Prospect Info: Current #2 overall poll and discussion

[njdevils1982]

If a train leaves NY traveling at 70 mph heading west for Chicago and a train leaves Miami traveling East at 80 mph, which NBA team will trade for Kevin Durant? Show your work.

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The important thing here is that we get to the part where you ask me how I'm gonna get down to the shore

Oh, how you gettin' down to the shore?

Funny you should ask, I've got a car now

Ah wow, how'd ya get a car?

Oh, my folks drove it up here from the Bahamas

You're kidding

I must be, the Bahamas are islands- okay, the important thing here is that, uh, you ask me what kinda car it is

 

[Guttersniped]

I saw a Flames fan say 2OA for Johnny’s rights lol. Somehow still not as bad of an idea as taking on Anderson’s contract

That is ambitious. I will say that. Dream big kids.

 

[Guttersniped]

I think part of the price for Miller is what I briefly spoke about which is his leadership role hes taken on since moving to VAN. Perhaps Fitzgerald sees high value in that along with how he plays and who hed be playing with.

If it turns out we move for Miller and sign him, just as example, hed turn 33 in March of 2026. By then Nico would have one year left on his deal. So really, Fitzgerald may see it as an oppourtunity to get Miller to be our Hamilton up front (only four months older). By the time Miller is 33-34, if hes falling off you can move those final few years. And thats not what youd want to happen but just thinking realistically, its very possible by then with the cap rising.

Id be just fine with getting Filip Forsberg at 9.5 too, but hes another player I see getting 10 from a desperate team like the Islanders.

Talking about vaguer intangibles like “leadership”for a guy who’s going to paid as if he’s one of the top elite forwards in the NHL is points to exactly why this looks like a disaster in the making.

And not years down the road, pretty damn early in what will be a painfully long contract.

I don’t think Gaudreau counts necessarily as a great idea, but at least I buy the guy as an elite player so this won’t be “what the f*** did we do?” by the 2nd year of his contract. And his contract starts sooner. I get it.

Miller’s current contract is a big reason why this doesn’t make sense for us, it’s a great value for one season. Which means zilch for us but contenders would pay for that. (Earth people refer to it as “rentals”.) I’m sorry no one has met their astronomical ask yet but selling that contract to team who could use a bargain contract next season makes the most sense.

And DeBrincat is painfully expensive, in trade and salary, but again, at least he’s elite too and young.

Forsberg is more appealing too. I can’t stress enough how Miller is the worst case scenario.

 

[Lou is God]

What does Fitz do if Hughes picks Cooley?

Maybe dangle Wright in front of Arizona, get another asset and move only one space back, still get Wright or Slaf.

 

[BananaGenetics]

Talking about vaguer intangibles like “leadership”for a guy who’s going to paid as if he’s one of the top elite forwards in the NHL is points to exactly why this looks like a disaster in the making.

And not years down the road, pretty damn early in what will be a painfully long contract.

I don’t think Gaudreau counts necessarily as a great idea, but at least I buy the guy as an elite player so this won’t be “what the f*** did we do?” by the 2nd year of his contract. And his contract starts sooner. I get it.

Miller’s current contract is a big reason why this doesn’t make sense for us, it’s a great value for one season. Which means zilch for us but contenders would pay for that. (Earth people refer to it as “rentals”.) I’m sorry no one has met their astronomical ask yet but selling that contract to team who could use a bargain contract next season makes the most sense.

And DeBrincat is painfully expensive, in trade and salary, but again, at least he’s elite too and young.

Forsberg is more appealing too. I can’t stress enough how Miller is the worst case scenario.

I dont think Miller at Hamtilon's contract or a year shorter is anything compared to the Panarins and Kanes of the world. 9-9.5 for a guy who would be PPG next to Jack for at least three years? Cap will be up a sizeable amount by the time 2026 rolls around.

Lets not forget that the eventual cap rise and explosion in profits for the league could be something GMs are leveraging when signing some of these deals you think twice about today.

but as for the leadership rome being considered a 'vague intangible', id have to disagree strongly and especially for the Devils whos captain is 23 and soft spoken. PK gone now, who is the leader in the locker room? Can we really name one?

I think that plays a major part in Fitzgerald's interest, the fact that Miller has been outspoken on wanting to lead and grow with a team.

 

[Oneiro]

Fitz's stated that the window is 2-3 years out from here (from an interview with Loughlin). It's unlikely that Miller is this good for that long, let alone beyond that time period.

Hamilton plays a less taxing game while being one of the best transition/shot-generating D at his position. 9M in this salary landscape is absolutely fair for that. Meanwhile Miller's career numbers came at age 28, he's broken 70 pts only twice and, unlike Gaudreau, he is not even in the building of being one of the best forwards in the game. In no way is he equivalent to Hamilton up front. I'm not even on the Gaudreau train but at least he's close to worth his future cap hit.

Right when you need to make the equivalent acquisition of what Chara was to BOS, Hossa to CHI, O'Reilly to STL, McDonagh to TB, etc. you'll be saddled with a declining Miller eating 9-12% of the cap. He is not the same caliber of player as that group. You do not pay a premium for "leadership" if the player cannot back it up on the ice.

I also think fans are not looking at the defense critically enough. I don't think it's good enough even if Luke is a star. Down the line (when the window is open), I think we need to make a bigger move there and you need cap to do it.

 

[BananaGenetics]

Fitz's stated that the window is 2-3 years out from here (from an interview with Loughlin). It's unlikely that Miller is this good for that long, let alone beyond that time period.

Hamilton plays a less taxing game while being one of the best transition/shot-generating D at his position. 9M in this salary landscape is absolutely fair for that. Meanwhile Miller's career numbers came at age 28, he's broken 70 pts only twice and, unlike Gaudreau, he is not even in the building of being one of the best forwards in the game. In no way is he equivalent to Hamilton up front. I'm not even on the Gaudreau train but at least he's close to worth his future cap hit.

Right when you need to make the equivalent acquisition of what Chara was to BOS, Hossa to CHI, O'Reilly to STL, McDonagh to TB, etc. you'll be saddled with a declining Miller eating 9-12% of the cap. He is not the same caliber of player as that group. You do not pay a premium for "leadership" if the player cannot back it up on the ice.

I also think fans are not looking at the defense critically enough. I don't think it's good enough even if Luke is a star. Down the line (when the window is open), I think we need to make a bigger move there and you need cap to do it.

If Fitzgeralds plan truly is to begin pushing in two or three years, then yeah Miller wouldnt be a great fit. Though is it possible he meant start contending? Because that would come across more as when he expects were in full gear. Then I could see Miller being worthwhile to getting us there a year or so faster.

Miller isnt a need for me and I admit his age isnt great for us, but I think theres some merit in it if Fitz wants to make the playoffs next season and beyond.

 

[glenwo2]

Unless someone blows him out of the water with a trade he can't refuse, take Wright at #2.

I’d probably go Slafkovsky as I like his skillset so much, but it’s neck and neck with Wright for me. Fitz would most likely go Wright in this case imo.

Fitz can't really go wrong either way, tbh.

Both would be considered the right decision, imo.

 

[MauDevils]

What does Fitz do if Hughes picks Cooley?

You sprint up to the podium and pick Shane Wright.

 

[Eggtimer]

Thats partially why Im iffy on offering a deal to Gaudreau, who I think will come in at 10 or 11 or in between

Miller via trade I think can be signed to a cheaper deal if hes promised an opportunity to be a leader, which I think he wanted to be in Vancouver but it isnt working out that way (theyre changing directions with new management I guess)

I think you could manage to get Miller down to 9 or 9.25 million. And with a team that will be paying a lot of youth over the next three or four years, I think it may be worth the assets to do so. Plus I think Miller is a better fit than Gaudreau. Could even take faceoffs for Jack

So give up assets for Miller at 9-9.25 or Gaudreau for free at 10-11 ?
Sorry man but Gaudreau and keeping our assets is worth the maximum 2 mil per extra for Miller.
I agree that the attributes that Miller brings wo be nice to add , but not for how much his contract will be , length of the contract and how his game will regress.
Miller and his style of play will NOT age well. Johnny on the other hand , I can see him being like P Kane where he is very good well into his 30’s .
Miller is counting on cashing in on a career season where he vastly out produced his prior production.
Johnny did as well , but is wasn’t a crazy outlying season like Millers.

I don’t want to give up assets for a 30 year old player lookig to cash in on ine good season that will start declining sooner than later. I would be very very surprised if he could replicate his production from last year if given the same opportunity .
Sorry , but to me , Johnny is an elite level winger , one who can drive play from the wing amd makes his entire line better.
He made Lindholm a 40g player amd Tkachuk a 100 point 40g player……

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The important thing here is that we get to the part where you ask me how I'm gonna get down to the shore

Oh, how you gettin' down to the shore?

Funny you should ask, I've got a car now

Ah wow, how'd ya get a car?

Oh, my folks drove it up here from the Bahamas

You're kidding

I must be, the Bahamas are islands- okay, the important thing here is that, uh, you ask me what kinda car it is

I ran over my neighbours , it’s in all the papers

 

[Hisch13r]

So give up assets for Miller at 9-9.25 or Gaudreau for free at 10-11 ?
Sorry man but Gaudreau and keeping our assets is worth the maximum 2 mil per extra for Miller.
I agree that the attributes that Miller brings wo be nice to add , but not for how much his contract will be , length of the contract and how his game will regress.
Miller and his style of play will NOT age well. Johnny on the other hand , I can see him being like P Kane where he is very good well into his 30’s .
Miller is counting on cashing in on a career season where he vastly out produced his prior production.
Johnny did as well , but is wasn’t a crazy outlying season like Millers.

I don’t want to give up assets for a 30 year old player lookig to cash in on ine good season that will start declining sooner than later. I would be very very surprised if he could replicate his production from last year if given the same opportunity .
Sorry , but to me , Johnny is an elite level winger , one who can drive play from the wing amd makes his entire line better.
He made Lindholm a 40g player amd Tkachuk a 100 point 40g player……


I ran over my neighbours , it’s in all the papers

Johnny’s worth the 2 extra mil even if Miller was coming for free lol

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Would be okay with either dmen, Cooley, Slaf on Friday. Wright would be insane but I can't see MTL being that insane in their own barn.

 

[Forge]

Would be okay with either dmen, Cooley, Slaf on Friday. Wright would be insane but I can't see MTL being that insane in their own barn.

I'm the same. It's actually kind of anti climatic lol

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Would be okay with either dmen, Cooley, Slaf on Friday. Wright would be insane but I can't see MTL being that insane in their own barn.

Yeah, I still fail to see how this doesn't end up Wright 1 Slaf 2. Everyone is overthinking so much. Both these players make so much sense for the teams drafting where they are expected to go.

 

[Bcap88]

If wright is there at 2 I don’t see how you don’t take him. A center trio of Hughes hischier and wright is insane for the next decade. Most teams go a decade trying to find two good centers and many never find three

 

[Saugus]

Yeah, I still fail to see how this doesn't end up Wright 1 Slaf 2. Everyone is overthinking so much. Both these players make so much sense for the teams drafting where they are expected to go.

This is what happens when there's too much time between the end of the season and the draft. We start spinning ourselves in circles with crazy hypotheticals and overthink it.

You're describing what is still the most likely outcome. But crazy shit can and does happen all the time.

 

[Nubmer6]

If a train leaves NY traveling at 70 mph heading west for Chicago and a train leaves Miami traveling East at 80 mph, which NBA team will trade for Kevin Durant? Show your work.

Trick question. East of Miami is the ocean. Train can't go that way.

 

[Billdo]

If wright is there at 2 I don’t see how you don’t take him. A center trio of Hughes hischier and wright is insane for the next decade. Most teams go a decade trying to find two good centers and many never find three

If wright is there at 2 I don’t see how you don’t take him. A center trio of Hughes hischier and wright is insane for the next decade. Most teams go a decade trying to find two good centers and many never find three

So nice you said it twice!

 

[Nubmer6]

So nice you said it twice!

He's being repetitively redundant.

 

[Bcap88]

So nice you said it twice!

Oops lol

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Less than 45 hours to go!

 

[My3Sons]

Trick question. East of Miami is the ocean. Train can't go that way.

That’s part of the fun though.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

If wright is there at 2 I don’t see how you don’t take him. A center trio of Hughes hischier and wright is insane for the next decade. Most teams go a decade trying to find two good centers and many never find three

Not too long ago our best center was Zajac. And/or Henrique. And we complained about center depth

 

[My3Sons]

Not too long ago our best center was Zajac. And/or Henrique. And we complained about center depth

Now the team is good enough to play a first overall pick at 3C

 

[severian]

Now the team is good enough to play a first overall pick at 3C

And still pick 2nd overall.