Dirty Old Man
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How did Nashville do in the playoffs in 2020?
CXLIV - The Tempe era set to begin as ASU opens Mullett Arena
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Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
Forgive me for overlooking the farce that was the Covid Cup where all but 7 teams made the "playoffs". Under the standard 16 team format, they wouldn't have qualified.
Barclay Donaldson
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They're not trying to win.
Neither are San José, Chicago, Anaheim, Columbus, Montréal, and Detroit. Four of them are lower in the standings by a "not insignificant" margin. I don't see you going after them for purposely being noncompetitive.
The only reason you are singling out Arizona is because you have an anti-Arizona narrative. Whether that's justified or not, it doesn't really matter. It is lunacy on your part in the very least and at the very most it is extreme hypocrisy.
Unless you have the exact same opinion of the Pittsburgh Penguins in the early 2000s attracting an average turnstile count in the 6,000-8,000 range, in a dilapidated arena, finishing with fewer points in the standings than the Coyotes will this season, even owning an 18 game losing streak, making questionable moves with local authorities to acquire a new arena, etc., find a new narrative because the one you have is nonsensical.
Stumbledore
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Wow! Projecting much?
Before you get too wrapped up in your victim-hood, go back and read posts 989 and 999. Read carefully and you might notice that NOWHERE do I mention Arizona. And yet you reply with "The only reason you are singling out Arizona" and accuse me of lunacy and hypocrisy.
I did NOT single out Arizona. My opinion was NOT about any of the other teams you mentioned. If wasn't about ANY team at all. Go back and read those posts again, I'll wait.
My opinion was merely about someone paying a lot of money to see athletes who are not trying to win. That surprised me, that's all. Nothing less, nothing more.
YOU decided to make it about Arizona. I won't comment further about what that says about you.
BKIslandersFan
F*** off
Forgive me if I am wrong. It aren’t you one of those people that advocates for teams in the south to move to Canada because fans don’t want to come and watch bad product?
Stumbledore
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No. And yes, you are wrong.
And thank you for asking instead of just making shit up.
BKIslandersFan
F*** off
Dirty Old Man
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Stumbledore:
Also Stumbledore:
(this didn't take long; the posting search engine on here is pretty good. there are plenty of other examples).
Also, to oblige "you're petty!"
Barclay Donaldson
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Your original comment was in direct response to someone saying Arizona was not trying to win this season. You didn't have to mention Arizona. You were responding to someone only talking about Arizona.
I see someone else found you taking the piss out of Arizona for some illogical reasons and called you out for it. Your only response for them was they had to go back a few pages to find it and that was somehow a negative against them.
The lesson you should take out of this is some cross between "people will call you out for your ****" and "whoever smelt it, dealt it" for that nonsensical projecting comment.
TheLegend
"Just say it 3 times..."
Watching you two fight over my team is something to behold….
Seriously…. I think the underlying issue here is… no matter what market the league is in, it’s that they do it right.
Arizona has been THE perfect example of what not to do. That aside… there nothing that precludes the notion that you can’t remedy that.
Seriously…. I think the underlying issue here is… no matter what market the league is in, it’s that they do it right.
Arizona has been THE perfect example of what not to do. That aside… there nothing that precludes the notion that you can’t remedy that.
To slightly steer it back to the rails...Watching you two fight over my team is something to behold….
Seriously…. I think the underlying issue here is… no matter what market the league is in, it’s that they do it right.
Arizona has been THE perfect example of what not to do. That aside… there nothing that precludes the notion that you can’t remedy that.
...it's not an unfair question to ask how much of a rebuild a market like Arizona's can sustain. What we know from history is that pretty much *any* market save for three to five franchises will experience a downturn in interest and thus attendance & ratings if they lose long enough. It's a matter of what constitutes "long enough" in the market you're in.
So that said: It's fair to ask how much erosion this fanbase can endure through an extensive rebuild + arena build when we're in Year 11 of a .455 point average with only one playoff appearance (which occurred in a crowdless environment).
But it's also fair to note that assuming the Tempe initiative passes (and all indications I've seen is that it will), then I think you have an owner that's almost going to treat this like an expansion situation. Not just in terms of the team's roster itself but in terms of the fanbase. Like "if I have to build a new fanbase wholecloth, so be it." If this leads to even smaller crowds that before, he's gonna tough it out and there will be no point in complaining about it.
Put another way: the Coyotes brand already has a lot of notches against it in terms of its marketability.....what difference does it make taking another five years to rebuild it as long as you do it right if the alternative is rushing a rebuild to be mediocre just to go from a bad brand to a slighlty-less-bad-brand?
KevFu
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In general, fans aren't dumb. There's a lot of people who say dumb things and think dumb things; but at the same time... there are fans tracking finishing last for the #1 draft pick; message boards and sites where people talk about how sports is a business. Everyone KNOWS it's a business.
The idea that the market of Phoenix won't support the Coyotes because they're rebuilding again while trying to get a Tempe arena built as they play in a 5000-seat arena for a few years after getting kicked out of Swift City is ridiculous.
The actual fans of the Coyotes know exactly what's going on and understand selling at the deadline is in their team's best interest.
Playing in Swift City the whole time for low revenues due to how far out west it is, and now playing in a college arena with a overall bad roster most the time only prevents the team from generating NEW FANS.
Playoff runs gaining the city's attention and an easily accessible arena helps generate new fans; and that's what they're missing. But they've been missing it for almost 20 years now.
The idea that the market of Phoenix won't support the Coyotes because they're rebuilding again while trying to get a Tempe arena built as they play in a 5000-seat arena for a few years after getting kicked out of Swift City is ridiculous.
The actual fans of the Coyotes know exactly what's going on and understand selling at the deadline is in their team's best interest.
Playing in Swift City the whole time for low revenues due to how far out west it is, and now playing in a college arena with a overall bad roster most the time only prevents the team from generating NEW FANS.
Playoff runs gaining the city's attention and an easily accessible arena helps generate new fans; and that's what they're missing. But they've been missing it for almost 20 years now.
People in Arizona, have you heard of the site wranglernews.com? Does it have any following or credibility out there?
TheLegend
"Just say it 3 times..."
Yeah I stumbled over it. I was curious if this was something that was popular/respected or is it like the local version of the National Equirer.
Dirty Old Man
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I've lived here 30 years, and very close to but not in the regions they cover (Tempe and West Chandler)...and I'd never heard of it until you posted that link.
sawchuk1971
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rumor from elliott friedman...
some owners are fed up with the coyotes situation..
www.hockeyfeed.com
some owners are fed up with the coyotes situation..
Rumor: NHL finally losing patience with the Arizona Coyotes.
Has the NHL had it with the Coyotes?
This isn't new. There have been rumors for a long time that the other owners don't like it.rumor from elliott friedman...
some owners are fed up with the coyotes situation..
Rumor: NHL finally losing patience with the Arizona Coyotes.
Has the NHL had it with the Coyotes?
As much as Bettman works for the owners but he is a stronger commissioner than others. He has been there longer than most of the owners. I can't think of a case where an owner has gone up against Bettman and won. It would take a coordinated uprising with a few owners working together. I don't see that happening.
TheLegend
"Just say it 3 times..."
You'd think there'd be a bigger uproar that Tampa Bay stashed players on LITR until the playoffs. And did it two consecutive years.
It's just funny that the Coyotes have the 6th best record in the league since the all-star break even after they traded off most of their top players at the TDL.
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TheLegend
"Just say it 3 times..."
BTW... I said things were going to get nastier....
The "No" campaign began characterizing Alex Meruelo as a "corrupt billionaire" as few days ago in signage around Tempe.
Meruelo responded with a cease and desist order.
The "No" campaign began characterizing Alex Meruelo as a "corrupt billionaire" as few days ago in signage around Tempe.
Meruelo responded with a cease and desist order.
"A prominent Hispanic business leader who seeks to transform an old landfill into a new entertainment district" wow talk about spin.
BrokenFace
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That's such a telling statement. This arena project is Arizona's last chance, and I've always been in favor of the Coyotes staying. So much hinges on Meruelo being a legitimate businessman. If he's not and can't get this done, it's definitely time for the NHL to look at a different market.
Dirty Old Man
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Funny you think it's spin. Show the inaccurate or misleading part. Then follow that up - since I'm sure you want them to win - with proof of the other side's contention of corruption.
I didn't say inaccurate but pointing out that he is a "prominent Hispanic business leader" makes it out as if the opposition to the arena is based in his race. Now I am sure there are racists in Arizona just like any place but I sincerely doubt that a significant portion of the opposition to the deal is because of AM's race. There are plenty of reasons to oppose the arena including simply just not wanting a 16K seat arena in their city.
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