Confirmed with Link: Curtis Glencross Traded to Washington for 2nd&3rd Round Picks

[FlamesFan18]

Wow, you said what I said and added a question mark and a laughing smiley, that's a quality reply. I've made why clear from the moment we started talking about the possibility of trading him for a 2nd +. The fact you think it's shocking my opinion hasn't changed is pretty hilarious. I've never been one to back down from what I believe is right.

I know. I respect your opinion and don't completely disagree with your not liking the trade. I listed off enough of my opinion on it up there (mostly about the return being good, not if I really thought moving him was good idea, which I do). I dont believe its necessary to keep a struggling guy who clearly doesnt want to be here during a final playoff push, especially when he is supposed to be a leader out there. I am not trying to offend you, I was just trying to lighten up the mood so you wouldn't get offended (oops). In no way do I want to get into a argument right now which is why my comment was so minor, I just tried to make a funny, sorry maaaaan.

 

[Lunatik]

Those things aren't mutually exclusive. They embarked upon this path (making it clear that Glenny was going to be traded) all while still talking about adding at the deadline. I think both of these things are part of management's plans. But I think this all hinges on the judgement (whether you agree or not) that Glencross is completely replaceable within our organization. Management has made a statement here that we have the players available to take Glencross's minutes and be just as effective.

Please enlighten me. Who is going to replace him? Who has the ability to play a physical game, play a shutdown role, produce over 0.5 points per game and be apart of our leadership group.

I'd love to know, because I don't see a single name within our organization that can do that right now.

 

[Body Checker]

I don't think the dressing room will miss him much at all, this is professional hockey

Plus it's not like a star was traded from a team

 

[InfinityIggy]

Please enlighten me. Who is going to replace him? Who has the ability to play a physical game, play a shutdown role, produce over 0.5 points per game and be apart of our leadership group.

I'd love to know, because I don't see a single name within our organization that can do that right now.

I'd say to some degree both Bouma and Jones have stepped up to fill a lot of those criteria this year. Probably part of the reason that management didn't try to resign Glencross is the improved play of those two players.

 

[Lunatik]

I know. I respect your opinion and don't completely disagree with your not liking the trade. I listed off enough of my opinion on it up there (mostly about the return being good, not if I really thought moving him was good idea, which I do). I dont believe its necessary to keep a struggling guy who clearly doesnt want to be here during a final playoff push, especially when he is supposed to be a leader out there. I am not trying to offend you, I was just trying to lighten up the mood so you wouldn't get offended (oops). In no way do I want to get into a argument right now which is why my comment was so minor, I just tried to make a funny, sorry maaaaan.

humor doesn't always translate well; what would have one person in stitches in real like can make that same person think you are an idiot via text (just to be clear I am not saying that is what I was thinking , because I wasn't). It's all good ff18

 

[Kanye]

Please enlighten me. Who is going to replace him? Who has the ability to play a physical game, play a shutdown role, produce over 0.5 points per game and be apart of our leadership group.

I'd love to know, because I don't see a single name within our organization that can do that right now.

Bouma lol.

 

[Lunatik]

Bouma lol.

except he is already on the roster, he replaces Glencross and who replaces him? Same problem. although Bouma isn't a 0.5 point per game player.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Bouma lol.

Isn't a very good screen, GlenX can't be replaced hopefully a couple players can step to fill the holes left by him. I'd like to see wolf get another chance.

 

[Lunatik]

I don't think the dressing room will miss him much at all, this is professional hockey

Plus it's not like a star was traded from a team

No star was traded when we moved Ference and Kobasew for Brad Stuart either, yet it fractured the psyche of the team.

I'd say to some degree both Bouma and Jones have stepped up to fill a lot of those criteria this year. Probably part of the reason that management didn't try to resign Glencross is the improved play of those two players.

But they are already on the roster; that still needs to be replaced somewhere.

 

[FlamesFan18]

The thing is I really do believe in the offseason they're going to make a push to sign a top 6 UFA winger or trade for one. They are looking to upgrade on Glencross but couldn't right now because teams trading away good wingers want futures.

 

[Mobiandi]

I'm more than happy stocking up on draft picks. The question we must ask ourselves is: With it being so late in the season, is it worth it to make an addition(s) who may not gel with the team, share a similar level of work ethic, or be a good fit with our style of play?

These types of moves are best done in the off-season, not in the eleventh hour of the season.

 

[Lunatik]

The thing is I really do believe in the offseason they're going to make a push to sign a top 6 UFA winger or trade for one. They are looking to upgrade on Glencross but couldn't right now because teams trading away good wingers want futures.

But that doesn't help a playoff drive and doesn't help getting our kids some playoff experience. That is my concern; I am not worried about next year.

 

[Kanye]

Then get Granlund/Baertschi on the left side.

We're no where near cup contenders.. why not trade a guy who didn't want to be here for picks?

This little playoff drive we have going on here are making people think that we're not in a rebuild or anything.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Then get Granlund/Baertschi on the left side.

We're no where near cup contenders.. why not trade a guy who didn't want to be here for picks?

This little playoff drive we have going on here are making people think that we're not in a rebuild or anything.

No one said that

There are more ways to rebuild then selling every ufa.

 

[Body Checker]

No star was traded when we moved Ference and Kobasew for Brad Stuart either, yet it fractured the psyche of the team.

But they are already on the roster; that still needs to be replaced somewhere.

Stuart trade was different era, different team, different leadership group. Plus the flaws in the flames system at that time didn't change with the trade

We are a ninth place team that traded a 32 year old pending Ufa that is injury prone and is an average 2nd liner, good 3rd liner. I'm surprised there is as much concern about this deal as there is from some

 

[Anglesmith]

Please enlighten me. Who is going to replace him? Who has the ability to play a physical game, play a shutdown role, produce over 0.5 points per game and be apart of our leadership group.

I'd love to know, because I don't see a single name within our organization that can do that right now.

This is faulty logic. Suppose we had 12 Brian McGrattans on our forward roster. If we traded one away, would we say that his replacement needed to be able to fight? I'm not saying that we have the guys in our organization to come in and do exactly what Glencross did. I'm saying that in my opinion there isn't too much drop-off from the team with Glencross to the team without him, if there is any drop-off at all.

To your point, though, the players playing the hardes minutes right now are Bouma, Backlund and Jones. Glencross was not being used in a shutdown role because these guys were doing it better than him. Both of those wingers are physical. In addition, Jooris plays a right-handed version of exactly what Glencross does, and can also play centre. Colborne is a physical presence in the offensive end and has become quite proficient playing defence on the wing (used on PKs), though he'll never be a shutdown centre. Paul Byron has always been defensively sound and very physical, and can play on the shutdown line.

I don't think Glencross's departure makes us thin on defensive specialists, physical players or left-wingers in general. His departure allows us to actually fill out our roster with some different dimensions than before.

 

[Calculon]

Decent return; nothing earth shattering but fair. Glencross's contributions are pretty overrated.

Extra picks are incredibly important in a rebuild, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Treliving move a couple tomorrow for some help now.

 

[Kanye]

No one said that

There are more ways to rebuild then selling every ufa.

We sold off one UFA who didn't want to be here. Why is this such a big deal?

I'm sure if Washington was only going to give up a 4th, we'd likely be keeping Glencross. You don't pass up a 2nd and a 3rd for a washup.

 

[CraigsList]

We sold off one UFA who didn't want to be here. Why is this such a big deal?

I'm sure if Washington was only going to give up a 4th, we'd likely be keeping Glencross. You don't pass up a 2nd and a 3rd for a washup.

Glencross isn't a washup.

 

[Lunatik]

Finally something everyone can agree to

Then get Granlund/Baertschi on the left side.

We're no where near cup contenders.. why not trade a guy who didn't want to be here for picks?

This little playoff drive we have going on here are making people think that we're not in a rebuild or anything.

Yeah, Granlund/Baertschi replace what he brings.....

No one is suggesting we are contenders. I think it is more important to the development of our youngsters to remain in the playoff race as long as possible and to potentially miss the playoffs. I think fighting for a playoff spot on the final day of the season or playing a few playoff games will do much more for our future than an outside shot at a quality NHL player through the draft. That is why I wanted an over payment for Glencross, I think 2 picks (one with a 50% chance the other with a 25% chance of being regular NHLers) is just not enough of a boon to the rebuild to justify what we are potentially losing in potential playoff experience for Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie... etc.

 

[Anglesmith]

Yeah, Granlund/Baertschi replace what he brings.....

Not relevant for people who feel that what he brings had become redundant.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Please enlighten me. Who is going to replace him? Who has the ability to play a physical game, play a shutdown role, produce over 0.5 points per game and be apart of our leadership group.

I'd love to know, because I don't see a single name within our organization that can do that right now.

Wow. Who is going to replace an average 3rd line winger? He's recently playing on the 3rd line with Colbourne and jooris, absolutely not in a 'shutdown role' (Backlund's line is the shutdown line), his physical game is average at best (sure 3rd in hits, but wolf or Ferland are much better in that regard), and I wouldn't really consider someone who wants out to be part of our leadership group lol... Maybe we don't have an exact glencross replica in the system, but the idea that he can't be replaced is laughable... Not sure why you think glencross is that valuable..

 

[Turning Mangiapanese]

Happy trails, Curtis. Not a bad return either but I'm hoping for a couple more trades still, of the hockey variety.

 

[Kanye]

Glencross isn't a washup.

Yeah, Granlund/Baertschi replace what he brings.....

No one is suggesting we are contenders. I think it is more important to the development of our youngsters to remain in the playoff race as long as possible and to potentially miss the playoffs. I think fighting for a playoff spot on the final day of the season or playing a few playoff games will do much more for our future than an outside shot at a quality NHL player through the draft. That is why I wanted an over payment for Glencross, I think 2 picks (one with a 50% chance the other with a 25% chance of being regular NHLers) is just not enough of a boon to the rebuild to justify what we are potentially losing in potential playoff experience for Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie... etc.

But it's not like Glencross was the difference maker on this team. He got passed by youngsters on the team. The Flames are a business, and if we held on to every expiring UFA without getting anything in return is absolutely terrible asset management. Players know it, coaches know it, GMs know it.

In all honesty it opens up a spot for a player who's hungry to be in the show and could bring something to the team that Glencross couldn't.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I'm curious to see if we bring in another player now. If we were able to bring back a top-4 D, then I think that would be a net upgrade for the team over Glencross.

Lots of time left before the deadline for the Flames to make a move, should be interesting.