Proposal: Could a McDavid Lindros type of trade help the Oilers?

[Empoleon8771]

I’m pretty sure Dubas would trade Matthews+ in a deal for McDavid, even if he requested a trade.

Johnsson - McDavid - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Nylander

Having McDavid, Marner and Tavares as hometown boys would be pretty special too!

But why though? What's even the point of making that trade? Matthews is an elite young center and your team is already elite.

People really need to look at things in the context of teams, not players. Good teams with elite 1Cs aren't going to waste their time going hard after McDavid. Regardless of what people on here try to say, there isn't a cataclysmic difference between McDavid and everyone else.

 

[780il]

McDavid would never be traded unless he demanded to be. He's the franchise now. I don't see how the fans could tolerate, after all crap the Oilers have already put them through over the last decade, moving McDavid, especially not with Chiarelli engineering the trade.

That said, imagining him in Buffalo makes me giddy --- sets up a potential Crosby + Malkin 2.0.

Mittelstadt
Nylander
Guhle
All 4 1st Buffalo has over the next 2 drafts
Scandella (cap)
Okposo (cap)

You couldn't have Crosby/Malkin v2 because if Mcdavid was ever being traded to Buffalo, the Malkin in the scenario would be coming to Edmonton in the trade.

 

[Ceremony]

My team could probably pull
It off.

Mackinnon
Jost
EJ
Varlamov
Zadorov

But I would never do that.

A slightly older, slightly less dynamic McDavid plus an assortment of crap doesn't get it done

 

[Empoleon8771]

You’re completely out to lunch and totally underestimate what getting McDavid would do for the likes of most of those franchises. Just because you don’t think your team would offer everything that’s not nailed down, doesn’t mean others wouldn’t.

Think what you’d want in a Crosby deal and add 50%. That maybe gets you in the ballpark.

No, I think I'm completely grounded here. You're the one out to lunch here to think that teams will willingly gut themselves for 1 player, especially after showing how 1 player isn't enough to make a good team. What I'd want for Crosby and add 50%? Crosby isn't being traded, his value is nothing because he's not moving. If he'd be moving for some reason, I fully realize he'd bring back a bad return, because when elite players like him get traded, the team trading them almost always does terrible in those trades.

After seeing what has happened in Edmonton, why do you think any team would gut themselves for McDavid? Because a majority of the suggestions in here have been teams gutting themselves.

 

[McShogun99]

If you recall, Lindros was one of the best players in the league, and he got traded for Steve Duchesne, Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, two draft picks, and $15 million. Colorado soon won the cup after that trade.
What would be an equivalent trade for McDavid that would be tempting for both the Oilers and the team acquiring him?

The main reason it turned out so good for Colorado is because Forsberg ended up being a better player then Lindros. Even without Forsberg the return was excellent.

 

[GOilers88]

Cap is supposed to go up 4 million or so, deal Talbot at the deadline, deal Petrovic at the deadline, let Rieder walk, buy out Sekera or leave him on permanent LTIR. That’s about 15 million or more in cap space for next year and beyond.

Accept that we’re stuck with Lucic. Ask Russell for his ten team list - he’s a good #5 just paid too much.

Offseason: Offer LA a 1st (assuming not top ten) and a prospect for Toffoli, do Brown for Kassian+4th (some Leafs fans are ok with this). Fill in the wings via free agency.

A decent GM could still turn this around in fairly short order.... just have to can Chiarelli.

I'm of the opinion that unless the entire management group is purged, and all the useless positions that were created for the OBC terminated, and Katz commits to owning a professional hockey franchise, nothing is going to change. I don't expect any GM worth his salt would bother walking into this complete shitshow. I really don't believe simply canning Chiarelli will fix anything, though I do agree he needs to go immediately and am completely baffled as to why he is still employed.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No, I think I'm completely grounded here. You're the one out to lunch here to think that teams will willingly gut themselves for 1 player, especially after showing how 1 player isn't enough to make a good team. What I'd want for Crosby and add 50%? Crosby isn't being traded, his value is nothing because he's not moving. If he'd be moving for some reason, I fully realize he'd bring back a bad return, because when elite players like him get traded, the team trading them almost always does terrible in those trades.

You aren’t grounded at all. You’re just a member of a fan base that’s been blessed with elite talent for so long that you undervalue it.

If I ran the Hurricanes I’d tell you to take my next two firsts, Svechnikov, Teravainen, Pesce, and any two prospects you liked, and I’d take any dumps you wanted to send my way with a smile. For a team like that you’re talking the continued existence of the franchise for the next 25 years if they could pull a Connor McDavid.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm of the opinion that unless the entire management group is purged, and all the useless positions that were created for the OBC terminated, and Katz commits to owning a professional hockey franchise, nothing is going to change. I don't expect any GM worth his salt would bother walking into this complete ****show. I really don't believe simply canning Chiarelli will fix anything, though I do agree he needs to go immediately and am completely baffled as to why he is still employed.

The next GM of this franchise will be Keith Gretzky, because you’re right no experienced GM will want any part of answering to Daryl Katz’s drinking buddies.

 

[780il]

Mcdavid would be saddled to Lucic then traded for a package like:

Mackinnon + Rantanen
Matthews + Marner
Eichel + Dahlin
Petterson + Hughes (in the NHL making an impact on his way to being a #1dman)

If those teams don't want to pony up there 2 best pieces together, then keep the first name in the deal and add a shit ton to that, such as:

Mackinnon + Makar + Kerfoot + Jost
Matthews + Nylander + Liljegren
Dahlin + Mittelstatd + Reinhart
Eichel + Risto + Mittelstatd
Petterson + Boeser + 1st

 

[Menzinger]

No, it never makes sense trading a player on McDavkds level.

Other hockey fans would benefit from finally being able to see him in the playoffs once again

 

[Empoleon8771]

You aren’t grounded at all. You’re just a member of a fan base that’s been blessed with elite talent for so long that you undervalue it.

If I ran the Hurricanes I’d tell you to take my next two firsts, Svechnikov, Teravainen, Pesce, and any two prospects you liked, and I’d take any dumps you wanted to send my way with a smile. For a team like that you’re talking the continued existence of the franchise for the next 25 years if they could pull a Connor McDavid.

Why? Because you say so? After all of the times that we've seen superstar talent bring back underwhelming returns, why do you think that would somehow be different in this case? We literally just saw Karlsson get traded for scraps. Yes, Karlsson was a UFA after next year, but he was still traded for scraps. Why is McDavid going to bring back a return that would gut a franchise while Karlsson brought back Chris Tierney as the best asset in the trade?

Speaking of Carolina, I do think they're a team that would pay a ton for McDavid. Pesce and Terevainen as the start is completely reasonable as a suggestion. But why are they also adding whatever prospects Edmonton would like, taking whatever cap dumps Edmonton wanted to send their way and adding the #2 pick in the draft from last year? Why would they gut themselves like that? Just saying "it's Connor McDavid" isn't a justification for that.

I would buy that a desperate team would go as high as something like Pesce, Terevainen, their 2 best prospect and multiple high draft picks for McDavid and Lucic. The problem is that only the most desperate teams would do that, not every team.

 

[LuckyBoeser]

Not with this management group. Can you really trust Chiarelli to handle a McDavid trade?

 

[PitchNHL]

Domi
Danault
Gallagher
Mete
First rd

For.


Mcdavid
Lucic

You're either joking or have never watched hockey

 

[PitchNHL]

This one is enticing. But it'd have to be Jones not Werenski Imo.

To Edmonton:
Pierre Luc Dubois
Zach Werenski
Josh Anderson
Sergei Bobrovsky
2019 1st

To Columbus:
Connor McDavid
Milan Lucic
Cam Talbot

Columbus gets a star player to shine a light on their team. With Seth Jones, Panarin, Atkinson, Bjorkstrand, Milano, Dubinsky, Foligno, Wennberg, Jenner, etc... Columbus still has a young solid team around McDavid.

Edmonton gets some cap relief. They insert Dubois into their top 6 and build around him/ Draisaitl. Anderson adds muscle and potential scoring touch. Werenski is a young solid addition to the Oilers blue line. Bobrovsky becomes their rock in goal

THIS is a good McDavid trade in terms of value.

 

[GOilers88]

The next GM of this franchise will be Keith Gretzky, because you’re right no experienced GM will want any part of answering to Daryl Katz’s drinking buddies.

Which is why I don't think any GM we will have in the future will be able to easily fix this ship anymore. With a total purge I do agree that I think the right guy could do it relatively quickly.

But we're Oiler fans. You know that's just not in our cards.

 

[Patagonia]

AVs have the cap space, players and prospects. I can’t see why they would include Mackinnon and gut the team. They can also include hometown prospects.

McDavid

For

2019 - Sens pick (likely Top 5)
Rants
Barrie
Makar
Jost
Bowers

This is basically, 5 - 1sts & Barrie in exchange for McDavid.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

McDavid

for

Stone (resigned)
Chabot
Tkachuk
1st 2020
2nd 2020

Probably enough to get it done.

 

[780il]

AVs have the cap space, players and prospects. I can’t see why they would include Mackinnon and gut the team. They can also include hometown prospects.

McDavid

For

2019 - Sens pick (likely Top 5)
Rants
Barrie
Makar
Jost
Bowers

This is basically, 5 - 1sts & Barrie in exchange for McDavid.

Start with Mackinnon, add from there.

 

[FelixPotvin29]

But why though? What's even the point of making that trade? Matthews is an elite young center and your team is already elite.

People really need to look at things in the context of teams, not players. Good teams with elite 1Cs aren't going to waste their time going hard after McDavid. Regardless of what people on here try to say, there isn't a cataclysmic difference between McDavid and everyone else.

I agree with your premise but swapping Matthews and say futures for McDavid improves the Leafs I believe. Plus it would be fantastic to have another hometown superstar in the fold.

With that being said if NHL GMs truly wanted to neutralize McDavid they would leave him in Edmonton for another 7 years as it looks like they aren’t improving anytime soon. His threat to contending teams is almost 0.

 

[Sparky93]

Mcdavid would be saddled to Lucic then traded for a package like:

Mackinnon + Rantanen
Matthews + Marner
Eichel + Dahlin
Petterson + Hughes (in the NHL making an impact on his way to being a #1dman)

If those teams don't want to pony up there 2 best pieces together, then keep the first name in the deal and add a **** ton to that, such as:

Mackinnon + Makar + Kerfoot + Jost
Matthews + Nylander + Liljegren
Dahlin + Mittelstatd + Reinhart
Eichel + Risto + Mittelstatd
Petterson + Boeser + 1st

McDavid doesn’t return almost any of those packages. I’m not sure Colorado would trade Mackinnon in a 1 for 1 deal. He literally had half the cap hit and has produced 10 less points over the last season and a half.

You do not get a comparable player +++ in these sort of deals, that’s why they never happen.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Something around Seguin + Heiskenin?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Why? Because you say so? After all of the times that we've seen superstar talent bring back underwhelming returns, why do you think that would somehow be different in this case? We literally just saw Karlsson get traded for scraps. Yes, Karlsson was a UFA after next year, but he was still traded for scraps. Why is McDavid going to bring back a return that would gut a franchise while Karlsson brought back Chris Tierney as the best asset in the trade?

Because McDavid is a franchise. The Flyers "gutted" their team to get Lindros because they decided their team was going to be Lindros. As a Penguins fan, you'd know this better than anyone. Was there anyone on the 2003-04 Penguins you would have held onto if it meant not getting Crosby? Seriously? He saved your team in every imaginable way, increased its national profile, restored the city's infatuation, and won you 3 Cups. Of course other players helped, but that doesn't happen without having the best player in the world, period.

In the years just before Crosby came along, the Penguins were bankrupt: they had over $100 million in debt, which was more than their team value. By 2007, they were worth about $165 million with that debt down to about $65 million. Today they are worth $650 million.

The Penguins got lucky and drafted Crosby, but McDavid is one of the few players who is THAT good and can have that impact on a franchise. You'd trade anything in the world to have that outcome.

 

[nickdawg95]

3 2019 first stl buffs and san jose
Mitts
Nylander
Okposo

 

[beaverbrook]

3-way

Ariz-Tor-Edm

 

[GOilers88]

Because McDavid is a franchise. The Flyers "gutted" their team to get Lindros because they decided their team was going to be Lindros. As a Penguins fan, you'd know this better than anyone. Was there anyone on the 2003-04 Penguins you would have held onto if it meant not getting Crosby? Seriously? He saved your team in every imaginable way, increased its national profile, restored the city's infatuation, and won you 3 Cups. Of course other players helped, but that doesn't happen without having the best player in the world, period.

In the years just before Crosby came along, the Penguins were bankrupt: they had over $100 million in debt, which was more than their team value. By 2007, they were worth about $165 million with that debt down to about $65 million. Today they are worth $650 million.

The Penguins got lucky and drafted Crosby, but McDavid is one of the few players who is THAT good and can have that impact on a franchise. You'd trade anything in the world to have that outcome.

And he's only 21.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Well first, they need the right GM to trade him. If the Oilers do trade McDavid, they'll also maybe trade Draisaitl, Nuge looks bound to retire an Oiler.

But I think by between 2020-2022 he gets traded if the Oilers continue to regress. I think the Oilers might be a consistent playoff team again by the 2030's because that team WILL take a long time to fix up and get straightened out. I mean they need a guy to come in and straighten it all out, as it stands right now the Oilers management is just super dysfunctional.

A Lindros-like trade COULD help the Oilers. But the problem is that I think this team is stuck in a black hole for a long time. This is just a situation of management, not really the players, and considering they've always had bad management, this will take a long time to fix. The sad part is this could've ALL been fixed as early as 1995, when Shayne Corson was captain, aka the worst captain in NHL history.

The teams I see McDavid being traded to are likely Tampa, Toronto (if they have the respectable amount of touchable assets), Winnipeg, Vegas, New York Rangers or Chicago. The proposals will have to wait until McDavid does ask for a trade.

I don't think anybody should blame him if he wants a trade. We just blame Oiler management. The sad part too is there's almost no way Katz gives up the team, and he's not really the best owner. The only thing Katz is good for is the money.