Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #1

[moosemeister]

Is that why we are about to sign 28 yo Jaskin?
And I'm going to like that signing!

Im not quite sure what you’re getting at. And if I misunderstood you, I apologize.

Signing 28 year old Jaskin is a roll of the dice. AZ isn’t signing Ovechkin, they’re signing Jaskin. The guy might not even make the team out of camp. Haha

 

[Sinurgy]

Winning the SC. I don't care about the regular season. Sure it's fun to watch a team like Colorado kill other teams in the regular season, but after a couple of years you want more, like the SC. If they don't win it this year their fans will be screaming. The bar is set so low here, making the playoffs is like winning the SC.

They're not mutually exclusive, look how long the Caps were playoff disappointments before finally breaking through. Though my point is even if they never broke through and won a cup, their fanbase had literally thousands of hours of elite level entertainment. Not just gobs and gobs of winning but also watching a future hall of fame scorer do his thing. I would greatly prefer that to a team that mostly sucks but has a random cinderella run.

I get wanting to be entertained, but ask any NHLer how much the President's Trophy means. None of them give a flying f--k about it. It's not weird that you want to be entertained given the dull, smoldering, tire fire of an organization that you follow, but preferring to be a consistent President's Trophy contender and not caring about playoff result is weird.

I mean yeah, if I was a player I might feel differently, however I'm not, I'm a fan and ultimately the entire point behind beings a sports fan is being entertained. I do care about winning the cup obviously but I'd place more value on just being awesome for like 10 - 15 years straight. The bang for buck there would be through the roof. Basically perennial contender > one hit wonder.

 

[Schemp]

Im not quite sure what you’re getting at. And if I misunderstood you, I apologize.

Signing 28 year old Jaskin is a roll of the dice. AZ isn’t signing Ovechkin, they’re signing Jaskin. The guy might not even make the team out of camp. Haha

?? I am sure GMBA knows what Jaskin can do and by the end of next season he will look like a bargain. I don't see a bad team, I see holes in the roster and this off-season, there will be opportunities to fill the roster. Jaskin is a power forward that we desperately need (considering our top power forward is 5'7").
I believe GMBA was brought in to make this a competitive team. And it's about the contracts and how well the player honors them (mostly on-ice performances). 1st year was a wash, 2nd year start collecting more great contracts! We need another center if Hayton ain't it, and a LW to take draws for Schmaltz. But our top priority right now, is the defense.

 

[Jakey53]

I didn't speculate that. I suspect he signs for the $6 million range to be a secondary piece with no pressure. He doesn't want to be tge center of attention anymore

I would sign him for that, but I expect he will sign with Boston, but their team is getting old.

 

[Jakey53]

They're not mutually exclusive, look how long the Caps were playoff disappointments before finally breaking through. Though my point is even if they never broke through and won a cup, their fanbase had literally thousands of hours of elite level entertainment. Not just gobs and gobs of winning but also watching a future hall of fame scorer do his thing. I would greatly prefer that to a team that mostly sucks but has a random cinderella run.


I mean yeah, if I was a player I might feel differently, however I'm not, I'm a fan and ultimately the entire point behind beings a sports fan is being entertained. I do care about winning the cup obviously but I'd place more value on just being awesome for like 10 - 15 years straight. The bang for buck there would be through the roof. Basically perennial contender > one hit wonder.

The SC is all that matters, ask any player, but if my team was in the playoffs every year, I would be happy for a few years, but then would want more, as most fans, but winning the SC is hard. Like I said, I don't care about the regular season, I want my team in the playoffs where anything can happen. Once you experience your team going far in the playoffs and see the excitement it brings to fans, city, state, etc. you would change your mind.

 

[awfulwaffle]

The SC is all that matters, ask any player, but if my team was in the playoffs every year, I would be happy for a few years, but then would want more, as most fans, but winning the SC is hard. Like I said, I don't care about the regular season, I want my team in the playoffs where anything can happen. Once you experience your team going far in the playoffs and see the excitement it brings to fans, city, state, etc. you would change your mind.

Any sports title is difficult to attain. I'd rather be a regular playoff contender, and then have to figure out what it might take to get to the SC, instead of being a bottom-rung team regularly and having to figure out how to make the playoffs.

 

[hbk]

The impression that i get after listening to 31 Thoughts with AZ and their intention to add draft capital than they could look at moving Garland as a route to secure a first rounder.

 

[Jakey53]

Any sports title is difficult to attain. I'd rather be a regular playoff contender, and then have to figure out what it might take to get to the SC, instead of being a bottom-rung team regularly and having to figure out how to make the playoffs.

That's fine, but once you get a taste of the SC playoffs, you want more.

 

[Jakey53]

The impression that i get after listening to 31 Thoughts with AZ and their intention to add draft capital than they could look at moving Garland as a route to secure a first rounder.

That's dumb, unless it is a very high first. We need to protect Garland from all the physical crap he is taking.

 

[RABBIT]

The impression that i get after listening to 31 Thoughts with AZ and their intention to add draft capital than they could look at moving Garland as a route to secure a first rounder.

just listened. Sounds like Elliotte is expecting the Coyotes to field a lot of calls on Garland still.

 

[Gwyddbwyll]

Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself. This is starting to feel like the Briere-Gratton trade.

Pay Garland and keep him one more year. He can still be traded later and for young players not 1st round picks.

 

[moosemeister]

Of all the players this team should be trading away for capital, Garland and Chychrun are about the last two who need to be traded. Haha

 

[Neighborhood Coyote]

Of all the players this team should be trading away for capital, Garland and Chychrun are about the last two who need to be traded. Haha

Agreed. Kind of a BS move to talk about wanting guys who wanna "bleed in the desert" and then considering trading one of your only fiery guys who literally scored a goal off of his face and gets punished every night but still brings it.

 

[cobra427]

Briere was a C and Chych is a top pairing D, you shouldn't trade those assets, too hard to acquire. I like Garland but he is a small winger, they are easy to get. Next year we have small players in Schmaltz/Keller/Garland, and Bunting is a winger as well. If Garland were traded for a C or part of a package for a top 4RHD, our biggest need, I would do it. I would move Keller or Garland but Garland will be easier to move because he's not over paid yet like Keller.

Again, I love Garland but would trade him because: Do we really need another small highly paid winger?

 

[Schemp]

It's probably just GMBA asking around for players and the typical response of "starting with Garland", but then again we are not privy to contract negotiations.

 

[RemoAZ]

I'd dump Schmaltz and Keller waaaay before I'd even take calls on Garland.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

In any other year, I could see trading Garland for a first or other draft-related capital. But this year? Unless you've got someone you feel like you can't miss out on in the first round, it's not worth it - and who knows who qualifies as that this year with such a dearth of play time and scouting?

I also don't think Garland would get us a high first, which is the only thing I think would make the trade worthwhile.

 

[jdfitz12]

Will the Yotes pay Garland $5 -$6 M or trade him?

 

[Mosby]

Longevity is the biggest concern with Garland given his playing style.

 

[Jakey53]

Briere was a C and Chych is a top pairing D, you shouldn't trade those assets, too hard to acquire. I like Garland but he is a small winger, they are easy to get. Next year we have small players in Schmaltz/Keller/Garland, and Bunting is a winger as well. If Garland were traded for a C or part of a package for a top 4RHD, our biggest need, I would do it. I would move Keller or Garland but Garland will be easier to move because he's not over paid yet like Keller.

Again, I love Garland but would trade him because: Do we really need another small highly paid winger?

I do not want to trade Garland for a pick or picks, rather a player of equal quality. Too much can go wrong with a pick, even a high pick. Now, I would trade Garland for a C of equal quality and age, even if we would have to add to get that C.

 

[Jakey53]

I'd dump Schmaltz and Keller waaaay before I'd even take calls on Garland.

We missed the playoffs. I take calls on every player, no one should be untouchable.

 

[Grimes]

Would Avs be interested in something around Garland for Newhook? That's the type of trade I would be looking for. If he wants 5-6m that's still cheaper than them replacing someone like Saad in FA.

 

[Jakey53]

Longevity is the biggest concern with Garland given his playing style.

Not worried about his playing style, it's the abuse from other teams not scared at taking illegal shots at him because we have no one to protect him.

 

[Jakey53]

Would Avs be interested in something around Garland for Newhook? That's the type of trade I would be looking for. If he wants 5-6m that's still cheaper than them replacing someone like Saad in FA.

AVS won't do that. They need money for players coming off their ELC.

 

[Jamieh]

I would sign him for that, but I expect he will sign with Boston, but their team is getting old.

That would be the Boston or serious contender price. I don't think he has any interest in playing for a team that needs him, he wants to play in the background.