CXLIII - UPDATED 6/3 - Coyotes arena deal takes next step after Tempe council votes to open negotiations

[MNNumbers]

If you want to get pedantic you can change the "bones" of an arena if you pay enough money. The "renovations" on Climate Pledge Arena (nee Key Arena) completely changed the layout. They also cost over one billion dollars.

The idea of the Suns and Coyotes having the same owners is a good one. They could either completely renovate Footprint center, or design the new Tempe arena with both teams in mind. The question though is who would own them. I don't think Meruelo has the financial capacity: a NBA franchise is worth at least $1 billion, and Meruelo's net worth is only $2 billion. And if someone else was going to step up and buy the Coyotes, why haven't they done so before?

"renovations" on Climate Pledge??? Come on! That wasn't a renovation. The only thing they kept was the roof. Everything is brand new in there. Doing the same at Footprint would be an entirely new arena. I don't know the area, so I don't know if there is room for it there. But I will say this: In Seattle it was potentially a good move because there are good reasons to believe that NBA and NHL will both end up playing there, and there is LOTS of money in Seattle. Couple that with it being the only arena in town, and you have a viable situation. Phoenix is not parallel to that, and no one should expect a privately funded project.

 

[TheLegend]

"renovations" on Climate Pledge??? Come on! That wasn't a renovation. The only thing they kept was the roof. Everything is brand new in there. Doing the same at Footprint would be an entirely new arena. I don't know the area, so I don't know if there is room for it there. But I will say this: In Seattle it was potentially a good move because there are good reasons to believe that NBA and NHL will both end up playing there, and there is LOTS of money in Seattle. Couple that with it being the only arena in town, and you have a viable situation. Phoenix is not parallel to that, and no one should expect a privately funded project.

No… it’s certainly not comparable to Climate Pledge.

But Footprint’s location would create some serious issues to have it rebuilt to properly accommodate hockey. Vaguely recall an article laying that point out but I honestly don’t see the need to Google it up at this point. Phoenix has too much invested in the arena now to do it all over again.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

No… it’s certainly not comparable to Climate Pledge.

But Footprint’s location would create some serious issues to have it rebuilt to properly accommodate hockey. Vaguely recall an article laying that point out but I honestly don’t see the need to Google it up at this point. Phoenix has too much invested in the arena now to do it all over again.

They can do it if they get rid of the parking garage I think. But its PHoenix so thats a no go.

 

[aqib]

Merullo needs to buy the Suns and move them to Tempe. More dates are taken up. Guarantees Tempe will be built. Do it!

They literally just renovated the arena and have 15 years on the lease. Why would he pay a couple of hundred million to break the lease to move them away from downtown?

 

[PredsHead]

Looks like TED will be on tonights executive session agenda after all....

https://tempe.hylandcloud.com/Agend...daPacket&itemId=0&publishId=0&isSection=false

 

[TheLegend]

Looks like TED will be on tonights executive session agenda after all....

https://tempe.hylandcloud.com/Agend...daPacket&itemId=0&publishId=0&isSection=false

But not on the regular council agenda.

A reminder that Glendale had a bunch of these executives sessions. Of which we won’t get any info from. But I’d rather see this than nothing at all.

 

[aqib]

The team posted this on Twitter today:

 

[Mightygoose]

The team posted this on Twitter today:

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the tweet is dated June 3.

Don't see anything new from what I can see. They already 'moved forward' on that step

 

[OG6ix]

The team posted this on Twitter today:

It's a pinned tweet from June.

 

[TheLegend]

^^ Twitter algorithms tend to do that. It’ll put a random post in your timeline from an account you might have previously stalked.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Well this should quiet the whining about center ice logos….

Went in this afternoon.

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i dig it, i think it looks cool.

 

[TheLegend]

i dig it, i think it looks cool.

They’ve since redone it.

ASU wanted to have just the pitchfork logo at center for the first few ASU games to promote the new arena so it currently has a large one in the middle.

But the dual logo setup will return right before the Coyotes first home game late October.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

They’ve since redone it.

ASU wanted to have just the pitchfork logo at center for the first few ASU games to promote the new arena so it currently has a large one in the middle.

But the dual logo setup will return right before the Coyotes first home game late October.

I really like the dual-logo actually.

I would honestly like to catch a game here some day.

 

[aqib]

^^ Twitter algorithms tend to do that. It’ll put a random post in your timeline from an account you might have previously stalked.

I was googling for any updates and that came up.

 

[TheLegend]

I was googling for any updates and that came up.

Google isn’t all that reliable either at times. Especially when you don’t specify a date range.

 

[aqib]

Google isn’t all that reliable either at times. Especially when you don’t specify a date range.

I actually set a date range for the past week, which is why I thought it was new. My bad. I should have looked at the date.

 

[TheLegend]

I actually set a date range for the past week, which is why I thought it was new. My bad. I should have looked at the date.

They retweeted it not long ago and that might have caused it to pop up.

Anyway.... we both can agree we wished there was more going on with this publicly.

 

[aqib]

They retweeted it not long ago and that might have caused it to pop up.

Anyway.... we both can agree we wished there was more going on with this publicly.

Yeah I am surprised there were no leaks from the executive session. I know those are confidential but I figured a leak would come from somewhere.

 

[TheLegend]

Yeah I am surprised there were no leaks from the executive session. I know those are confidential but I figured a leak would come from somewhere.

Might just be something as simple simple as Tempe’s city council having more respect for open meeting laws and professionalism than Glendale’s ever had.

At least so far…

 

[TheLegend]

Thought they were going to do something besides just holding some seats back for ASU students. This looks interesting.

 

[aqib]

Might just be something as simple simple as Tempe’s city council having more respect for open meeting laws and professionalism than Glendale’s ever had.

At least so far…

I was figuring that something this high-profile there would be a leak somewhere. Even if Councilors themselves are keeping at tight lip you would figure a reporter could get an anonymous quote from someone either on Council's staff, someone in City Hall, someone in the organization, etc.

 

[TheLegend]

I was figuring that something this high-profile there would be a leak somewhere. Even if Councilors themselves are keeping at tight lip you would figure a reporter could get an anonymous quote from someone either on Council's staff, someone in City Hall, someone in the organization, etc.

I checked Sky Harbor’s page on TED last night. Not a peep there either as to what Phoenix might do legally with that IGA.

(insert Final Jeopardy theme here)

 

[Llama19]

Latest from Phoenix Sky Harbor...

From the Protecting Tempe Neighborhoods website (www.skyharbor.com/tempeflightpaths)

The airlines follow this flight path because of a 1994 intergovernmental agreement between Phoenix and Tempe. This agreement prohibits all residential developments in a high-noise corridor (currently 1.2 square miles in size) and prevents airliners from turning sooner and flying lower over neighborhoods around the Airport.

When this flight path was established, Tempe agreed not to allow residential directly under it. Now, Tempe leaders are considering breaking that agreement and allowing up to 2,100 residential units for projects such as the Modera Rio Salado and the Tempe Entertainment District. This could lead to significant flight path changes over your neighborhood.

How can Phoenix Sky Harbor continue to defend this flight path to the FAA and the airlines if Tempe begins allowing residential units directly underneath it? Watch this video (youtu.be/Uy1B7QpyaO4) to see what could be flying over your neighborhood.

Phoenix is reaching out to Tempe to find a solution. If you would like to be a part of that discussion and receive updates, please join our mailing list (action.phoenix.gov/j1.pl?a06431395e1fce54d08f3ce16e85899d7b48a2baf2efe0aa1e0b5877f85e7f97).

Additional details and timeline of events are available at skyharbor.com/tempeentertainmentdistrict.

PHX Facts

- Arriving flight tracks are expected to fly over the proposed development as close as 400 feet from aircraft wheels to rooftops
- Residents in the proposed developments can expect flights arriving and departing over their homes as frequently as every 60 seconds during the day.
- The entire development is contained within the high impact noise contour.
- Proposed mitigation tools such as sound insulation do not make the proposed land use compatible with airport operations.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

(insert Final Jeopardy theme here)

back in the day with with glendale's old city council and icearizona it was more like celebrity jeopardy

 

[gstommylee]

Latest from Phoenix Sky Harbor...

From the Protecting Tempe Neighborhoods website (www.skyharbor.com/tempeflightpaths)

The airlines follow this flight path because of a 1994 intergovernmental agreement between Phoenix and Tempe. This agreement prohibits all residential developments in a high-noise corridor (currently 1.2 square miles in size) and prevents airliners from turning sooner and flying lower over neighborhoods around the Airport.

When this flight path was established, Tempe agreed not to allow residential directly under it. Now, Tempe leaders are considering breaking that agreement and allowing up to 2,100 residential units for projects such as the Modera Rio Salado and the Tempe Entertainment District. This could lead to significant flight path changes over your neighborhood.

How can Phoenix Sky Harbor continue to defend this flight path to the FAA and the airlines if Tempe begins allowing residential units directly underneath it? Watch this video (youtu.be/Uy1B7QpyaO4) to see what could be flying over your neighborhood.

Phoenix is reaching out to Tempe to find a solution. If you would like to be a part of that discussion and receive updates, please join our mailing list (action.phoenix.gov/j1.pl?a06431395e1fce54d08f3ce16e85899d7b48a2baf2efe0aa1e0b5877f85e7f97).

Additional details and timeline of events are available at skyharbor.com/tempeentertainmentdistrict.

PHX Facts

- Arriving flight tracks are expected to fly over the proposed development as close as 400 feet from aircraft wheels to rooftops
- Residents in the proposed developments can expect flights arriving and departing over their homes as frequently as every 60 seconds during the day.
- The entire development is contained within the high impact noise contour.
- Proposed mitigation tools such as sound insulation do not make the proposed land use compatible with airport operations.

And yet they are violating the agreement themselves by ignoring whats state within the agreement that its compatible under a certain noise level. They are saying its not compatible at all non of it. The team's lawyer pointed it out during the last public hearing.