CXLIX - FINAL thoughts on the Arizona Coyotes

[TheLegend]

I could be completely off on this, as a very casual very outside observer. The impression I get is it is the laws and politics which is more the issue than ownership, fan support, arena location, etc.

Not as much as you may think.

There's been a long history of pro sports leagues in Arizona taking advantage of the public's generosity towards forking up funds to build them facilities. But IMO the recession in 2008 changed all that.

The Coyotes were probably the most publicized of them all (fueled by the revolving door of ownerships), but the other three major pro teams have contributed their own share of issues.

 

[aqib]

Not as much as you may think.

There's been a long history of pro sports leagues in Arizona taking advantage of the public's generosity towards forking up funds to build them facilities. But IMO the recession in 2008 changed all that.

The Coyotes were probably the most publicized of them all (fueled by the revolving door of ownerships), but the other three major pro teams have contributed their own share of issues.

The ability of citizens to overrule government while not unique to Arizona, isn't something every state has. Not every state lets citizens force an issue on the ballot. The whole Goldwater Institute threatening a lawsuit is also something I hadn't seen in other arena issues.

 

[TheLegend]

The ability of citizens to overrule government while not unique to Arizona, isn't something every state has. Not every state lets citizens force an issue on the ballot. The whole Goldwater Institute threatening a lawsuit is also something I hadn't seen in other arena issues.

Arizona legislature in recent years has been trying to make it more difficult for citizen initiatives to exist. Don’t see them having any success anytime soon but it also hasn’t stopped them from just ignoring them and coming up with a workaround.

 

[GKJ]

We are so back

 

[rojac]

So, let's say Seravalli is right and let's assume Ishiba is the one to buy an NHL franchise and that it is due to start play in 2029. That is 9 years after the renovations so maybe too early for the city to splurge more for renovations.. But I could see them being ready to support a renovation or a new arena in the 2032-2035 time period. I think if an agreement in place for a new or renovated building in the 2032-2035 period, the NHL would happily have an Arizona team play in an unrenovated Footprint for 3-6 years.

But as usual, I could be wrong.

Of course, the funniest result would be Ishiba buying the Jets and moving them to Arizona.

 

[StreetHawk]

So, let's say Seravalli is right and let's assume Ishiba is the one to buy an NHL franchise and that it is due to start play in 2029. That is 9 years after the renovations so maybe too early for the city to splurge more for renovations.. But I could see them being ready to support a renovation or a new arena in the 2032-2035 time period. I think if an agreement in place for a new or renovated building in the 2032-2035 period, the NHL would happily have an Arizona team play in an unrenovated Footprint for 3-6 years.

But as usual, I could be wrong.

Of course, the funniest result would be Ishiba buying the Jets and moving them to Arizona.

City has a lease with the suns til 2037. So no rush for them. But I do think the city knows they need to build a new one once the lease expires.

But no reason to look to build another one that quickly unless ishiba is willing to pay a greater portion of the costs to get an nhl team earlier and thus end the lease at footprint for the suns and go into the new arena. Assuming that the new arena remains in Phoenix and not Tempe or Scottsdale or somewhere else.