekanec - Voracek
Palat - Hudler - Vrbata
Michalek - Hanzal - Frolik
(Hertl,Pastrnak)
Same defence
Fish on The Sand
Untouchable
A combined Scandinavia team would just be Sweden plus Zuccarello and possibly Boedker or Eller. I'm not sure why Finland would care that much one way or the other, It would have a similar impact as a combined Russia/Belarus.
Well Mkoivu, Filppula ,Granlund and Barkov might make team + 2 goalies 
. In future Vatanen Määttä Barkov Granlund perhaps Ristolainen Puljujärvi K.Kapanen Teräväinen etc would make team ''scandinavia'' i Guess about 8 finns would make it 5 years from now in future
. In future Vatanen Määttä Barkov Granlund perhaps Ristolainen Puljujärvi K.Kapanen Teräväinen etc would make team ''scandinavia'' i Guess about 8 finns would make it 5 years from now in future
And the 1986 Worlds were a disaster for Czechoslovakia, which finished fifth, which was perceived as an outrage, particularly for a defending World Champion.More than at any WC between 1971-1992 with the exception of 1986 (also 7 Slovaks)
The culprit was easily found: too many Slovaks on the roster!
So in the following years until the breakup of Czechoslovakia, the number of Slovaks on the national team was reduced even more drastically than before 1986. The Slovak captain of the 1985 World Champions team, Dárius Rusnák, basically got a national team ban after that 1986 disaster, because whom else would you blame for such a bad result, other than team captain, right? This is not a comedy thread, although it may look like it.
Doshell Propivo
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Of course they would. They would complain there should've been 8. Or 10. The 85 NT team was comprised of approximately a 25% Slovak roster, a Slovak captain and won the GOLD medal. And what's the refrain? Satisfaction of being world champion? Nope. It is "gruesome" and "horrible" that more Slovaks weren't included on the national team.
Eh? Check your math.
There were only 4 Slovaks on the 1985 gold team, so that's something like 17%. Forget it... I'm just happy we don't need to deal with this ever again.
Doshell Propivo
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eh? Check your math.
4/19 = 21%
Tut tut...Kessel couldn't even make our team...Kane would!
Eichel could probably make it, in a few years...
tony d
New poll series coming from me in June
Even if he could make it as an extra, on talent, debatable, he's considered mercurial/ not very coach-able, basically a problem child...not HC material ( were he Canadian )for that reason alone...
In a combined CAN-AM team, most ( not all ) of the Yanks would be bubble guys , picked for political reasons. On paper, team wouldn't be as good. On ice, difference might be negligible. Most likely, team would still win the tourney...
North American balance of power, hockey wise, might change in the future. Then again, people been saying that for 20years, and Yanks haven't closed gap. High water mark still seems to be their 1996 World Cup team...
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Pominville Knows
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Perhaps. But it may be another question to just chalk it up as discrimination. Slovakia has much less people then Chech Republic, and hockey is apparantly not everywhere to be seen there. Cant expect more then 6 players at any given time and that is perhaps still not factoring in everything.
Obviously there could have been some of it, but i know it's easier to just think the worst about everything at any time.
The ratio is roughly 2:1 (10 million to 5 million), so on a purely numerical/proportional basis, there should be 7 or 8 Slovak players on every Czechoslovakia roster.
Of course, talent doesn't follow numbers. See the 1976 Euro football Championships, when Czechoslovakia won gold and most of the players were Slovak.
In any case, to see only 1, 2, 3, 4 Slovaks on most of those hockey Worlds rosters over the years is absurd.
Nonsense.
It's pretty evenly spread out throughout all the major Slovak regions. The same applies to Slovak NHL stars – they're from all the major Slovak hockey regions. No difference compared to Czech Republic. Our countries are small, it's not like the US where hockey is worshipped in Minnesota but practically an unknown/exotic sport in Arizona. 
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