Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #2

[Gwyddbwyll]

It will be much worse than a bag of pucks. If BA could move him for a 2027 7th, he’d do it instantly. No GM in the league would offer that.

It's far more likely as you've said already that BA will take on projects and problems he likes the look of. But I think he also wants a young talented player as was widely reported when Vancouver came calling last year. Maybe with the draft around the corner a 2nd will sweeten the deal for him.

I think you're somewhat overstating the value of cap space in isolation. OEL is not getting traded if doing so creates an even bigger hole on defense and a bigger problem for BA. He needs a defenseman back or some younger talent.

 

[moosemeister]

OEL is "having difficult time doing the basic fundamentals of playing hockey"? Maybe you should watch the games instead of relying on people from this forum giving you information.

Tell me how I’m wrong Jake. The guy doesn’t skate like he used to, his stick play isn’t as good as it used to be and his shot that was so lethal is nowhere to be found. These are clear cut signs of a guy breaking down. Father Time is undefeated

 

[rt]

It's far more likely as you've said already that BA will take on projects and problems he likes the look of. But I think he also wants a young talented player as was widely reported when Vancouver came calling last year. Maybe with the draft around the corner a 2nd will sweeten the deal for him.

I think you're somewhat overstating the value of cap space in isolation. OEL is not getting traded if doing so creates an even bigger hole on defense and a bigger problem for BA. He needs a defenseman back or some younger talent.

I'm talking OEL+Fischer for Myers, Roussel, Eriksson(B/O) & 40th overall. Saves Arizona a ton of salary and saves Vancouver a ton of cap space (in year one, year two it's a slight uptick, offset by Beagle's expiration, and then year three the cap goes way up).

Gives Benning a big upgrade on D, a shiny brand name acquisition, and frees up capspace for him to shore up other areas. Gets his neck out of the noose. Beyond the next three years, what does he care? He's on his last leg.

Meanwhile BA gets more budget room to sign players, has fewer to sign (Myers and Roussel) and gets a third 2nd round pick for him and his brand new staff to use in their very first draft as a team. He also ditches the 4th, 5th, and 6th years of OEL's deal when it's going to be especially bad, just as he starts to look to compete.

EDIT: This is just an example of the type of deal I think we'll see (if any at all). Short term GM dumps short term trash for short term upgrade. We see it all the time. I think the keys are that the Coyotes save cash money, move on from OEL and get at least a little something for the trouble.

 

[Sm00chy]

 

[The Feckless Puck]

If there's anyone in hockey I trust less than Nick Kypreos, I can't think of them offhand.

 

[Mosby]

Does that mean Schmidt (+) for OEL, or two separate deals?

 

[Bonsai Tree]

It doesn't matter what we think of OEL - it's what 31 other general managers think of him.

He's likely getting moved. The only real question is if we get more than a bag of pucks for him.

There's a big difference between wanting to move OEL, wanting to be moved, and actually moving. I am not confident that another team out there is willing to pick up that lousy combination of cap, real salary and term which is like a ball and chain attached to OEL's leg.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

If there's anyone in hockey I trust less than Nick Kypreos, I can't think of them offhand.

me?

 

[rt]

Does that mean Schmidt (+) for OEL, or two separate deals?

I'd happily do OEL for Schmidt and Eriksson.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

With the amount of bad contracts VAN has, they probably still are the best trading partner for an OEL deal. I think I’d prefer Roussel over Eriksson for the a-hole factor. Maybe they try to pawn Myers off on us too? Or we throw in a decent prospect like farinacci?

In any case, it would be extremely gratifying watching their fans flip is this actually happens, especially after so many of them have said that there’s no way benning will offer anything for OEL this summer

 

[hbk]

Does that mean Schmidt (+) for OEL, or two separate deals?

The way he phrased it, it sounds like 2 separate transactions. Ie Schmidt isn’t coming to AZ.

 

[XX]

I'd happily do OEL for Schmidt and Eriksson.

I think it'll be Eriksson and Roussel. 4.9m cash owed. Myers would be +2m this year.

Myers as a throw in would be survivable. $13m owed over the next 3 years. Still generates some 5v5, can PK.

 

[RABBIT]

According to Craig Morgan’s latest article, Bunting is planning on testing FA

 

[XX]

Nucks reporter shot this down a bit:

 

[Mosby]

Yep I think it's more a two part thing.

Schmidt to somewhere that isn't AZ
OEL to Vancouver

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

He confirmed also that AZ is on Schmidt’s trade list. This indicates to me that BA is actively pursuing him. If the feeling to swap OEL for Schmidt is mutual with VAN, I could still see a deal being worked out

 

[XX]

He confirmed also that AZ is on Schmidt’s trade list. This indicates to me that BA is actively pursuing him. If the feeling to swap OEL for Schmidt is mutual with VAN, I could still see a deal being worked out

Likely Canucks insisting he be in the deal when BA is asking for Myers or some other combination. That's the dance.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

31 thoughts talked a bit about OEL at the end of the podcast. Basically at this point its less about who OEL will waive to and more about what team is willing to make a deal for him.

Friedman also mentioned that OEL's exit interview at season's end was "brief as brief can be". This marriage is over, guys. He's gotta go. Keeping him around at this point will do long term damage to the locker room and the young core, not to mention the distraction it could cause for other guys who we desperately need to push forward to new heights next season.

Tourigny's big thing next season is to forget about the past and think about the present/future. Divorcing from OEL will be a big part of that.

 

[hbk]

31 thoughts talked a bit about OEL at the end of the podcast. Basically at this point its less about who OEL will waive to and more about what team is willing to make a deal for him.

Friedman also mentioned that OEL's exit interview at season's end was "brief as brief can be". This marriage is over, guys. He's gotta go. Keeping him around at this point will do long term damage to the locker room and the young core, not to mention the distraction it could cause for other guys who we desperately need to push forward to new heights next season.

Tourigny's big thing next season is to forget about the past and think about the present/future. Divorcing from OEL will be a big part of that.

Yep. I was completely wrong in my take. Took less than an hour. Not unheard of.

 

[Jakey53]

31 thoughts talked a bit about OEL at the end of the podcast. Basically at this point its less about who OEL will waive to and more about what team is willing to make a deal for him.

Friedman also mentioned that OEL's exit interview at season's end was "brief as brief can be". This marriage is over, guys. He's gotta go. Keeping him around at this point will do long term damage to the locker room and the young core, not to mention the distraction it could cause for other guys who we desperately need to push forward to new heights next season.

Tourigny's big thing next season is to forget about the past and think about the present/future. Divorcing from OEL will be a big part of that.

Was Friedman in the room? If I was OEL I would have kept it short as well. I would have said get me the hell out of this decade old shit show, and sooner the better.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

me?

I'd trust the posters of F40 over at least 60% of the hockey pundits in the media. I'd trust the posters on BoH more than I would Kypreos.

 

[Jakey53]

I'd trust the posters of F40 over at least 60% of the hockey pundits in the media. I'd trust the posters on BoH more than I would Kypreos.

I don't trust F40 because they listen and believe the jackasses in the media. Kypreos is just a mouth piece AND in the media.

 

[Jakey53]

Yep. I was completely wrong in my take. Took less than an hour. Not unheard of.

In all honestly we don't know what happened during that exit interview. I would like to be a fly on the wall next year during Chychrun's exit interview. If he plays as good as last year and we are as shitty or worse than this year I think he pulls an Eichel. Careers are short in the NHL and star players want to win. Let's see what happens but Eichel might have started something here.

 

[SR]

So Nate Schmidt wants to be here?

 

[RemoAZ]

The "reporters" have to get clicks and follows so they're always going to play up any little thing they can for added drama. OEL's exit interview could have been a couple minutes shorter than the one before him and they could turn that into him cutting it short because he wants out of here. We don't know what went on. I think we can be fairly confident of the fact that Bill wants to change the culture and style of play on the ice. The fastest way to start that is with a new coach. Second fastest is probably trading the captain but I don't think that's a lock. For all we know OEL and the coach could have already had a good talk and are on the same page. Don't discount the fact that OEL still eats 20+ and plays all situations. That still carries a lot of value in the NHL.