Coyotes 2021 Roster Discussion

[Jakey53]

Yandle and a draft pick for Demers and his expiring contract. Thats the type of deal i would be interested in.

Only if they retain on Yandle.

 

[TheLegend]

I mean, I get it - and I love Yandle as a person. But this team isn't nearly at the point where we can afford a specialist player, particularly at Keith's price point. And nobody's left in hockey ops who remembers Yandle as a loyal Coyote, so the odds of us bringing him back are pretty low.

It would take the "Shane Doan effect".

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Watching our crap PP suck the life out of our momentum last night made we want Yandle all the more. Just for that one thing.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[_Del_]

unfortunately, the Wild have no center hence why they desperately need one. However, I do believe the Wild would be more than willing to move Dumba for either piece since it would allow the Wild to go 7-3-1 in the ED instead of 8 skaters.

Earlier when the Wild had caproom and roster needs and the goalie market hadn't completely dried up, I proposed Schmaltz and Raanta for Dumba and Sturm. I'm not sure I'd still be interested in that with the way the season is heavily loaded with games/days, but something with Schmaltz and Dumba as the building blocks makes a lot of sense to me. Particularly if we somehow add a large body who we can try at center in the middle-six.

 

[rt]

Earlier when the Wild had caproom and roster needs and the goalie market hadn't completely dried up, I proposed Schmaltz and Raanta for Dumba and Sturm. I'm not sure I'd still be interested in that with the way the season is heavily loaded with games/days, but something with Schmaltz and Dumba as the building blocks makes a lot of sense to me. Particularly if we somehow add a large body who we can try at center in the middle-six.

Maybe if Hayton really starts to break-out over the next couple of weeks and Minnesota continues to struggle with their centers Schmaltz for Dumba could make a lot of sense for us. Dumba would be a huge add, given the shape of our blueline after this season.

One factor to consider; there are really only two teams in our division who are actually, legitimately competing for a playoff spot and that's Minnesota and Arizona. The California teams are junk and Colorado, Vegas, and St. Louis are locks. If things are going well for us, and poorly for Minny, I'm not sure I'd want to make a trade with them.

Too early for all of this. Something worth revisiting after game 11, or so (20% of the season).

 

[Mosby]

I'm only interested in Yandle if he comes discounted. This is Florida's f*** up. Let them fix it.

 

[_Del_]

If things are going well for us, and poorly for Minny, I'm not sure I'd want to make a trade with them.

Too early for all of this. Something worth revisiting after game 11, or so (20% of the season).

I'm not as interested in this year as I am in structuring the team for the future. I feel alot better with Dumba under contract next season than Schmaltz. It makes the offseason holes much easier to plug. One of Keller, Schmaltz, or Kessel still have to go, imo. Schmaltz is still my pick to shop.

 

[_Del_]

I'm only interested in Yandle if he comes discounted. This is Florida's f*** up. Let them fix it.

With that contract, he has to be discounted. Incentivized even. He's got another year longer than Kessel. That's a long time. If it was a two year deal, it'd be far more tempting.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I get your reasoning, though. I can understand why we aren't beating down their doors to get him. It's also possible that Zito has been leaning on Yandle to waive his NMC and that's what all this healthy scratch stuff has been. Just empty threats to gain leverage. It might be that Yandle is unwilling to uproot his family and isn't interested in living anywhere but Boston and Miami. Or maybe he just doesn't want to play here. Could be he's not interested in rehashing his experience here. Who knows?

I haven't been keeping track of Yandle's agent or his interactions with Zito, so I have very little idea of how things are going there. I do know that Yandle getting traded out of here shattered his preconceived notions about franchise loyalty - he's said as much in interviews. I don't know if he'd fit the stereotype of older NHL players wanting to retire in AZ because of the climate and lifestyle - having lived in Boston, I know how hard it is to uproot that ingrained native loyalty to Beantown. All speculative on my part, of course.

What I do know is that Bill Armstrong has a very particular idea of how he wants to reframe this franchise. I think he is fine with specialists and role players, as long as they do their jobs to the fullest every single night (hence Larsson, Pitlick, and Caggiula). I don't know what he'd make of Yandle - Keith's elite offensive skills and intelligence in the attacking zone have never quite overcome his downsides on the other end of the ice, and his age and price tag prejudice him even more. Maybe Yandle's intangibles would help offset that in BA's mind, I dunno. But it's hard for me to say what Armstrong's ideas might be, because we haven't yet seen his endgame with Tocchet, and we don't know what he's putting together for the upcoming offseason where we shed so many existing contracts at once.

Beyond that, I don't know how Yandle would play in our current room. The only guy who would even know him beyond simple name recognition would be OEL, and maybe Brassard (did they play together in NYC?), so whatever mythos he'd bring from Coyotes teams past would be wasted there. As a fan, too, I'm gunshy about bringing back "the greatest hits" players. Michalek and Roenick didn't exactly set the world on fire in their returns to Phoenix... Vrby got 55 in his season back from Vancouver but it didn't really get us anywhere.

I'd love to have Keith come to AZ as a coach or something, but I'd wager once he retires he's gonna stay where the chowder and Dunkin' Donuts are plentiful.

 

[rt]

Yandle has stated that he wants his kids to be raised in Boston. By the time he really has to make tough choices about schools for them, he'll be retired.

I'm not too worried about what presence or stature he'd have here. I just want someone who can help the PP. I don't need him to wear a letter or be a mentor or figure out how to be a good defender at his age. He can just come in and eat PP minutes. That's all I need from him.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Yandle has stated that he wants his kids to be raised in Boston. By the time he really has to make tough choices about schools for them, he'll be retired.

I'm not too worried about what presence or stature he'd have here. I just want someone who can help the PP. I don't need him to wear a letter or be a mentor or figure out how to be a good defender at his age. He can just come in and eat PP minutes. That's all I need from him.

and he has a Spittin Chicklets seat waiting for him.....

 

[technoviking]

I think schmaltz has been excellent to start this year, and while yes he did start well last year as well, he’s doing it from the center position this season and not from dvorak’s wing like he did last season pre-Hall. He’s skating north and he seems to have improved on faceoffs quite a bit. I’m not ready to deal schmaltz.

 

[rt]

I think schmaltz has been excellent to start this year, and while yes he did start well last year as well, he’s doing it from the center position this season and not from dvorak’s wing like he did last season pre-Hall. He’s skating north and he seems to have improved on faceoffs quite a bit. I’m not ready to deal schmaltz.

Agreed. He's been doing all the things I want him to do.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

For at least the next few weeks I think Schmaltz and Dvorak are not movable unless another C is coming back. Schmaltz is doing well at C right now. I don't think Hayton is ready to take that spot over if Schmaltz was moved. If Hayton looks like a top 6 C then Schmaltz becomes available.

For Yandle, I wonder if we could trade Capo for him, 50% retained...

 

[rt]

Yeah, I wouldn’t move top six forwards at this time. Need to wait and see. Would like Yandle as long as there’s significant retention. Florida doesn’t need any depth players, though. They’re really overstuffed at the bottom of their lineup with bodies. I think they’d rather get a draft pick (even if it’s a 4th rounder) than someone like Fischer or Capo.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Yah don't really see them taking Capo. Realistically I just want them to retain 1M in cash each year. Move Yandles pay down from 5m to 4m and change. I'm not too worried about cap space, I doubt we'll be a cap team next year.

I would be fine with a 4th for Yandle and 1M retention and a 3rd.

At 4M next season I think it would be fair pay. In the last year it would be a bit high. Pretty sure he's only paid 2.75M ROS after a 3M signing bonus this year. That's a bargain for us, making overpaying in the final season okay.

 

[RABBIT]

This insider has been connected/quoted by some notable names in the hockey verse. Has broken some things as well. Says he hears the Coyotes have kicked the tires on Yandle.

 

[lanky]

I don't want Yandle at all. His contract has negative value. If we take him, I don't want Florida to retain, I want them to send a high pick in return for a low pick.

 

[XX]

Capo @ 775k is better than being stuck with two more years of Yandle. The opportunity cost is simply too large unless Kessel is going the other way.

I suspect Zito just sends him to Boston retained if it comes to that.

 

[SniperHF]

Keith's elite offensive skills and intelligence in the attacking zone have never quite overcome his downsides on the other end of the ice,

This might very well be true now, but it most certainly was not always true.

 

[rt]

I'd be thrilled to add him at 50% - but without retention I'm extremely skeptical.

Let's say he's 25% retained (4.7625aav - FLA keeps 1.5875aav) - then I'm at a point where if the ask is a 2021 4th round pick, I really have to stop and think about that a while. I'm really not so sure.

 

[_Del_]

Still too much over three years. For me, anyway.

 

[Mosby]

I could see Yandle with moderate retention to Boston for some overpaid guy like Johnny Moore. Both teams get what they need.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

I'd be thrilled to add him at 50% - but without retention I'm extremely skeptical.

Let's say he's 25% retained (4.7625aav - FLA keeps 1.5875aav) - then I'm at a point where if the ask is a 2021 4th round pick, I really have to stop and think about that a while. I'm really not so sure.

I'd do it. That's 2M in salary this year, ~3.94M in salary in the last two years.

10M over three years is an average of 3.3M. Cap hit isn't great but actual salary is very acceptable.

 

[Jakey53]

I'd do it. That's 2M in salary this year, ~3.94M in salary in the last two years.

10M over three years is an average of 3.3M. Cap hit isn't great but actual salary is very acceptable.

I think Yandle would help our PP now, but even with retention, questions about revenue over the next two years I think long term he might be more of a liability than a solution. BA has this team in a semi rebuild, and Yandle is up there in age so I don't really see a fit.