OT: Covid-19 (Part 46) Under Pressure

[Milhouse40]

Everything is under control... It's not like there was 3 previous waves that could have been used to learn a few useful lessons along the way... Oh wait, there was.

As its stand, Canada and Germany truly became the golden standard on how to handle this covid thing in the Western world. And it's nothing to brag about, because it truly feel like we just won a softball game against a team of blind 12 years old.

Pretty much.
We look like geniuses next to our friends south of the border.....and we're not that good.

 

[WinterLion]

Pretty much.
We look like geniuses next to our friends south of the border.....and we're not that good.

It's so sad. It's really heartbreaking. I hope they can get through this.

 

[Milhouse40]

 

[MXD]

Guess which really, really big beneficiary of Covid just decided to the amputate the hand that fed it?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Guess which really, really big beneficiary of Covid just decided to the amputate the hand that fed it?

Well don’t leave us hanging, tell us. Lol

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Everything is under control... It's not like there was 3 previous waves that could have been used to learn a few useful lessons along the way... Oh wait, there was.

As its stand, Canada and Germany truly became the golden standard on how to handle this covid thing in the Western world. And it's nothing to brag about, because it truly feel like we just won a softball game against a team of blind 12 years old.

That's terrible. I really feel bad for the folks in Florida.

Totally agree with you on Canada too. We didn't handle it well either. Being better than the US doesn't mean much.

I'm glad to see the mandates coming for workers. It should help.

 

[MXD]

Well don’t leave us hanging, tell us. Lol

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[dinodebino]

André Jacques? Sounds like Francophone family to me. It's pretty rare to have Americans use the accent on André. I know, it's OT, but I find it peculiar. Is all. OK. Ferme la parenthèse.

 

[covfefe]

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[MasterD]

Very well. If there is SERIOUS debate on it, then it’s a different story. But when I hear that these scientists are outside the mainstream, then I’m not going to take it seriously.

I’m adamant on the vaccine. It works. As for boosters, next steps... that’s fine, I’ll wait for scientific consensus. If and when it’s reached, then I will follow that direction. I’m not a scientist and would never claim to be one. But I’m not going to follow Dr Quack off Facebook or take anything there and treat it with any kind of credibility.

Agree to disagree there. Going far far back, but there was a time when mainstream thought the Earth was flat. Scientists were ridiculed and killed when they said they thought the earth was round (or any other shape, I guess).

There's good proof and science out there in the nutrition space regarding the link between carb intake and type 2 diabetes. More and more anecdotal is mounting up with people who reverse their T2D with a low carb and/or keto diet. Yet, the ADA just released last year their first mention than "maybe" limiting carbs could be a decent approach for those people... decades after the concept has been thought of.

Mainstream is, by definition, always behind clinitians, because clinicians need to bring in new hypothesis's (sp?), try them, and then when the evidence is mounting, studies get made IF someone wants to finance them.

All I'm saying is, again, that we need to keep an open, critical mind.

Thank you for the respectful discussion this morning. I like debating, but some people here are just closed minded and would rather ridicule than discuss.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Dr. Parik Patel, BA, CFA, ACCA Esq is absolutely right

 

[Milhouse40]

On one side



On the other side
Sydney is under lockdown until September 30th and this

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Agree to disagree there. Going far far back, but there was a time when mainstream thought the Earth was flat. Scientists were ridiculed and killed when they said they thought the earth was round (or any other shape, I guess).

There's good proof and science out there in the nutrition space regarding the link between carb intake and type 2 diabetes. More and more anecdotal is mounting up with people who reverse their T2D with a low carb and/or keto diet. Yet, the ADA just released last year their first mention than "maybe" limiting carbs could be a decent approach for those people... decades after the concept has been thought of.

Mainstream is, by definition, always behind clinitians, because clinicians need to being in new hypothesis's (sp?), try them, and then when the evidence is mounting, studies get made IF someone wants to finance them.

All I'm saying is, again, that we need to keep an open, critical mind.

Thank you for the respectful discussion this morning. I like debating, but some people here are just closed minded and would rather ridicule than discuss.

As I said, healthy debate is fine. I’m open to different ideas. We have to be given the novelty of this virus.

But it has to be accredited, respected scientists having the debate. If not, then you open the door to quacks.

I get the Copernicus type references. That’s all well and good. But this is not medieval times. “Scientists” on Facebook are not the same thing as what we should be talking about.

If the debate is in the mainstream... great. Have it out. Let them come to their conclusions. If there’s no consensus, it’s a different story.

 

[Passchendaele]

You can find liars everywhere. The question is, who has more transparency and accountability – scientists whose work is being scrutinized by every credible institution across the planet, or the self-proclaimed experts blogging from their basement?

What we do know, is that Ontario doctors were threatened with losing their practicing license if they even DARED to speak against the holy mask, social distancing, or the Holy Grail: the jab.

Something similar in Quebec. The few who dared to speak were quickly silenced and faced similar repercussions.

The fact that actual experts are censored and silenced is the ultimate red flag.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

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I saw this this morning. Like...wtf. That's your entire reason for existing lol so messed up. All those sex workers working in the safety of their own homes...aye. What's with the damn hate on sex workers man.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

What we do know, is that Ontario doctors were threatened with losing their practicing license if they even DARED to speak against the holy mask, social distancing, or the Holy Grail: the jab.

Something similar in Quebec. The few who dared to speak were quickly silenced and faced similar repercussions.

The fact that actual experts are censored and silenced is the ultimate red flag.

Can you put forward your source on this information? I don't remember reading this anywhere. However, it could be that they asked the medical field to hold up on their opinion until the order had come up with a strategy to tackle it. You don't want misinformation flowing out of folks who command actual respect. So I could understand the position to ask them to remain quiet until it's sorted out.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

What we do know, is that Ontario doctors were threatened with losing their practicing license if they even DARED to speak against the holy mask, social distancing, or the Holy Grail: the jab.

Something similar in Quebec. The few who dared to speak were quickly silenced and faced similar repercussions.

The fact that actual experts are censored and silenced is the ultimate red flag.

source?

 

[MasterD]

Can you put forward your source on this information? I don't remember reading this anywhere. However, it could be that they asked the medical field to hold up on their opinion until the order had come up with a strategy to tackle it. You don't want misinformation flowing out of folks who command actual respect. So I could understand the position to ask them to remain quiet until it's sorted out.

source?

Here's one that comes to mind, but I remember there were more:
COVID-19: ce médecin controversé fait l’objet d’une enquête

I also remember Dre Borduas-Roy being dragged in front of the CMQ AND the Ordre des diététistes for talking about low-carb diets for treating metabolic disease Les nutritionnistes sont prudents par rapport à l’alimentation cétogène.

Scientists/doctors/specialists are not allowed to deviate from the mainstream in Quebec, even with mounting evidence.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Here's one that comes to mind, but I remember there were more:
COVID-19: ce médecin controversé fait l’objet d’une enquête

I mean he literally starts out with this: " Fêter Noël en famille, c’est plus important pour moi qu’éviter la COVID." That's not research, that's an opinion. And if COVID has taught us anything, it's that even MDs can have a shitty opinion.

Scientists/doctors/specialists are not allowed to deviate from the mainstream in Quebec, even with mounting evidence.

Let's break this down.

"Not allowed to deviate from the mainstream". Was this doctor thrown in jail for his bad opinion on Twitter? Or was he just shunned by the rest of the medical community?

"...even with mounting evidence." Again, a few tweets is not evidence my dude. You're gonna have to do better than that.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Here's one that comes to mind, but I remember there were more:
COVID-19: ce médecin controversé fait l’objet d’une enquête

I also remember Dre Borduas-Roy being dragged in front of the CMQ AND the Ordre des diététistes for talking about low-carb diets for treating metabolic disease Les nutritionnistes sont prudents par rapport à l’alimentation cétogène.

Scientists/doctors/specialists are not allowed to deviate from the mainstream in Quebec, even with mounting evidence.

This isn’t just in Quebec. Dr’s around the world are silenced for having views that contradict the official narrative. Not just with covid, but plenty of other diseases and ailments.

Whether these Dr’s end up being proven right is irrelevant, we should still listen to what they have to say in case they are right.

 

[Treb]

This isn’t just in Quebec. Dr’s around the world are silenced for having views that contradict the official narrative. Not just with covid, but plenty of other diseases and ailments.

Whether these Dr’s end up being proven right is irrelevant, we should still listen to what they have to say in case they are right.

Opinions that are dangerous for the health of the public should not be left in the open. People tend to trust doctors and you don't want them to start chugging horse medicine because they saw a tweet with unproven (or even disproven) claims on the internet.

 

[Lshap]

What we do know, is that Ontario doctors were threatened with losing their practicing license if they even DARED to speak against the holy mask, social distancing, or the Holy Grail: the jab.

Something similar in Quebec. The few who dared to speak were quickly silenced and faced similar repercussions.

The fact that actual experts are censored and silenced is the ultimate red flag.

This isn’t just in Quebec. Dr’s around the world are silenced for having views that contradict the official narrative. Not just with covid, but plenty of other diseases and ailments.

Whether these Dr’s end up being proven right is irrelevant, we should still listen to what they have to say in case they are right.

The irony is how loud these 'silenced' experts are. There they are, on blogs, alt-publications, FB and Twitter, pumping out articles and videos about their supposed 'silencing', trying to use privately owned social media platforms to promote bullshit and pouting when the owners of those platforms say no.

Let's be clear about this. The only thing silencing these people is hard evidence that they're wrong. They, along with the anti-vaccination crowd, took a contrary stand and were proven wrong. But because they've dug in so deep, they can't admit it. The real debate is over, so they've swapped it out for a comic book with heroes and villains and make-believe conspiracies. The glorification of ignorance continues...

 

[waffledave]

Opinions that are dangerous for the health of the public should not be left in the open. People tend to trust doctors and you don't want them to start chugging horse medicine because they saw a tweet with unproven (or even disproven) claims on the internet.

This is now the antivaxx movement started. A supposedly credible doctor claiming he had evidence that vaccines cause autism and it spread like wildfire. And still spreads today even though he was a proven fraud and admitted to making it all up.

 

[Lshap]

This is now the antivaxx movement started. A supposedly credible doctor claiming he had evidence that vaccines cause autism and it spread like wildfire. And still spreads today even though he was a proven fraud and admitted to making it all up.

Did he actually admit he made it up? My sister-in-law still believes this; I'd love to gently point her towards that info.

 

[Treb]

This is now the antivaxx movement started. A supposedly credible doctor claiming he had evidence that vaccines cause autism and it spread like wildfire. And still spreads today even though he was a proven fraud and admitted to making it all up.

Having your article retracted and your medical license barred for life does that.

He sold his soul for money and it ended badly for his medical career. His new anti-vax career has sadly gone pretty well.