Proposal: Crouse (Utah) for Norris+Sogaard (Ottawa)

[rt]

To OTT:
Lawson Crouse

To UTA:
Josh Norris
Mads Sogaard

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[Bjornar Moxnes]

Deal

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I feel like Norris has zero value at this point. Could be wrong tho

 

[Jumptheshark]

I feel like Norris has zero value at this point. Could be wrong tho

then about 80% of NHLers do not have any value

 

[BlueGoose27]

I feel like Norris has zero value at this point. Could be wrong tho

I wouldn’t say zero. It’s because of his injury history. The kid can play, he’s definitely top 6 center when healthy. Having a decent season so far. I mean if I’m Ottawa I take that trade. Sens need to do something

 

[DackellDuck]

Norris is the better player, but his cap hit makes this dead even IMO.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Norris is the better player, but his cap hit makes this dead even IMO.

Take look at how much crouse makes. He has only 4 pts this season vs Norris 14. By adding Sogaard that is too much.

 

[rt]

Seems like maybe adding Sogaard was just a little too much.

Perhaps is more fair 1:1

 

[Xspyrit]

Yeah, not making this deal.

Norris has become underrated, which is also normal due to all these injuries

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Seems like maybe adding Sogaard was just a little too much.

Perhaps is more fair 1:1

Would you add an A- prospect to Crouse? An example of an A- prospect would be Kesselring at the time of the Bjugstad trade. Currently he's obviously a good #4.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

If the Sens make a panic/shake-up trade, this would be a decent one... but I hope we can turn it around without doing something like this

 

[BKarchitect]

Sogaard has pretty much no value.

So it’s Crouse for Norris.

I don’t care what the points say - from a team building standpoint, I don’t do that if I’m Utah. I’m not sure why they’d be dying to add Norris at nearly $8 million AAV.

Crouse would be a massive add and a guy who really brings a different energy for Ottawa - I’d be all over this if I were them. Plus you’re opening up cap flexibility.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If Utah wants to take that contract off the Sens hands, go for it.

Norris got his massive payday because he scored 35 goals in 66 games, largely because of an elite one-timer that the PP was built around.

After his shoulder injuries we haven't seen him unleash a big one-timer all season. Starting to think he can't anymore.

And if he can't shoot like that now, he's not going to live up to that contract.

I'd gladly let Utah have him for free. If Crouse is coming back even better.

 

[rt]

Would you add an A- prospect to Crouse? An example of an A- prospect would be Kesselring at the time of the Bjugstad trade. Currently he's obviously a good #4.

Of course not.

 

[rt]

If Utah wants to take that contract off the Sens hands, go for it.

Norris got his massive payday because he scored 35 goals in 66 games, largely because of an elite one-timer that the PP was built around.

After his shoulder injuries we haven't seen him unleash a big one-timer all season. Starting to think he can't anymore.

And if he can't shoot like that now, he's not going to live up to that contract.

I'd gladly let Utah have him for free. If Crouse is coming back even better.

The idea is a shake up. Norris is 25 and his contract is looking rough but it’s over when he’s 30.

Don’t think Crouse for Pinto really accomplishes the desired shake up for Ottawa, right? Or Crouse for Greig? There aren’t unlimited dance partners. And I see two teams who need a change.

So if it has to be centered around Crouse for Norris and that’s unfair to Utah, what could Ottawa add?

Sogaard has pretty much no value.

So it’s Crouse for Norris.

I don’t care what the points say - from a team building standpoint, I don’t do that if I’m Utah. I’m not sure why they’d be dying to add Norris at nearly $8 million AAV.

Crouse would be a massive add and a guy who really brings a different energy for Ottawa - I’d be all over this if I were them. Plus you’re opening up cap flexibility.

Goalies are voodoo. Utah has two goalies who can’t figure if they’re really good or really mediocre and they just take turns. All the have coming up is Hrabal who looks great but again…goalies are voodoo. Sogaard may not have another dozen NHL games in him. He may be an above average NHL starter for five years, just out of the blue. Goalie outcomes are all over the map.

 

[BKarchitect]

The idea is a shake up. Norris is 25 and his contract is looking rough but it’s over when he’s 30.

Don’t think Crouse for Pinto really accomplishes the desired shake up for Ottawa, right? Or Crouse for Greig? There aren’t unlimited dance partners. And I see two teams who need a change.

So if it has to be centered around Crouse for Norris and that’s unfair to Utah, what could Ottawa add?


Goalies are voodoo. Utah has two goalies who can’t figure if they’re really good or really mediocre and they just take turns. All the have coming up is Hrabal who looks great but again…goalies are voodoo. Sogaard may not have another dozen NHL games in him. He may be an above average NHL starter for five years, just out of the blue. Goalie outcomes are all over the map.

Sure, that doesn’t mean he has value. I mean, I don’t think he’s a needle mover one way or the other. I liked him as a younger prospect but now he’s just going to be a big waiver eligible goalie guy who has looked fine in the AHL and hopelessly out of his depth in his NHL auditions. He has pretty much no future in Ottawa. Maybe he can turn into something somewhere else but it’s quite likely he’s just another Ivan Prosvetov.

 

[Wondercarrot]

If Utah wants to take that contract off the Sens hands, go for it.

Norris got his massive payday because he scored 35 goals in 66 games, largely because of an elite one-timer that the PP was built around.

After his shoulder injuries we haven't seen him unleash a big one-timer all season. Starting to think he can't anymore.

And if he can't shoot like that now, he's not going to live up to that contract.

I'd gladly let Utah have him for free. If Crouse is coming back even better.

lol what?
Norris has played well is on pace for and is a lock for at least 30, great on the draw.
We have centre depth so he or Grieg or Pinto could be a move to make down the road but this is nonsense as if Norris is some sort of f***ing giveaway.
And this is all after having missed a lot of hockey, he’s playing physical and doesn’t shy away from anything - they just haven’t deployed in that spot on the PP. which was until recently one of the top 3 or 4 in the league - and of course he’s taken some one timers….I mean wtf?

 

[Jannik Hansen]

lol what?
Norris has played well is on pace for and is a lock for at least 30, great on the draw.
We have centre depth so he or Grieg or Pinto could be a move to make down the road but this is nonsense as if Norris is some sort of f***ing giveaway.
And this is all after having missed a lot of hockey, he’s playing physical and doesn’t shy away from anything - they just haven’t deployed in that spot on the PP. which was until recently one of the top 3 or 4 in the league - and of course he’s taken some one timers….I mean wtf?

The problem is that Norris is being paid as a top 50 forward as his cap hit, but isn't actually a top 50 forward and can't stay healthy. Getting out of that contract would be great for the Sens.

 

[biturbo19]

Tough one to assess "value" on. I think Norris is the better player, but i also think it would benefit Ottawa to get out from under that contract with his lack of durability. Not listed in the trade, is all that extra cap flexibility they get from this. Plus Crouse, who would bring a much needed "attitude" and grit to Ottawa.

So i think on balance, they actually "win" this deal. But Norris when he's healthy, is a darn good 2C. So if he stays healthy, Utah probably also "wins" this deal because they need a Center like that.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Cap is also going to take a mighty jump next year and the year after that, so Norris keeps playing like he is so far this year, and suddenly next year his cap hit is fine. He's still a bit of a risk right now as you'd want to see a full season of his shoulder getting battle tested, but if it holds up Utah is the winner here and it's not close.

 

[Xspyrit]

The problem is that Norris is being paid as a top 50 forward as his cap hit, but isn't actually a top 50 forward and can't stay healthy. Getting out of that contract would be great for the Sens.

He is not going to be worth 7.95 but he can easily be worth 6.5 if he continues to play like that. He plays a good and complete 200 ft game and maybe his injuries are behind him. Until he runs into injuries again, Sens don't want to get out of the contract.

That said, I wouldn't mind trading him and Tkachuk for a culture shock/change but it would have to be a good hockey trade. Crouse wouldn't be a bad option IF we really believe we can get him back to a good level. Sens would save 3.65 AAV


Actually, would this trade interest Utah?

Dylan Guenther OR Clayton Keller + Lawson Crouse + picks

for

Brady Tkachuk + Josh Norris

 

[Wondercarrot]

He is not going to be worth 7.95 but he can easily be worth 6.5 if he continues to play like that. He plays a good and complete 200 ft game and maybe his injuries are behind him. Until he runs into injuries again, Sens don't want to get out of the contract.

That said, I wouldn't mind trading him and Tkachuk for a culture shock/change but it would have to be a good hockey trade. Crouse wouldn't be a bad option IF we really believe we can get him back to a good level. Sens would save 3.65 AAV


Actually, would this trade interest Utah?

Dylan Guenther OR Clayton Keller + Lawson Crouse + picks

for

Brady Tkachuk + Josh Norris

Ottawa fans have lost their minds.

 

[Xspyrit]

Ottawa fans have lost their minds.

There's obviously some panic going on with how things went. We were playing EXCELLENT hockey and suddenly, leading Philly 4-2 late in the 3rd, Ullmark gave some bad goals, team lost in OT and everything fell apart

But are you saying that because of my proposal? You don't think it's good for Ottawa?

 

[Jakey53]

To OTT:
Lawson Crouse

To UTA:
Josh Norris
Mads Sogaard

Utah can't afford to lose Crouse and his size. What about Schmaltz? Schmaltz is probably the better player production wise, and has had injuries in the past as well, but Norris is a C, and a good one when healthy. Past injuries still a concern with Norris.

 

[Xspyrit]

Utah can't afford to lose Crouse and his size. What about Schmaltz? Schmaltz is probably the better player production wise, and has had injuries in the past as well, but Norris is a C, and a good one when healthy. Past injuries still a concern with Norris.

Schmaltz is interesting but by subtracting Norris, not sure

Norris plays a complete 200 feet game, is good on face-offs and has that goal scoring ability that he is trying to rediscover.

I guess it would depend if Schmaltz would be interested to re-sign with Ottawa. He is also 3 years older so many things to consider