Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #1

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Sm00chy

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"Overbake" is fine for most prospects, but high end prospects don't need or shouldn't need to be "baked". The way it sounds, Hayton had no business being picked that high, so our expectations of him will have to be adjusted, and BA himself said Soderstrom will have a chance to make our team. I hope both come to training camp and make a big impact.
I respect your opinion here as I understand that his play has been underwhelming.

Personally I think he is still very early in his development and not ready yet to write him off as a #1c. Do I expect him to end up being a Top 20 center in this league? Probably not... but I think he can still develop into a very good center.

I have watched the Yotes rush prospects for far too long and I am open to trying the "overbake" approach...regardless of where a prospect is drafted.
 
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With Armstrong stating player salaries will increase...I am very intrigued by this offseason and what he has planned. I have flipped 5 or 6 times on the direction I think he is going to go.
 

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I was thinking cap. We are at about 51 mill. as we speak. I think our budget might be around 71 mill, but I could be wrong but I sure don't see up spending up to the cap. Say we have 20 mill. to spend with needing to sign 4 dman who are better than the ones we lose to UFA this year, plus signing Garland, maybe Bunting, our budget is shot, unless our budget is higher or we move Kessel after his bonus is paid and he ok's a deal. Interesting times.
 

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We are rebuilding, yes? No? In a rebuild, why wouldn't we expose Keller? He's untradeable with that contract and if Seattle takes him they do us a favor by freeing a lot of cap space.
 

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Whatever we do, I hope it includes bigger, stronger D that can pass well and bigger, stronger forwards that can shoot well. None of these guys need to be fast, just adequate. Goodrow, Coleman, Oleksiak, Johns, Forbort, Hakanpaa, Poolman, Janmark, Kuraly, Saad, Tatar, and Hyman are all players I have a lot of interest in. Most of them bring a strong physical element and none of them will break the bank.
 

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Whatever we do, I hope it includes bigger, stronger D that can pass well and bigger, stronger forwards that can shoot well. None of these guys need to be fast, just adequate. Goodrow, Coleman, Oleksiak, Johns, Forbort, Hakanpaa, Poolman, Janmark, Kuraly, Saad, Tatar, and Hyman are all players I have a lot of interest in. Most of them bring a strong physical element and none of them will break the bank.
I can't speak for the rest but Hyman will not be cheap. I think he will get a contract he can't live up to and won't age well.
 
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I’ve seen 5+ mil floated for Hyman. No thanks.
I like Hyman but he's 29 and has missed considerable time for the last couple seasons. It's highly unlikely he plays to his contract for next few years. And when that contract is for 5 years at $5 million plus its an easy no for me.
 
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Whatever we do, I hope it includes bigger, stronger D that can pass well and bigger, stronger forwards that can shoot well. None of these guys need to be fast, just adequate. Goodrow, Coleman, Oleksiak, Johns, Forbort, Hakanpaa, Poolman, Janmark, Kuraly, Saad, Tatar, and Hyman are all players I have a lot of interest in. Most of them bring a strong physical element and none of them will break the bank.

Hakanpaa is fantastic. Watched a decent amount of his play in real time bc of the fantasy league (thx @RABBIT ), any team in the league would love to have him. He's like an equally physical version of Bush but one who actually has good defensive awareness and blocks a ton of shots. And he's a UFA coming off a $750K year and a 3rd pairing assignment on Carolina, Carolina doesn't owe him anything and he's not part of their core so maybe they let him walk.

If we could sign Hakanpaa to a long term even at 3-4m or so that would be the steal of the century even though that much money is well over market (market is what, $2m or so for a 3 year deal?). He'd be an amazing partner for Chychrun for the next 5 years. Here's hoping BA sees this the same way and can get something done, Hakanpaa would really help our team.

And if BA doesn't read the forums, we know Craig Morgan does, Craig please mention something if you can, we need a relatively inexpensive defensive defenseman like that. Thanks!
 
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I really don't think our team is that far from the playoffs. This season will be a transition year. New coach. Lots of turnover. We won't fill all the holes on the team.

But the following offseason, Kessel is off the books. Full crowds, new TV deal should mean a larger budget. (Maybe close to the cap?) We'll be able to be active in free agency for two years.

Toughen up the bottom 6. Young players will continue to develop. Soderstrom, Hayton, Jenik, Macceli on the way. In 2 years I think we should be a playoff team. 3 years make some noise in the playoffs.

To take the leap to Cup contender we'll need a couple big trades, like STL made with ROR and Schenn, and solid goaltender. If the young players develop and BA lives up to his drafting pedigree we should have assets to make a big trade.
 

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I really don't think our team is that far from the playoffs. This season will be a transition year. New coach. Lots of turnover. We won't fill all the holes on the team.

But the following offseason, Kessel is off the books. Full crowds, new TV deal should mean a larger budget. (Maybe close to the cap?) We'll be able to be active in free agency for two years.

Toughen up the bottom 6. Young players will continue to develop. Soderstrom, Hayton, Jenik, Macceli on the way. In 2 years I think we should be a playoff team. 3 years make some noise in the playoffs.

To take the leap to Cup contender we'll need a couple big trades, like STL made with ROR and Schenn, and solid goaltender. If the young players develop and BA lives up to his drafting pedigree we should have assets to make a big trade.
I don't think they're that far from the playoffs but I think they are far AF from being a contender in said playoffs. The Coyotes are to the NHL playoffs what Glass Joe is to Mike Tyson's Punch Out on NES.
 
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I don't think they're that far from the playoffs but I think they are far AF from being a contender in said playoffs. The Coyotes are to the NHL playoffs what Glass Joe is to Mike Tyson's Punch Out on NES.

OMG that is so not true. I recently semi-abused save states (saved before every fight) and re-beat most of Mike Tyson's punch out on my Wii U, everyone except for the last boss Mr. Dream who was Mike Tyson's replacement after the licensing agreement ran out. Seems like there's a split second lag so I'm not going to spend the time to beat Mr. Dream the same way I somehow beat Tyson as a kid.

But, I did beat Super Mario 3 on this Wii U with the same way of using save states (never beat the game as a kid) so maybe it's a reflex thing instead of lag. Although I will still blame the half second lag I read about on reddit (which actually think may be accurate but who actually knows).

But yeah, Glass Joe? Come on. Use a better example. Maybe Soda Popinski, or even the 2nd version of Piston Honda. Actually Soda Popinski's probably a good example, I had a ton of trouble with Soda Popinski this time but never had any trouble as a kid.

But Glass Joe? Come on @Sinurgy. If that's true you need to get better at old *ss NES games ;)
 

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I don't think they're that far from the playoffs but I think they are far AF from being a contender in said playoffs. The Coyotes are to the NHL playoffs what Glass Joe is to Mike Tyson's Punch Out on NES.
Definitely need a couple big moves down the road to get there but I think we have a roster that can be worked with to get there without starting anew.

I think we're set up in place to get where STL was prior to the ROR and Schenn trades.
 

Jakey53

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Definitely need a couple big moves down the road to get there but I think we have a roster that can be worked with to get there without starting anew.

I think we're set up in place to get where STL was prior to the ROR and Schenn trades.
Let's see what BA pulls out of his hat. It starts with a coach.
 

Sm00chy

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I really don't think our team is that far from the playoffs. This season will be a transition year. New coach. Lots of turnover. We won't fill all the holes on the team.

But the following offseason, Kessel is off the books. Full crowds, new TV deal should mean a larger budget. (Maybe close to the cap?) We'll be able to be active in free agency for two years.

Toughen up the bottom 6. Young players will continue to develop. Soderstrom, Hayton, Jenik, Macceli on the way. In 2 years I think we should be a playoff team. 3 years make some noise in the playoffs.

To take the leap to Cup contender we'll need a couple big trades, like STL made with ROR and Schenn, and solid goaltender. If the young players develop and BA lives up to his drafting pedigree we should have assets to make a big trade.
This is similar to how I feel about this Yotes roster. Love some of the core pieces… but need some trades and player development to pan out…. As does every Cup contending team
 
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