Proposal: Could a McDavid Lindros type of trade help the Oilers?
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McDavid as good as he is isn’t worth gutting your team of all the young talent. Do that and you end up in the same boat as Edm is right now. I don’t get how the Oilers have got to this point. Trading McDavid or Draisaitl is not going to help. RNH for a top line winger isn’t going to be enough to make them a contender. No cap space to take on an older vet.I see now immediate fix, time to replace the front office and starting over through the draft while keeping Mcdavid and Draisaitl to build around them. A couple years ago I thought they were building into at least a playoff regular. From the time of the Hall trade til now everything that has been done has made them worse. How much damage does an owner need to see before making the management change?
As a courtesy to OP, let's entertain the ?, although I think 99% of all scenarios possible here = no.
McDavid is the best player, but he is one guy on a team of 20+ in a team game. Obviously, IF enough were put on the table, theoretically it could achieve the OP's aim.
However, to make sense, so much would be needed as to gut the acquiring team.
That could be a worthwhile short term strategy, since McD has what, another 9 ish yrs in his prime. This is ignoring the heavy risk that should anything happen injury wise, acquiring team is beyond effed.
I don't agree that it takes Marner x 2 + to get the job done.
It requires one significant enough asset, and then it requires a lot coming as well. So instead of 3 scrubs thrown in with Marnner x 2, Go with 1 top enough guy, then 5 really solid assets, + consideration for adding Lucic, which = addition by subtraction. If there are compliance or whatever they called those buyouts last time and it is only a matter of writing Lucic a huge check, that is something Dolan can do; however, that is not a throw in, that is a significant freakin consideration, and you acknowledge that in the equation.
A team like the Rangers who have $ can $-wise afford the deal over the long haul. However, they would want to pair McD with somebody, and the whole point would not be to trade Kreider and multiple +s for McD [same w/Colorado and MacKinnon]. So Kreider would be off the table, Kravtsov as well.
Best offer would look something like
Zib
K'Andre Miller
Chytil
Buchnevich
Andersson
Shesty
Pionk
D'Angelo
for
McDavid
Poolparty
that is ballpark cap compliant
best I can do on Lucic is him at half for Brendan Smith
something like that
Obviously, EDM would sell off some of its less desirable assets
to address roster size
not worth it for NY
but if would be something to watch Kreider - McD and another elite skating F just blow by everybody
McDavid is the best player, but he is one guy on a team of 20+ in a team game. Obviously, IF enough were put on the table, theoretically it could achieve the OP's aim.
However, to make sense, so much would be needed as to gut the acquiring team.
That could be a worthwhile short term strategy, since McD has what, another 9 ish yrs in his prime. This is ignoring the heavy risk that should anything happen injury wise, acquiring team is beyond effed.
I don't agree that it takes Marner x 2 + to get the job done.
It requires one significant enough asset, and then it requires a lot coming as well. So instead of 3 scrubs thrown in with Marnner x 2, Go with 1 top enough guy, then 5 really solid assets, + consideration for adding Lucic, which = addition by subtraction. If there are compliance or whatever they called those buyouts last time and it is only a matter of writing Lucic a huge check, that is something Dolan can do; however, that is not a throw in, that is a significant freakin consideration, and you acknowledge that in the equation.
A team like the Rangers who have $ can $-wise afford the deal over the long haul. However, they would want to pair McD with somebody, and the whole point would not be to trade Kreider and multiple +s for McD [same w/Colorado and MacKinnon]. So Kreider would be off the table, Kravtsov as well.
Best offer would look something like
Zib
K'Andre Miller
Chytil
Buchnevich
Andersson
Shesty
Pionk
D'Angelo
for
McDavid
Poolparty
that is ballpark cap compliant
best I can do on Lucic is him at half for Brendan Smith
something like that
Obviously, EDM would sell off some of its less desirable assets
to address roster size
not worth it for NY
but if would be something to watch Kreider - McD and another elite skating F just blow by everybody
McDavidCrushedLarkin
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I haven't read any of this...Flames fan here who sees a ton of McDavid. Yes, Oilers management is an abomination to this sport. However, even PC could not possibly be stupid enough to ever contemplate trading McDavid (unless he wants out).
Just look at his percentage of team offensive output, compare that to the next closest guy in the league. You might be shocked. Outside of the Crosby argument (better 200ft player), McDavid is far and away the best player in the world (if not now, he will be). I would even argue, he's the greatest hockey player of all time. If you don't like comparing generations, I get that, but players evolve over time and only continue to get better. This guy is the peak of hockey evolution.
What McDavid is able to do with a bunch of Pylons around him is simply astounding. If he was on almost any other team in the league, you could plan the cup parade. He's that good.
In my life, I have never seen a player who can do the things this guy can at the speed he does them. It's almost scary in a way
Just look at his percentage of team offensive output, compare that to the next closest guy in the league. You might be shocked. Outside of the Crosby argument (better 200ft player), McDavid is far and away the best player in the world (if not now, he will be). I would even argue, he's the greatest hockey player of all time. If you don't like comparing generations, I get that, but players evolve over time and only continue to get better. This guy is the peak of hockey evolution.
What McDavid is able to do with a bunch of Pylons around him is simply astounding. If he was on almost any other team in the league, you could plan the cup parade. He's that good.
In my life, I have never seen a player who can do the things this guy can at the speed he does them. It's almost scary in a way
FelixPotvin29
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McDavid demands a trade...
To Toronto
C - Connor McDavid
To Edmonton
C - Auston Matthews
W/C - William Nylander
2019 1st Round Pick
To Toronto
C - Connor McDavid
To Edmonton
C - Auston Matthews
W/C - William Nylander
2019 1st Round Pick
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StateOfHockey101
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Der Jaeger
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Just for fun, because this trade will never happen, but what if Buffalo matched the Lindros trade for McDavid?
Ristolainen
Mittelstadt
Carter Hutton
Scandella
Reinhart
Remi Elie (Sabres don't really have a comparable for Simon)
2019 1st
2020 1st
Hatter of the Beach
I’m the real hero
Mike Dukarm
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Could help a lot... but im hoping for Oilers Fans that Chicarelli wont do a trade anymore for them...
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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No.
McDavid can't lead a team to the playoffs on his own. There's a salary cap, so you can't just sign whomever and replace the players you dealt for him.
McDavid, if ever traded won't return anywhere near his value. Well, there will be a gap.
Tampa could pay the price, but why mess with a team that just went a month without losing a game ?
McDavid can't lead a team to the playoffs on his own. There's a salary cap, so you can't just sign whomever and replace the players you dealt for him.
McDavid, if ever traded won't return anywhere near his value. Well, there will be a gap.
Tampa could pay the price, but why mess with a team that just went a month without losing a game ?
FelixPotvin29
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McDavid will be a 22 year old, 3 time, 100+ point producer at the end of this season....22 years old. Oilers should literally fire all upper management and their scouts. Then purge the team, scorched earth style, to remove any evidence of the old regime. Use the picks and prospects to draft useful players and sign a bunch of character veterans. Do not draft kids and put them on the 1st line, make them earn it and quit making unproven 20 year olds, with character flaws multi-millionaires before their time.
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Kelly
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Wouldn't touch this as a Leafs fan.Matthews + Marner for McDavid
Honestly not really interested in gutting the 2nd place team for McDavid. He's awesome, but if it's taking Matthews +++++ I'm good.
Finally build a good team, I have no interest in totally f***ing it up and shuffling the deck chairs.
Empoleon8771
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There is no chance in hell that McDavid would ever bring back the kind of returns that people in here suggest. Like dear lord, some of the suggestions in here are absurd. If McDavid gets traded, I'm going to guess he'll bring back what a lot of people on HF predicted Malkin would bring back in a trade: a young top-6 forward and top-4 defenseman with a A prospect and a 1st. The idea that teams would trade guys like Hedman or Matthews or Eichel for McDavid is flat out laughable, this isn't NHL 19.
I'd expect a return like Johansen, Ellis, Tolvanen and a 1st for McDavid. Any additions on top would be in the form of prospects and picks. That's a reasonable suggestion for what he'd bring back. The Predators have the ability to trade a top end RD like Ellis because of their D depth and McDavid would just take Johansen's spot. Is that a crappy return for McDavid? Of course, but there isn't going to be a scenario where he doesn't bring back a crappy return.
I'd expect a return like Johansen, Ellis, Tolvanen and a 1st for McDavid. Any additions on top would be in the form of prospects and picks. That's a reasonable suggestion for what he'd bring back. The Predators have the ability to trade a top end RD like Ellis because of their D depth and McDavid would just take Johansen's spot. Is that a crappy return for McDavid? Of course, but there isn't going to be a scenario where he doesn't bring back a crappy return.
ChaoticOrange
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The issue in Edmonton is the supporting cast is absolute junk. McDavid/Drai/RNH aren’t the problem, it’s the rest of the forwards.
An average general manager should be able to correct this issue fairly easily. Unfortunately we have the worst front office in professional sports.
If for no other reason than McDavid is a cash cow and ownership would never let him do it, McDavid is completely untouchable.
An average general manager should be able to correct this issue fairly easily. Unfortunately we have the worst front office in professional sports.
If for no other reason than McDavid is a cash cow and ownership would never let him do it, McDavid is completely untouchable.
I don't think it's such an easy feat anymore with the way the money is tied up. Though I would hope you are correct.
ChaoticOrange
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That is an awful offer for McDavid. Johansen is barely an upgrade on RNH, let alone Draisaitl. Ellis is very good but Tolvanen is underwhelming as is a low first. You’re seriously underestimating the bidding war that would occur if McDavid was ever truly available.
Empoleon8771
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And that's all that McDavid is going to bring back. The expectations in here are downright laughable, teams aren't going to gut themselves for 1 player, especially not contending teams.
I think you're seriously overestimating the bidding war that would occur if McDavid became available. If you're a team with an elite 1C already, you won't go hard after McDavid. If you're a contending team, you won't gut yourself to get McDavid. The teams that will go the hardest after McDavid are teams without great 1Cs or teams trying to become contenders.
If McDavid is going to be traded, there will be like 8-10 teams that are heavily in on him. If I had to make a list, I'd say Columbus, Nashville, Vegas, Carolina, Minnesota, Montreal, Arizona and St. Louis would be the teams most heavily in on McDavid.
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FelixPotvin29
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I’m pretty sure Dubas would trade Matthews+ in a deal for McDavid, even if he requested a trade.
Johnsson - McDavid - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Nylander
Having McDavid, Marner and Tavares as hometown boys would be pretty special too!
ChaoticOrange
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Cap is supposed to go up 4 million or so, deal Talbot at the deadline, deal Petrovic at the deadline, let Rieder walk, buy out Sekera or leave him on permanent LTIR. That’s about 15 million or more in cap space for next year and beyond.
Accept that we’re stuck with Lucic. Ask Russell for his ten team list - he’s a good #5 just paid too much.
Offseason: Offer LA a 1st (assuming not top ten) and a prospect for Toffoli, do Brown for Kassian+4th (some Leafs fans are ok with this). Fill in the wings via free agency.
A decent GM could still turn this around in fairly short order.... just have to can Chiarelli.
ChaoticOrange
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You’re completely out to lunch and totally underestimate what getting McDavid would do for the likes of most of those franchises. Just because you don’t think your team would offer everything that’s not nailed down, doesn’t mean others wouldn’t.
Think what you’d want in a Crosby deal and add 50%. That maybe gets you in the ballpark.
