CXLIV - The Tempe era set to begin as ASU opens Mullett Arena

[BlueSeal]

and weren't they deferred......

Not in the slightest.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Not in the slightest.

yes, they were...... btw, Golden Seal.... when have the Quebec Remparts ever been a professional franchise, not members of the Hockey Canada/QMJHL/Canadian Juniors system

 

[BlueSeal]

yes, they were...... btw, Golden Seal.... when have the Quebec Remparts ever been a professional franchise, not members of the Hockey Canada/QMJHL/Canadian Juniors system

How quickly we forget about the Nordiques. Try harder.

 

[AZDesertKnight]

Meanwhile, Quebec City patiently waits.

They'll be waiting forever.. far behind Kansas City & Houston and the NHL will never expand there.

 

[BlueSeal]

They'll be waiting forever.. far behind Kansas City & Houston and the NHL will never expand there.

The NHL (Bettman actually) seems more concerned with pumping money into a past bankrupt franchise that’s now playing at a college rink under hilarious conditions, waiting for a magic stadium to be constructed out of the land of imagination and fantasy, the very things the NHL (Bettman) claims they’re against.

They said the same thing about Winnipeg and yet the Jets ride again. Nordiques will be back too, just a matter of time.

Bettman is against Quebec because if they got their team back it means he failed and his ego matters more than the spirit of the sport.

 

[PredsHead]

Does anyone know what "re-shoring the Rio Salado riverbed levee" would actually entail?

 

[TheLegend]

How quickly we forget about the Nordiques. Try harder.

Everyone who’s been following this saga knows what happened to the Nordiques and why their recent attempt to get an expansion franchise didn’t pass the muster.

You’re complaining to the wrong people.

 

[TheLegend]

Does anyone know what "re-shoring the Rio Salado riverbed levee" would actually entail?

Gutierrez described it as “building a bathtub”. I’m presuming that the excavation will leave the levee on the south side of Rio Salado weaker so they will need to build a pretty robust retaining wall up against it for support.

It wouldn’t matter at this point since there’s no water in that segment of the riverbed (the dam is well east of the site). But there is a possibility Tempe could move the dam west expanding the lake at a later date.

All that of course depend on Sky Harbor not objecting to it because of increased chances of a bird strike (and they have a legitimate claim there)

 

[Stumbledore]

But there is a possibility Tempe could move the dam west expanding the lake at a later date.

I remember when just moving the goalposts was enough to cause a ruckus.

 

[PredsHead]

Gutierrez described it as “building a bathtub”. I’m presuming that the excavation will leave the levee on the south side of Rio Salado weaker so they will need to build a pretty robust retaining wall up against it for support.

It wouldn’t matter at this point since there’s no water in that segment of the riverbed (the dam is well east of the site). But there is a possibility Tempe could move the dam west expanding the lake at a later date.

All that of course depend on Sky Harbor not objecting to it because of increased chances of a bird strike (and they have a legitimate claim there)

Thanks do you know if that was also done for other new buildings in the area? May be a pretty standard thing but seems like it could be an issue if not handled properly.

 

[TheLegend]

So are phase 1A and 1B done together or just working on one at a time? If its just one at a time then this is pretty much just Westgate 2.0 correct? Build the arena and a little retail and hope it provides the revenue to do the rest? Also the $40M initial payment is effectively for the land itself and the city doesn't get the money? It would all go to the remediation contractors?

Westgate 2.0 is a fair comparison. With the major difference in the arena isn’t being built by the city.

The $40M is for the land in Phase 1. It’s non-refundable. So if the project goes south before he can get a shovel in the ground the city keeps it.

Remediation will be covered by the bonds in increments. It’s safe to presume though that $40M will backstop the remediation at the outset.

As indicated in the summary though…. Final price for the land will be determined POST remediation (meaning the city could get more for the parcel)

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

and weren't they deferred......

More like deterred iykwis

 

[TheLegend]

I remember when just moving the goalposts was enough to cause a ruckus.

A dam is not a goalpost (nice try anyway).

The Coyotes don't care is the dam gets moved or not. That's up to Tempe. Would be foolish though to not be prepared for it.

 

[Stumbledore]

A dam is not a goalpost (nice try anyway).

Wow, you snipe even at lame humour.

Gotta get that under control and get your earlier reputation back.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Yeah, but people can actually walk to games or take public transit.. That was the most apples to oranges comparison I've ever seen.

I can't comment on the Phoenix area but I do live in the Boston suburbs. Our public transit isn't as good as you think it is.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I can't comment on the Phoenix area but I do live in the Boston suburbs. Our public transit isn't as good as you think it is.

The T is adequate if you live in the city. Anyone coming from outside the city limits from anywhere in New England is going to sit in heavy traffic.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The T is adequate if you live in the city. Anyone coming from outside the city limits from anywhere in New England is going to sit in heavy traffic.

You haven't lived until you've smelled the Green Line at Kenmore after a swampy summer Red Sox game!

 

[BKIslandersFan]

I can't comment on the Phoenix area but I do live in the Boston suburbs. Our public transit isn't as good as you think it is.

The fact that it exist means it’s infinitely better than what Phoenix has

 

[TheLegend]

Wow, you snipe even at lame humour.

Gotta get that under control and get your earlier reputation back.

I have a reputation? (should have used a last post.)

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The fact that it exist means it’s infinitely better than what Phoenix has

I'll take your word for it, I've never been.

 

[Boris Zubov]

You haven't lived until you've smelled the Green Line at Kenmore after a swampy summer Red Sox game!

Nothing is worse than the smell of the 59th street stop on the 4-5-6 train in NYC in August. Nothing.

 

[TheLegend]

Nothing is worse than the smell of the 59th street stop on the 4-5-6 train in NYC in August. Nothing.

Oh man I grew up in a small farming town in California where there were cattle yards at both ends of town and it never mattered which way the wind blew.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Oh man I grew up in a small farming town in California where there were cattle yards at both ends of town and it never mattered which way the wind blew.

Yeah I can relate. Where my Dad lives is So Cal, depending on the direction of the winds, his place is occasionally engulfed in the lovely aroma of chicken shit from some pretty big commercial farm, but I'd still take that over the 59th street subway station in the summer.

 

[TheLegend]

Get it while it's hot......

Complete packet for the Tuesday, November 22nd Tempe City Council Meeting including agenda, zoning change documentation, draft of the DDA and exhibits.
(PDF 294 pages.)

https://tempe.hylandcloud.com/Agendaonline/Documents/ViewDocument/City_Council_Special_Meeting_1459_Agenda_Packet_11_22_2022_6_00_00_PM.pdf?meetingId=1459&documentType=AgendaPacket&itemId=0&publishId=0&isSection=false

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

On a whim with Twitter dying I decided to re-activate the good ol' HFBoards accounts. Happy to see this thread is still going.

My advice to any municipality is to lock in construction prices now, because there's only one way those are going. In retrospect, a lot of those big-time arenas look like a steal compared to what is happening now.