CXLIV - The Tempe era set to begin as ASU opens Mullett Arena

[PredsHead]

When is the next Tempe council meeting, and just what is going to be discussed there? And, when is the actual council vote?

After that comes, and we see the entire agreement, we should give a huge shout out to 1CasualFan.

From this Tempe City Council Special Meeting Nov. 10:

"
The Council also will hold Nov. 22 and Nov. 29 public hearings, including a Nov. 29 vote, on three aspects of the Tempe Entertainment District proposal from Bluebird Development, the affiliate for the Meruelo Group and the Arizona Coyotes. Those items include a development and disposition agreement (DDA), a General Plan amendment and a zoning amendment. A DDA includes the specific elements of a proposed development, including all commitments between the city and the developer.

Should the Council approve these items on Nov. 29, various entities may take out petitions to refer the ordinances to the May 2023 ballot. If any entities get the required number of legal petition signatures to qualify for the ballot, Tempe voters would then decide whether the project should move forward. If the Council rejects any of the three items on Nov. 29, the development would not move forward and there would not be a need for a May election regarding these items."

 

[Llama19]

On November 14, 2022 the Director of Aviation Services sent a letter to Tempe’s principal planner in advance of the Development Review Commission meeting.

www.skyharbor.com/docs/default-source/pdfs/rio-salado-project/cop-aviation-letter-111422.pdf

 

[AZDesertKnight]

Never had an issue going from Mesa to Westgate for any hockey game. Still took me 20 minutes less that from Sky Reach to my house not to mention minus 30 and bs snow storms.

No offense, but how old are you?? Are you retired? Do you have kids? (Your avatar is literally a snowbird) so forgive my assumptions

What part of Mesa exactly?

It's a 45 minute trip from anywhere I've lived in Mesa and 50+ from Gilbert where I live now.

If you have a job and have kids you'd want to take to games, weekday games were not feasible when the team played in Westgate.

If you're retired and have only yourself to drive, sure it's no big deal! lol Retiree's clearly weren't enough to keep the team afloat economically.

 

[DaGap]

No offense, but how old are you?? Are you retired? Do you have kids? (Your avatar is literally a snowbird) so forgive my assumptions

What part of Mesa exactly?

It's a 45 minute trip from anywhere I've lived in Mesa and 50+ from Gilbert where I live now.

If you have a job and have kids you'd want to take to games, weekday games were not feasible when the team played in Westgate.

If you're retired and have only yourself to drive, sure it's no big deal! lol Retiree's clearly weren't enough to keep the team afloat economically.

I'm now 40. I had a place just off East Baseline Road and South Ellsworth a stones throw from Agusta
I'm not sure how you can't make a weekday game. I mean here in edmonton We had season tickets for over a decade and made every home game and before some major road work done it was always 45+ mins to a game and before I moved close I lived 2 hours away from edmonton and had no issue making games. Of course my work schedule pulling 12s sometimes just made it so I couldn't go but the excuse that westgate was "too" far is a joke

 

[AZDesertKnight]

I'm now 40. I had a place just off East Baseline Road and South Ellsworth a stones throw from Agusta
I'm not sure how you can't make a weekday game. I mean here in edmonton We had season tickets for over a decade and made every home game and before some major road work done it was always 45+ mins to a game and before I moved close I lived 2 hours away from edmonton and had no issue making games. Of course my work schedule pulling 12s sometimes just made it so I couldn't go but the excuse that westgate was "too" far is a joke

I'm confused, you live in Mesa or Edmonton? I'm from Calgary and it would take 20 minutes from SW Calgary to the Dome.

As opposed to me in Gilbert. Ray Rd and 202:

-Drive home from work downtown Phoenix to pick up kid/family: 50 minutes
-Drive from Gilbert to Westgate in Rush hour 1-1.5 hours
-Arrive to the seats in the second period
-Leave early to beat traffic out
-Drive home: 50 minutes or mroe

Why even go to a game?? You literally need to take time of work to go to a game for 80% of the fanbase who live on the East Valley.

Now in Tempe. I can drive home from work, get my kid and get to the new arena in 30 mins max and make the opening puck drop.

I don't know what kind of logic you have here, or maybe that's just worth it to you.. it isn't for me to go way out to Glendale - even weekends are a freaking road trip.

 

[TheLegend]

On November 14, 2022 the Director of Aviation Services sent a letter to Tempe’s principal planner in advance of the Development Review Commission meeting.

www.skyharbor.com/docs/default-source/pdfs/rio-salado-project/cop-aviation-letter-111422.pdf

More Sky Harbor blustering to some degree.

A reminder that the Arizona Republic has emails between the two cities showing Sky Harbor not objecting to a previous high density housing project in Tempe within the 65DNL zone.

And now they want to add ground traffic into the mix as an "issue".

We'll see how the planning commission decides this evening.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

More Sky Harbor blustering to some degree.

....and the final straws to which they will clutch, before they eventually disappear beneath the peaceful waters of Tempe Town Lake...

It's a nice airport though. Brand new terminal 3 and a new airside wing of terminal 4 (D). They should stop by on their way to their protests.

 

[Llama19]

Development Review Commission - November 15, 2022

Note: Presentation starts at this time mark.

Source: (Video): www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P5xygFJQWA&t=4920s

 

[Llama19]

On November 16, 2022 the Phoenix City Council approved the lease of airport-owned land to the Phoenix Rising professional soccer organization for a temporary outdoor stadium. The site is not under the flight path, and most importantly, the planned Phoenix Rising development does not include any residential units.

On November 15, the Tempe Development Review Commission approved the application for the rezoning of the proposed Tempe Entertainment District site, a clear violation of the City of Tempe’s binding Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) with the City of Phoenix where Tempe promised not to introduce incompatible land uses under the airport flight path. Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport is not opposed to a Coyotes arena or an entertainment district at the corner of Priest and Rio Salado in Tempe, but continues to object to planned residential high rises in that location. Including multi-family housing in the Tempe Entertainment District development would place up to 2,100 residential units in a high noise area directly under two converging flight paths – and in a location where Tempe and Phoenix agreed there would be no housing. The Airport is disappointed that the Tempe Development Review Commission approved the general plan/zoning map amendment with the residential component remaining in the plan.

On November 14, 2022 the Director of Aviation Services sent a letter to Tempe’s principal planner in advance of the Development Review Commission meeting.

Source: www.skyharbor.com/tempeentertainmentdistrict

 

[Cynicaps]

Slightly off-topic, but watching AEW Dynamite tonight they announced their first Phoenix show will be late next February...at Footprint Center.

This is the sort of event that would be tailor made for a Desert Diamond Arena that has tons of time and nobody wanting to stage events there because Footprint is centrally located and people can only seem to get up for events in Glendale at State Farm Stadium. I bet you deep down inside the miss having the Yotes, drama or no drama.

 

[TheLegend]

Tempe has dropped a summary of the proposed DDA.....

Statement:

Proposed development agreement releasedfor Nov. 22 Tempe City Council public hearing

mailchi.mp

Summary of proposed DDA:

Proposed development agreement releasedfor Nov. 22 Tempe City Council public hearing

mailchi.mp

Agenda for the November 22nd meeting:

View Meeting - OnBase Agenda Online

tempe.hylandcloud.com

 

[mouser]

Lots of interesting tidbits in here. The biggest one imo is Coyotes/Mureulo pledging a non refundable $40m to begin land remediation before the developers even own the property. Property ownership would be transferred later.

Ending summary from the DDA:


Protections for City of Tempe
• Developer is responsible for all private development costs.
• The Community Facilities District (CFD) is a separate legal entity from the city and will
be responsible for bond repayment.

• Developer is remediating the property with its funding before it gets title to the property.

• The $40 million initial land sale amount paid by the developer is non-refundable.

• Bonds will be issued only to cover public infrastructure improvements within the CFD in
four incremental phases as the project progresses, and only after the developer has
secured all the private financing for each phase.
• Developer to indemnify Tempe if Phoenix/the airport bring a lawsuit over the residential
portion of the development.
• Developer to indemnify Tempe if the city is sued over the referendum election.

 

[AZDesertKnight]

Nick Wood is a Boss. So good at what he does.

 

[aqib]

Slightly off-topic, but watching AEW Dynamite tonight they announced their first Phoenix show will be late next February...at Footprint Center.

This is the sort of event that would be tailor made for a Desert Diamond Arena that has tons of time and nobody wanting to stage events there because Footprint is centrally located and people can only seem to get up for events in Glendale at State Farm Stadium. I bet you deep down inside the miss having the Yotes, drama or no drama.

They have 2 Rage Against The Machine concerts on the 26th and 28th. They've got 6 events in December and 5 in March. Its not Madison Square Garden So "no one wanting to book events there" is not really accurate. They were also pretty decent at booking events before the bankruptcy as well.

 

[JimAnchower]

They have 2 Rage Against The Machine concerts on the 26th and 28th. They've got 6 events in December and 5 in March. Its not Madison Square Garden So "no one wanting to book events there" is not really accurate. They were also pretty decent at booking events before the bankruptcy as well.

Rage Against the Machine cancelled their tour for next year. De La Rocha tore his achilles.

 

[aqib]

Rage Against the Machine cancelled their tour for next year. De La Rocha tore his achilles.

Ah I didn't know that. Just looked it up. It still doesn't change the fact that Glendale is able to book popular shows.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I'm confused, you live in Mesa or Edmonton? I'm from Calgary and it would take 20 minutes from SW Calgary to the Dome.

As opposed to me in Gilbert. Ray Rd and 202:

-Drive home from work downtown Phoenix to pick up kid/family: 50 minutes
-Drive from Gilbert to Westgate in Rush hour 1-1.5 hours
-Arrive to the seats in the second period
-Leave early to beat traffic out
-Drive home: 50 minutes or mroe

Why even go to a game?? You literally need to take time of work to go to a game for 80% of the fanbase who live on the East Valley.

Now in Tempe. I can drive home from work, get my kid and get to the new arena in 30 mins max and make the opening puck drop.

I don't know what kind of logic you have here, or maybe that's just worth it to you.. it isn't for me to go way out to Glendale - even weekends are a freaking road trip.

Why are you acting like Phoenix is the only arena with shitty travel times?

Hell, in Boston it's as bad of a commute on game nights. Boston rush hour traffic means minimum 60-90 minutes to get to the 1st ring of suburbs, and vice versa coming into the city. The subway isn't much better as it's 45-60min just on the subway each way to TD Garden. If you're coming from outside the Boston area its at best a 60-90 minute drive to an end of the line subway station then another 45-60 on a subway to and from the arena.

Granted it's a 1 off experience so I could've just gotten lucky, but I just was in Phoenix to see Elton John and it took me only 25 min to drive from Chandler to Chase Field at 5pm on Friday.

 

[mouser]

Granted it's a 1 off experience so I could've just gotten lucky, but I just was in Phoenix to see Elton John and it took me only 25 min to drive from Chandler to Chase Field at 5pm on Friday.

Chase Field is downtown, central valley. Meaning almost everyone driving there is going in the opposite direction of rush hour traffic. Rush hour traffic mostly flows into the center in the morning and outward in the evenings.

Same reason why a Tempe location would be so much better than Glendale--most of the traffic going to games would be moving in the opposite direction of rush hour.

With Glendale any fans going to a game from the East side of the valley are caught in about 15 miles of rush hour traffic flow after they pass downtown. Most locations on the outer edges of the valley would have similar traffic issues.

 

[AZDesertKnight]

Why are you acting like Phoenix is the only arena with shitty travel times?

Hell, in Boston it's as bad of a commute on game nights. Boston rush hour traffic means minimum 60-90 minutes to get to the 1st ring of suburbs, and vice versa coming into the city. The subway isn't much better as it's 45-60min just on the subway each way to TD Garden. If you're coming from outside the Boston area its at best a 60-90 minute drive to an end of the line subway station then another 45-60 on a subway to and from the arena.

Granted it's a 1 off experience so I could've just gotten lucky, but I just was in Phoenix to see Elton John and it took me only 25 min to drive from Chandler to Chase Field at 5pm on Friday.

LOL!!! You're seriously comparing Glendale to Boston? who's arena is literally in the downtown core?? Get outta here.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

LOL!!! You're seriously comparing Glendale to Boston? who's arena is literally in the downtown core?? Get outta here.

Well to be fair, it's true we never have to drive in snowstorms at rush hour here

 

[AZDesertKnight]

Well to be fair, it's true we never have to drive in snowstorms at rush hour here

Yeah, but people can actually walk to games or take public transit.. That was the most apples to oranges comparison I've ever seen.

 

[PredsHead]

Lots of interesting tidbits in here. The biggest one imo is Coyotes/Mureulo pledging a non refundable $40m to begin land remediation before the developers even own the property. Property ownership would be transferred later.

Ending summary from the DDA:


Protections for City of Tempe
• Developer is responsible for all private development costs.
• The Community Facilities District (CFD) is a separate legal entity from the city and will
be responsible for bond repayment.

• Developer is remediating the property with its funding before it gets title to the property.

• The $40 million initial land sale amount paid by the developer is non-refundable.

• Bonds will be issued only to cover public infrastructure improvements within the CFD in
four incremental phases as the project progresses, and only after the developer has
secured all the private financing for each phase.
• Developer to indemnify Tempe if Phoenix/the airport bring a lawsuit over the residential
portion of the development.
• Developer to indemnify Tempe if the city is sued over the referendum election.

Tempe has dropped a summary of the proposed DDA.....

Statement:

Proposed development agreement releasedfor Nov. 22 Tempe City Council public hearing

mailchi.mp

Summary of proposed DDA:

Proposed development agreement releasedfor Nov. 22 Tempe City Council public hearing

mailchi.mp

Agenda for the November 22nd meeting:

View Meeting - OnBase Agenda Online

tempe.hylandcloud.com

So are phase 1A and 1B done together or just working on one at a time? If its just one at a time then this is pretty much just Westgate 2.0 correct? Build the arena and a little retail and hope it provides the revenue to do the rest? Also the $40M initial payment is effectively for the land itself and the city doesn't get the money? It would all go to the remediation contractors?

 

[Llama19]

So are phase 1A and 1B done together or just working on one at a time? If its just one at a time then this is pretty much just Westgate 2.0 correct? Build the arena and a little retail and hope it provides the revenue to do the rest? Also the $40M initial payment is effectively for the land itself and the city doesn't get the money? It would all go to the remediation contractors?

So are phase 1A and 1B done together or just working on one at a time? If its just one at a time then this is pretty much just Westgate 2.0 correct? Built the arena and a little retail and hope it provides the revenue to do the rest?

Phase 1A completed within three years of commencement date...and completed within 40 months...with 1B within five years...and completed within 30 months...there is a clause stating they are not precluded from completing each phase 'more rapidly than provided in this Agreement'...

Also the $40M initial payment is effectively for the land itself and the city doesn't get the money? It would all go to the remediation contractors?

It is put in escrow for the contractors...

 

[BlueSeal]

Meanwhile, Quebec City patiently waits.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Meanwhile, Quebec City patiently waits.

and weren't they deferred......