Confirmed with Link: Coyotes agree to terms with Vladislav Provolnev

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And Bush is third pairing/7th Dman at best. IF we don't have anybody in our system that is better than this never drafted 26 yo. Russian who has never played in NA, all I can say is God help us.

We're bare on the left side: We lost Bahl/Joseph our 2 top LHD prospects, all we have left:
Capobianco (no success at the NHL level)
Dineen (5'11'' smaller, puck mover) - certainly not ready for NHL yet
Callahan (still in College) - certainly not ready for NHL yet
Bergkvist (5'9'' smaller, puck mover Allsvensken) - certainly not ready for NHL yet

So I guess God Help Us!
 
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And Bush is third pairing/7th Dman at best. IF we don't have anybody in our system that is better than this never drafted 26 yo. Russian who has never played in NA, all I can say is God help us.

Bush has been on all three pairings. It isn't where you play.... it's how you complement the other guy on the pair. AND who you get put out against.

OEL-Bush wouldn't be a bad pairing if OEL was producing more effectively on offense.

This is a one year tryout for the guy. Just as Bush what went through initially. If he's an improvement on Lyubushkin then then odds are we'll still only have one Russian defenseman to start next year.
 

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Bush has been on all three pairings. It isn't where you play.... it's how you complement the other guy on the pair. AND who you get put out against.

OEL-Bush wouldn't be a bad pairing if OEL was producing more effectively on offense.

This is a one year tryout for the guy. Just as Bush what went through initially. If he's an improvement on Lyubushkin then then odds are we'll still only have one Russian defenseman to start next year.
Now you are saying OEL and Bush wouldn't be a bad pairing if OEL was better? What the hell are you smoking? Bush looked good because of OEL, not the other way around. Bush has improved, I'll give you that, and I enjoy watching him, but on a good team he's sitting in the press box drinking vodka. I think I need one after reading some of these comments.:)
 

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Now you are saying OEL and Bush wouldn't be a bad pairing if OEL was better? What the hell are you smoking? Bush looked good because of OEL, not the other way around. Bush has improved, I'll give you that, and I enjoy watching him, but on a good team he's sitting in the press box drinking vodka. I think I need one after reading some of these comments.:)

Have to agree here, on a good team Bush isn't playing.
 

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Now you are saying OEL and Bush wouldn't be a bad pairing if OEL was better? What the hell are you smoking? Bush looked good because of OEL, not the other way around. Bush has improved, I'll give you that, and I enjoy watching him, but on a good team he's sitting in the press box drinking vodka. I think I need one after reading some of these comments.:)

Have to agree here, on a good team Bush isn't playing.

Fine...

You two can continue your mutual back-slapping session about a player you’ve never seen beyond HF while everyone else watches.

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Fine...

You two can continue your mutual back-slapping session about a player you’ve never seen beyond HF while everyone else watches.

:sarcasm:

Hey, I'm in the camp for Vladislav, I'm hoping BA found a gem and I think we should evaluate him when he gets here rather than disparage him for playing in a league other than the NHL.
 

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We're bare on the left side: We lost Bahl/Joseph our 2 top LHD prospects, all we have left:
Capobianco (no success at the NHL level)
Dineen (5'11'' smaller, puck mover) - certainly not ready for NHL yet
Callahan (still in College) - certainly not ready for NHL yet
Bergkvist (5'9'' smaller, puck mover Allsvensken) - certainly not ready for NHL yet

So I guess God Help Us!
Good thing we have OEL and Chychrun under contract long-term. LD much easier to fill than RD. Im not worried about filing our bottom pairing Ld position.
 

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We have enough depth Dman.
We clearly do not. Look at the contracts coming off the books and figure out the line-up for defense next season and beyond. You also want variability in your line-up to matchup against certain teams. Sometimes we're going to want two big heavy defenseman in the line-up in Provolnev and Lyubushkin, and other times we can go with the finesse guys only. You're also completely disregarding injuries and completely disregarding getting players who can pair up in the AHL to properly play the system so you don't have something like only finesse guys getting paired down below and then coming up and not knowing how to play with a stay-at-home partner.
 

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We clearly do not. Look at the contracts coming off the books and figure out the line-up for defense next season and beyond. You also want variability in your line-up to matchup against certain teams. Sometimes we're going to want two big heavy defenseman in the line-up in Provolnev and Lyubushkin, and other times we can go with the finesse guys only. You're also completely disregarding injuries and completely disregarding getting players who can pair up in the AHL to properly play the system so you don't have something like only finesse guys getting paired down below and then coming up and not knowing how to play with a stay-at-home partner.
We have a farm full of depth Dman, and a couple playing for the Yotes as we speak, and if we don't resign Bush and Toaster bring up one of them. We can't win with a bunch of depth Dman.
 

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Good thing we have OEL and Chychrun under contract long-term. LD much easier to fill than RD. Im not worried about filing our bottom pairing Ld position.
And most want to run OEL out of town.
 

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OEL never should have been made captain. And the Coyotes need to find him a stable D partner. Maybe it is Soderstrom? Maybe a UFA like Larsson? Or is trading OEL the "appetite for different" that Armstrong is seeking?
 

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OEL never should have been made captain. And the Coyotes need to find him a stable D partner. Maybe it is Soderstrom? Maybe a UFA like Larsson? Or is trading OEL the "appetite for different" that Armstrong is seeking?
I just think we’ve reached the point to move on. The errors that OEL seems to be making consistently are things he wasn’t doing in his early years. Its mental. Either he’s overthinking or he’s not focused.
 

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I just think we’ve reached the point to move on. The errors that OEL seems to be making consistently are things he wasn’t doing in his early years. Its mental. Either he’s overthinking or he’s not focused.
I was (am) hoping Soderstrom would be the perfect fit as a D partner for OEL. Maybe next year? Lybushkin certainly isn't. Maybe Dumba? Ristolainen?
 

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OEL can't defend in his own zone, especially in high danger areas. This is why they have Bush with him - Bush has overtaken Demers as the best net protector on the team. It was highlighted pretty clearly last game as MacK walked by OEL's poor stick check and spacing as if he wasn't there, only to run into Bush who played the body and stopped MacK from getting a better shot off.

There was a time when OEL could calmly steal the puck away or force a guy to go wide, but those days are over. His technical skills as an actual defender are extremely suspect now. About all he is good for is shots from the point and his first pass, both of which are still well above average. Bush is an okay partner for this, as long as they don't see quality competition.

What Chychrun needs is anyone with legs. Goligoski is too old to pinch frequently and gets routinely beat to the puck when he shouldn't. Soderstrom should fill that gap.
 

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OEL never should have been made captain. And the Coyotes need to find him a stable D partner. Maybe it is Soderstrom? Maybe a UFA like Larsson? Or is trading OEL the "appetite for different" that Armstrong is seeking?
OEL is fine as C. Need a supporting cast and he never had any. Look who Doan had while he was C. Big difference is character.

I just think we’ve reached the point to move on. The errors that OEL seems to be making consistently are things he wasn’t doing in his early years. Its mental. Either he’s overthinking or he’s not focused.
I think OEL will be traded, but he if playing fine this year. If I was him, I couldn't wait to get the hell out of Dodge.
 

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OEL can't defend in his own zone, especially in high danger areas. This is why they have Bush with him - Bush has overtaken Demers as the best net protector on the team. It was highlighted pretty clearly last game as MacK walked by OEL's poor stick check and spacing as if he wasn't there, only to run into Bush who played the body and stopped MacK from getting a better shot off.

There was a time when OEL could calmly steal the puck away or force a guy to go wide, but those days are over. His technical skills as an actual defender are extremely suspect now. About all he is good for is shots from the point and his first pass, both of which are still well above average. Bush is an okay partner for this, as long as they don't see quality competition.

What Chychrun needs is anyone with legs. Goligoski is too old to pinch frequently and gets routinely beat to the puck when he shouldn't. Soderstrom should fill that gap.
Mac walks by everybody.
 

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OEL is fine as C. Need a supporting cast and he never had any. Look who Doan had while he was C. Big difference is character.

Are you serious?

Do you want me to post some of the rosters from Doan's captaincy? He had exactly one roster that had anything like a "supporting cast," and that was in 2011-2012.

You're right, though - the big difference is character. Doan had it in spades, and the only reason we're here to debate about the Coyotes at all is about 80% due to his force of personality.

OEL has the leadership capabilities of a diseased mackerel, based on the eye test. I don't know why that is. Maybe the death of his mom has ruined him for hockey. Or maybe now that all the guys he relied on as pals have retired or moved on to other teams, he doesn't have anybody in the room to help him be his best. Perhaps he hates Tocchet. Or possibly it's just an illustration of the Peter Principle.

All I know is that you could rely on Doan to pick the team up and carry it on his back, because you knew he was strong enough and respected enough. I don't believe OEL has that cachet with this room.
 
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Are you serious?

Do you want me to post some of the rosters from Doan's captaincy? He had exactly one roster that had anything like a "supporting cast," and that was in 2011-2012.

You're right, though - the big difference is character. Doan had it in spades, and the only reason we're here to debate about the Coyotes at all is about 80% due to his force of personality.

OEL has the leadership capabilities of a diseased mackerel, based on the eye test. I don't know why that is. Maybe the death of his mom has ruined him for hockey. Or maybe now that all the guys he relied on as pals have retired or moved on to other teams, he doesn't have anybody in the room to help him be his best. Perhaps he hates Tocchet. Or possibly it's just an illustration of the Peter Principle.

All I know is that you could rely on Doan to pick the team up and carry it on his back, because you knew he was strong enough and respected enough. I don't believe OEL has that cachet with this room.
There is only one Doan, but you better list those teams and you will see Doan's supporting cast. Most on these boards wanted Domi the meat head as Captain, so I'm happy with OEL. I don't think any of us have heard of any rumblings that players are not happy as OEL being Captain, or about his character. I think you are the only person in mankind that can tell a person's character by looking at him. For OEL's sake I hope he leaves, he deserves so much better. I think Doan would have left also if not for his family.
 

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I really hope that's true so he opens up his list of teams. That's the only way we'll get good value for him.
We will never be close to a SC contender during OEL's remaining years because of where we are at the moment. RT can't coach, Will his replacement be any better? Is BA any better than our previous GM's? For me personally, I'm not giving the team any more excuses and if I don't see significant improvement next year, I think I will throw in the towel on this team. I have watched and supported this team thru thick and thin and I thought I would always support them, but I guess their futility has worn me down. Hope BA is a miracle worker because that is what we need.
 

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Most on these boards wanted Domi the meat head as Captain, so I'm happy with OEL.

OEL's definitely better than Domi would have been. I liked Domi while he was here but I never wanted him as captain.

I think Doan would have left also if not for his family.

He had the opportunity to leave multiple times - IIRC he had a contract in hand from Vancouver at one point before he elected to stay. I think it's more than just his family, though, since his family split time between here and Canada. I think he felt loyalty to the market and wanted to see it work if there was even a remote chance for that to happen.
 

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