Proposal: Could your team trade an LHD for an RHD?

[Whileee]

Top pairing LHD for an expendable asset.

Laine plays LW.
Connor plays LW.
Ehlers plays LW.
Lemieux plays LW
Dano plays LW.

If Winnipeg doesn't have interest in Fowler or want to trade for him...do they want to make the playoffs?

Ehlers very often plays RW, and prefers it there. So does Dano. Laine might play RW to start with, too.

I think they'll likely end up nicely balanced like this....

LW: Laine, Connor, Perreault, Lemieux
RW: Wheeler, Ehlers, Dano, Armia

The Jets seem quite interested in playing Trouba on LD (with Buff). He was very effective there in the latter half of last season. Jets' top-4 would be....

Trouba-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Myers

LHD depth: Morrissey, Chiarot, Stuart, Melchiori
RHD depth: Postma, Kichton, Kostalek

 

[Opak]

Stoner for Stuart as a base?

LOL - Done.

Stoner for Stuart? This Ducks fan says yes.

Let's get the paperwork going, shall we?

 

[Hunter368]

Reinhart
Bear
condition 1st (If Oilers don't make playoffs, 2018 1st)

FOR

Trouba

Zero interest in Reinhart in any trade involving Trouba.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Stoner for Stuart? This Ducks fan says yes.

Let's get the paperwork going, shall we?

Stoner contract NHL Salary $3,250,000 and $3,250,000 = $6,500,000

Stuart contract NHL Salary $2,700,000 and $1,750,000 = $4,450,000

Yeah that would help with our budget.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Ducks have what Oilers would want Oilers don't have the right kind of piece for Fowler.

True, but what about Depres? We are really looking for a 2nd/3rd pair guy anyway. Considering Anaheim's cap situation, what do you guys think Depres' value is? We could take the salary off your hands, but the only real cheap guys we have are Nurse, Reinhart, Davidson and Oesterle. And I expect only Oesterle, or a longshot prospect like Musil or Simpson would be available.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Depres
Davidson-Fayne

Let's us start Nurse and Griffin in the AHL where they should have spent all of last season.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Fine. I'll say it. Nurse and a pick for Trouba.

Winnipeg wont, Nurse is a downgrade compared to Trouba.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Fowler
Svechnikov


Tatar
DET 2nd


Shattenkirk, signed

Done this helps all 3 teams out here, Still would rather have Shatty then Fowler myself.

 

[Ducks in a row]

True, but what about Depres? We are really looking for a 2nd/3rd pair guy anyway. Considering Anaheim's cap situation, what do you guys think Depres' value is? We could take the salary off your hands, but the only real cheap guys we have are Nurse, Reinhart, Davidson and Oesterle. And I expect only Oesterle, or a longshot prospect like Musil or Simpson would be available.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Depres
Davidson-Fayne

Let's us start Nurse and Griffin in the AHL where they should have spent all of last season.

Don't want any defenseman prospects we are strong at that.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Reading this thread I've learned Ehlers is really over rated. Some of the value fans are placing on him is crazy. Nylander doesn't even get that kind of value, and he's comparable (if not better) and a C!

 

[ManofSteel55]

Don't want any defenseman prospects we are strong at that.

Oesterle isn't really a prospect. He showed that he can be a decent depth NHL'er. Basically you would be moving out Depres and his salary who will be probably playing on your bottom pair for Oesterle and his much lower salary who could also play on your bottom pair. That said, I recognize that the Ducks have guys like Montour who they could move up and the interest in Oesterle could likely be nill as a result. The real value is in moving out Depres' contract so you can re-sign Lindholm and Rakell.

 

[Hunter368]

Reading this thread I've learned Ehlers is really over rated. Some of the value fans are placing on him is crazy. Nylander doesn't even get that kind of value, and he's comparable (if not better) and a C!

Example?

No interest in trading Ehlers for 2 years of Fowler who many view as a 2nd pairing guy. I doubt Leafs would do that trade either if discussing Nylander for Fowler.

What are you referencing otherwise with Ehlers?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Example?

No interest in trading Ehlers for 2 years of Fowler who many view as a 2nd pairing guy. I doubt Leafs would do that trade either if discussing Nylander for Fowler.

What are you referencing otherwise with Ehlers?

Laughing at Fowler and asking for Lindholm if Ehlers is going? Don't get me wrong, Ehlers does have a lot of value, and he's great, and as a Leaf fan I know it's fun to get excited about our prospects, but dude.

Lindholm is a borderline #1 D in the NHL RIGHT NOW and only a few years older. Fowler has played as a top pairing D in the NHL for years, and is at worst a #3. Ehlers doesn't get either by himself. Ehlers had half of a good year if we're honest. We seen his flashes which is why you value him so highly, but he might not hit that ceiling.

I think if we're honest, a really good 2nd liner is most likely his projection at this point. Maybe he becomes a good first liner fi he really goes nuts. He's got the shot to score 30 goals every year on some teams top line. However all of this is IF.

 

[mondo3]

Winnipeg wont, Nurse is a downgrade compared to Trouba.

If Trouba does not want to sign in Wpg (or wants too much $$) then Wpg might accept a trade where they get a lesser player but perhaps an add of a draft pick. ex: Trouba for Nurse + 3rd (or something like that). I think they would only do this though for a LHD.

 

[Hunter368]

Laughing at Fowler and asking for Lindholm if Ehlers is going? Don't get me wrong, Ehlers does have a lot of value, and he's great, and as a Leaf fan I know it's fun to get excited about our prospects, but dude.

Lindholm is a borderline #1 D in the NHL RIGHT NOW and only a few years older. Fowler has played as a top pairing D in the NHL for years, and is at worst a #3. Ehlers doesn't get either by himself. Ehlers had half of a good year if we're honest. We seen his flashes which is why you value him so highly, but he might not hit that ceiling.

I think if we're honest, a really good 2nd liner is most likely his projection at this point. Maybe he becomes a good first liner fi he really goes nuts. He's got the shot to score 30 goals every year on some teams top line. However all of this is IF.

Most Jets fans know and would agree Ehlers wouldn't get us Lindholm straight up. No debate there.

Fowler? No thx. I'll agree he's either a low end 2nd or good 3rd dman, most Jets fans who see him a lot view him as a #3 guy. This isn't the main point though. The main point is both Leafs/Jets are building via draft, neither are ready to compete for the cup in the next few years so why would either team pizz away Ehlers or Nylander for guy who would be long gone via Ufa by the time were ready to compete?

 

[ManofSteel55]

Example?

No interest in trading Ehlers for 2 years of Fowler who many view as a 2nd pairing guy. I doubt Leafs would do that trade either if discussing Nylander for Fowler.

What are you referencing otherwise with Ehlers?

You might not want to move a high potential young player like Ehlers for 2 years of Fowler, but that is probably his value. This isn't an Austin Matthews level young player we are talking about. A good future top six winger is probably worth a solid #3 defenseman with only a couple of years left. You might prefer to keep Ehlers simply based on where your team is at, but the value is probably close.

 

[topshelf15]

I think Wash,has an alot of LHD .They could be a match

 

[Hunter368]

You might not want to move a high potential young player like Ehlers for 2 years of Fowler, but that is probably his value. This isn't an Austin Matthews level young player we are talking about. A good future top six winger is probably worth a solid #3 defenseman with only a couple of years left. You might prefer to keep Ehlers simply based on where your team is at, but the value is probably close.

At this point in the Jets stage of development trading anything of value for Fowler makes little to no sense. Jets aren't in a win now mode, they might be interested in a similar type of trade in a few years, but trading Ehlers for Fowler now would be a waste of Ehlers and poor asset management

 

[YP44]

Alex Martinez could be available. He is a very solid on both sides of the ice and signed to a good contract.

 

[Huffer]

You might not want to move a high potential young player like Ehlers for 2 years of Fowler, but that is probably his value. This isn't an Austin Matthews level young player we are talking about. A good future top six winger is probably worth a solid #3 defenseman with only a couple of years left. You might prefer to keep Ehlers simply based on where your team is at, but the value is probably close.

I'd love for the Jets to trade Enstrom for Puljujarvi if that was the case.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

I'd love for the Jets to trade Enstrom for Puljujarvi if that was the case.

Fowler is seven years younger...

 

[Huffer]

Fowler is seven years younger...

Doesn't matter. The comment was that a young, high potential player (top 6 winger) is worth a top 3 D with 2 years left on his deal. Doesn't matter than Fowler is younger than Enstrom, both are UFA after the end of their deals, and that's all the acquiring team is guaranteed. Which is the point.

 

[bumblebeeman]

I don't know how people can say Ehlers projects as a 2nd line player when as a 19 year old rookie he already put up at >0.5ppg pace, which is easily a 2nd line player amount of points. I guess there's always a chance a player could get worse or injured, but being such a young player it's a lot more likely that he'll continue to improve.

I agree that a normal second line winger won't return a second pairing defenseman (like Stafford), but Ehlers has a lot of potential.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd love for the Jets to trade Enstrom for Puljujarvi if that was the case.

Well Enstrom's value pales in comparison to Fowler's, so there's that. Pulujarvi's is quite possibly higher than Ehlers' as well given scouting reports.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Doesn't matter. The comment was that a young, high potential player (top 6 winger) is worth a top 3 D with 2 years left on his deal. Doesn't matter than Fowler is younger than Enstrom, both are UFA after the end of their deals, and that's all the acquiring team is guaranteed. Which is the point.

Well I don't buy that Enstrom is a #3 anymore and he is at the age where the wheels could fall off at any moment. Not to mention that Fowler >>>>> Enstrom. And also not to mention that Pulujarvi isn't available anyway (and his value is likely higher), and we don't want Enstrom. Multiple level fail right there Huffer.

 

[bumblebeeman]

I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to propose a good trade, just pointing out the blanket statement that potential top 6 forward < #3 D man is totally untrue.....

Obviously Enstrom isn't worth Puljuarvi, and Fowler isn't worth Ehlers....

Not saying Enstrom = Fowler, not saying Puljuarvi = Ehlers so you don't have get get your panties in a twist