Tawnos
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And what are the requirements for him keeping his sportsbook?
CXLVIII - Coyotes owner Alex Meruelo had 'productive' meeting with Phoenix mayor
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And what are the requirements for him keeping his sportsbook?
Merulo should take the cash and disappear. That's what I would do.
I've never worked in pro sports so I haven't been through a franchise meeting move, but I did used to work for a software company that got bought by a much larger company. And it's weird the things that come to mind in such a situation and the questions that I ou and the other employees end up asking.
A lot of these players also probably have very little idea about what happens when teams move. The last NHL franchise move was 13 years ago. The current Yotes roster was between the ages of 7 and 19 when it happened. Add in the possibility for a replacement expansion team in Arizona and I can just imagine the questions asked.
"So, are we just going to play in Utah until the new arena here gets built and the players all come back to Arizona and Utah gets an expansion draft of new players? If so, do I have to come back or can I stay in Utah if I want?"
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There will be some but a large number of any team's fanbase have little clue about the ownership or the front office of their team. They like to watch hockey and when they do, they cheer for their team and pay little attention to any behind the scenes stuff.
It would be a Cleveland Browns situation where the new team starts with new players, expansion draft, etc. They may try and bring back some former Coyotes players. The Browns had 3 of them.
Most likely, yes. But that question was just an example of the sort of questions that might be floating through a player's mind right now.
As for the Cleveland Browns, it's interesting to note that when the Browns returned in 1999, the oldest current Coyote was only 7 and many on the team were not even born yet.
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SunDancer
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Curious. In general what do Coyotes fans think of Mereulo's ownership since he took over 5 years ago? On a scale of 1 to 10 what grade would he get and where would he rank among the Coyotes' past owners? Best? Worst? Or somewhere in between?
I'm a longtime Coyotes fan (since 01-02) and would begrudgingly rate him the best owner the team has had in that time span. Then again, that's not saying much.
joestevens29
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I mean a lot of those questions players would've already had given what has been happening.
I also have yet to see anything close to alluding to the third paragraph. Seems like if anyone has that question it's a simple answer
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Are you also hearing the same thing that's been mentioned in this thread? That, if this whole thing happens (relocation to SLC and reinstate the Coyotes later), people won't support the new team if Meruelo is still the owner?
I am, and I'd still rate him ahead of owners like Jerry Moyes and the IceArizona clowns.
Fidel Astro
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I think the potential for the Coyotes to leave and for AZ to get another team a few years later brings up another important element that doesn't get discussed enough: the "franchise records".
As a Winnipegger who grew up watching Jets 1.0 and now supports Jets 2.0, I think it's beyond ridiculous that Winnipeg's hockey history technically "belongs" to the current Coyotes franchise -- and that Winnipeg "owns" the Thrashers history -- especially considering how the current Jets franchise has gone above and beyond to recognize the CITY's hockey history, with throwback uniforms, the Jets' Hall of Fame, the statue of Dale Hawerchuk, etc.
If the Coyotes move, that's going to make things way more confusing. Assuming AZ goes to Salt Like and then gets an AZ2 a few years down the line, here's what we're looking at:
AZ1 owns WPG1 history
SLC owns WPG1 and AZ1 history
WPG2 owns ATL2 history
CGY owns ATL1 history
AZ2 has its own history with no connection to AZ1
...and then if we get an ATL3 somewhere down the line.
Not to mention:
COL 2 owns QC1
COL1 went to KC, both of which are now NJ
CAL (Seals) went to CLE which merged with MIN1, which is owned by DAL
MIN2 is its own thing with no connection to MIN1
CAR owns HFD
...and then there's a massive cluster of nonsense if you want to include the early NHL teams like the Maroons, Bulldogs, original Senators, etc.
I don't know who we have to petition to change this, but it's a gigantic clusterf***.
No one in Winnipeg gives a shit about the Thrashers. No offence. We all still care about the original Jets, and no one in Airzona gives a shit about them.
If Atlanta gets another team, THOSE fans will likely remember the Thrashers (and maybe even the OG Flames). That history is important to them. It's meaningless in Winnipeg. We have our own hockey history we're celebrating that skips over the Thrashers (and Coyotes) entirely.
Do you think the new fans in Salt Lake will give a shit about what happened in Winnipeg in the '80s? Of course not. But we do here in Winnipeg. And if Arizona gets a new team a few years down the line, guaranteed those fans will have a strong connection to the Coyotes history.
Records should go with the city, where they matter. Not the franchise. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
As a Winnipegger who grew up watching Jets 1.0 and now supports Jets 2.0, I think it's beyond ridiculous that Winnipeg's hockey history technically "belongs" to the current Coyotes franchise -- and that Winnipeg "owns" the Thrashers history -- especially considering how the current Jets franchise has gone above and beyond to recognize the CITY's hockey history, with throwback uniforms, the Jets' Hall of Fame, the statue of Dale Hawerchuk, etc.
If the Coyotes move, that's going to make things way more confusing. Assuming AZ goes to Salt Like and then gets an AZ2 a few years down the line, here's what we're looking at:
AZ1 owns WPG1 history
SLC owns WPG1 and AZ1 history
WPG2 owns ATL2 history
CGY owns ATL1 history
AZ2 has its own history with no connection to AZ1
...and then if we get an ATL3 somewhere down the line.
Not to mention:
COL 2 owns QC1
COL1 went to KC, both of which are now NJ
CAL (Seals) went to CLE which merged with MIN1, which is owned by DAL
MIN2 is its own thing with no connection to MIN1
CAR owns HFD
...and then there's a massive cluster of nonsense if you want to include the early NHL teams like the Maroons, Bulldogs, original Senators, etc.
I don't know who we have to petition to change this, but it's a gigantic clusterf***.
No one in Winnipeg gives a shit about the Thrashers. No offence. We all still care about the original Jets, and no one in Airzona gives a shit about them.
If Atlanta gets another team, THOSE fans will likely remember the Thrashers (and maybe even the OG Flames). That history is important to them. It's meaningless in Winnipeg. We have our own hockey history we're celebrating that skips over the Thrashers (and Coyotes) entirely.
Do you think the new fans in Salt Lake will give a shit about what happened in Winnipeg in the '80s? Of course not. But we do here in Winnipeg. And if Arizona gets a new team a few years down the line, guaranteed those fans will have a strong connection to the Coyotes history.
Records should go with the city, where they matter. Not the franchise. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
With how difficult the Wolves are, I can't see SLC giving up their AHL team. I think it'll end up getting moved from Tuscon to Boise in the long term plans.
Carolina's best hope is trying to own a team during the next round of expansion.
Are the Bears that bad? Seems like they've had a good relationship with the Caps forever.
But I do think expanding by one makes sense
Tawnos
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Interesting. I'd have thought that he'd at least have some support in that scenario because he ultimately did what he needed to in order to save the team and set them up long-term, even if it were on hiatus for a few years. Definitely going to be some unintended consequences from all of this.
TheLegend
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At the current moment..... Everywhere.
Even if Merulo came out himself and apologized to the fans, offered a feasible story that the NHL didn't give him much choice..... goes and wins the auction and builds the arena, people are not going to buy in.
Hershey cannot be moved or relocated or promoted.....it's a trust it's why it's the 7th oldest hockey franchise that isn't in the NHL.... AND HAS a long-term development contract in place w/ Washington
I mean the stuff coming out about him not paying for team hotels, etc. make it seem like he is an abysmal owner who has essentially forced the league to act under pressure from the PA. If it's true that even Morgan has dirt on him he's withheld so far, I feel like Coyotes fans would be very justified in thinking Meruelo ultimately cost them a team the NHL was previously willing to light money on fire to keep in AZ
KevFu
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For the NHL and AM to do an about-face, total 180 on "NHL in Phoenix" makes far less sense to me than the NHL deciding "We like Salt Lake and are willing to add a team there in the next 5 years or so..." And Smith saying "don't make me wait, I have a building and the Coyotes don't. Trade me their roster for my expansion draft."
As in, we're not talking about a "you MIGHT be able to come back," we're talking about "as long as an arena shovel goes in the ground, you're GUARANTEED to come back."
I believe that the Harris County- Houston Sports Authority is a full blown government agency, and it's not just a "county can't help financially," situation, but that they just can't ALLOW a competing sports venue.
I've said this multiple times already but.....Good situations attract good owners. This hasn't been a good situation so.....
LadyStanley
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LadyStanley
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Someone posted the Rockets lease agreement a while back. I remember it saying that the Rockets couldn't prevent an NHL team from moving into the arena (they would only get game day revenues) but the country couldn't financially support another one. I don't remember them saying that they couldn't allow someone building one on their own. That's why the discussion on Woodlands came up. So if AM decided to build something in Katy, Texas (I just picked that because its the only suburb of Houston I can name off the top of my head since I've been there) there didn't seem to be anything to stop him.
Unless someone had the money and desire like Ballmer does for his Clippers to spend money to build an arena in AZ, it was an uphill climb from day 1.
AZ seems to have some major issues with their sports stadiums with the teams coming and asking for handouts.
Suns got $160 mill from PHX to reno Footprint and extended lease by 15 years to 2037. 13 years from now, see what happens.
Diamondbacks, looking for 9 figures as well for their ballpark.
And you have the NHL.
Ideal world, both NBA/NHL either under 1 owner so easier to deal with, or they work together like Mavs/Stars for a new arena. But, since Suns control Footprint, it's a step back to share with NHL team as separate owners.
The agreement I believe has a clause that the county can't contribute to a new arena that is within X miles of the Toyota Center. Probably also means that the county can't approve zoning for a private one either, but not sure on that.
NHL business wise, I doubt can survive on just game day revenues. Think every NHL club is the primary tenant, have same owner, or split evenly (ala Dallas).
That's why for the NHL to get into Houston, has to be with the Rockets owner basically. And if he doesn't want to pay what the NHL wants, they can't go to Houston.
Do any of your suggestions of Katy/Woodlands make sense for an arena location that is convenient for fans to get to?
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