OT: Coronavirus VII: No Unrelated Politics Talk

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Fatass

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Excellent reply. I don't think its fair either to equate leaders of countries with somebody that selfishly wants to have normal activity during a pandemic. What happened last night is supposed to occur in a community. Regardless of who is saying what. If it was me saying something like that I would expect to take lumps for it and come back and apologize. Anybody stating selfish interest during a pandemic and stating they are going to refuse to comply is basically looking for public shaming.

The actions of any, effect the many. That's the rule during a pandemic. Fortunately most of us know it. But it only takes the few to impact the many.

As somebody wise stated this is not the time to oppose the Govt in actions. This is the time to get through this doing what we all have to do. Its one thing to question govt, its another to contravene it during the greatest crisis of our lives.
All true, but (and I harp on this point) the leaders of government must follow the protocols they created. They are more than decision makers; they are (by definition) leaders. Their influence is wide reaching, because it affects others’ behaviour. We don’t have that same level of influence. There is a huge difference in influence on society between us and them.
 

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No, it isn't. They are making decisions for 30+ million people, you're definitely not.

Which is why they should be religiously adhering to their own guidelines when it comes to getting together with family that they say we cant get together with over Easter. I am not about to break my social distancing but the actions by these 3 leaders is just par for the course for what passes as political leadership these days. Do what I say, not what I do.
 

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First people pay quite a lot out of pocket already to have somebody in a nursing home. Starting costs of around 2K just for a room and terrible food. Often cases that gets you a shared room only. Shared washroom only. Seems to be quite a bit of markup on that already from what somebody would pay for a one bedroom shared bathroom rental. Which a lot of people pay 500Bucks for. (not saying one bedroom self contained apartment which is different)

Not extensive medical costs occur in these facilities. They're crammed with residents, small spaces, always seems overcrowded, and the pay doesn't trickle down. More the case theres too many middle men operatives soaking up the coin. Facilities under AHS umbrella, maybe even in hospital wing but always some kind of profit subsidiary like Revera involved. Which seemingly doesn't profit patients all that well.

The problem to me starts with such firms as Revera even being involved.

Families sue nursing home giant for neglected care they claim loved ones suffered
I think there are different level of care. There are retirement homes, where the residents are mostlily independent. The facilities that care for our most vulnerable are the ones that need change first. Those residents need total care, and (we used to think their level of care needed hospitalization) cannot survive without it. Those residents (who should really be called patients) need facilities where the workers are only working in that one facility. And visitors are only visiting that one facility. It will cost a lot of money to get to that level of care though. Workers do get sick days, and holidays. Who covers those shifts, if not a casual? It’s those casuals who spread Covid 19 (unknowingly) to 24 care homes out here. I don’t know how to fix that issue. But obviously we need to do something better.
 

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Ahh to be naive, must be very comfortable. You should watch a couple episodes of nurse Jackie.
I researched the issue. Its typical bullshit coming out of your man Trumps mouth. You should be smarter than to rely on what a sociopath said as fact.
 
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Canadian politicians not the only ones ignoring their own rules. At least in Scotland they have the integrity to take responsibility. As past behaviour has shown, integrity and personal responsibility are foreign concepts to Trudeau.

Scotland's chief medical officer quits over second home row
Trudeau? Perhaps.
You should try living in Alberta. The concept of Ministerial responsibility has gone the way of the dodo bird for the past 30 years.
 

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Damn. Wish some posters would ease off on doulos. Looks to me like that person has been following the appropriate behaviour and has decided to give themselves a little more leeway in how they're currently handling the situation. Sounds like he's (assumption) already been handling the situation without lthe riffraff on TV having to tell him wehat to do. And I'm willing to bet that just because he's affording himself a little more personal freedom, he's still going to act more appropriately than many other dumb f***s out there. Just my 2 bits on piling on a situation nobody knows dick all about aside from the person in that specific situation. Stop casting stones if you aren't in the same situation. Jeebuz.
 

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Damn. Wish some posters would ease off on doulos. Looks to me like that person has been following the appropriate behaviour and has decided to give themselves a little more leeway in how they're currently handling the situation. Sounds like he's (assumption) already been handling the situation without lthe riffraff on TV having to tell him wehat to do. And I'm willing to bet that just because he's affording himself a little more personal freedom, he's still going to act more appropriately than many other dumb f***s out there. Just my 2 bits on piling on a situation nobody knows dick all about aside from the person in that specific situation. Stop casting stones if you aren't in the same situation. Jeebuz.

He said he was going to enjoy the outdoors. I fail to see the harm in going camping or hiking. In fact it would be easy to adhere to social distancing doing all that. He didn’t say he was going to throw an 80 person bender.

edit - in fact go to the local grocery store. I’ve been literally pushed, bumped, people leaning in front of you, breathed on, glared at, etc for trying to follow simple social distancing measures. It’s my guess that half the people out there don’t GAF about distancing whatsoever.
 

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If you want those people to be paid more, increase the prices for people to stay in nursing homes and have those increases go towards the staff working in the facility.

Here on Maui you are looking at $10-$12K a month for staying in a nursing home. IMO people that have worked their entire lives shouldn't have to pay a dime beyond their Social Security/Social Insurance for end of life care. Those that are in the end stages get swept under the rug and sadly for some of them even their families wash their hands of them.

The all the experts are are dumb schtick is getting old. By all means please cite certain experts and argue against their points. The video @Bryanbryoil posted earlier from a "contrarian" expert is a great example of how one can acknowledge that early estimates may be off and provide constructive solutions about how we can make better decisions going forward.

"Contrarian" is right, the antibody test is the key to this study. It is entirely possible that the actual mortality rate is lower and maybe even much lower than the initial 3% from the WHO but there is no denying what this virus is capable of and that it is quite deadly at least for a number of people from the age of 40 and up and those with existing health issues (how many people over 40 are perfectly healthy, let alone over 60?). The actual mortality rate will help tons in terms of what actions will be needed going forward by society as well as for determining just how much PPE, Ventilators, etc. will be needed for this specific event. IMO nothing should be reopened until at bare minimum our healthcare workers have enough PPE, sanitizer is back on the shelves and masks are available for people in other essential businesses.
 
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Damn. Wish some posters would ease off on doulos. Looks to me like that person has been following the appropriate behaviour and has decided to give themselves a little more leeway in how they're currently handling the situation. Sounds like he's (assumption) already been handling the situation without lthe riffraff on TV having to tell him wehat to do. And I'm willing to bet that just because he's affording himself a little more personal freedom, he's still going to act more appropriately than many other dumb f***s out there. Just my 2 bits on piling on a situation nobody knows dick all about aside from the person in that specific situation. Stop casting stones if you aren't in the same situation. Jeebuz.

He would have communicated that better if he didn't call people "suckers" multiple times for following the proper protocols.

Generally people treat you better if you don't insult everyone.
 

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Damn. Wish some posters would ease off on doulos. Looks to me like that person has been following the appropriate behaviour and has decided to give themselves a little more leeway in how they're currently handling the situation. Sounds like he's (assumption) already been handling the situation without lthe riffraff on TV having to tell him wehat to do. And I'm willing to bet that just because he's affording himself a little more personal freedom, he's still going to act more appropriately than many other dumb f***s out there. Just my 2 bits on piling on a situation nobody knows dick all about aside from the person in that specific situation. Stop casting stones if you aren't in the same situation. Jeebuz.
For their own reasons People just seem pissed off at little things more so now than before. Some random chat site poster took it on the nose, because we can actually say things he will hear (read). But it’s the political leaders (Trudeau, Scheer, May) who we should be angry with. We just have no means to actually get them to hear us, except for when we vote. And then (in our system) unless we happen to live in that leader’s Riding, we can’t even do that. Trudeau should let his kids shave his head as a public apology for his transgression. Scheer should have to spray on tan. May should use plastic utensils. Then I’d be happy
 
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He would have communicated that better if he didn't call people "suckers" multiple times for following the proper protocols.

Generally people treat you better if you don't insult everyone.

You're right. It's almost as if I reacted poorly after being called a horrible person. Guilty as charged.
 
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Anyhow. It's nice out and I think I can find a trail with few people on it. Time for a run. If I'm lucky I'll stick to my desire to lay off social media and forums for a while and not be back for some time.
 

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Anyhow. It's nice out and I think I can find a trail with few people on it. Time for a run. If I'm lucky I'll stick to my desire to lay off social media and forums for a while and not be back for some time.
Being outside in isolation remains a healthy pursuit. Probably better than hanging around here where we're all sniping at each other like an old married couple trapped in the house for too long.

Edit: If you are going to run in public, it's worth reading this article in advance.
 

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Damn. Wish some posters would ease off on doulos. Looks to me like that person has been following the appropriate behaviour and has decided to give themselves a little more leeway in how they're currently handling the situation. Sounds like he's (assumption) already been handling the situation without lthe riffraff on TV having to tell him wehat to do. And I'm willing to bet that just because he's affording himself a little more personal freedom, he's still going to act more appropriately than many other dumb f***s out there. Just my 2 bits on piling on a situation nobody knows dick all about aside from the person in that specific situation. Stop casting stones if you aren't in the same situation. Jeebuz.
The concern isn't about how this person is reacting personally. Suggesting that the topic was being overblown and was of no concern was the glaring issue. The posts highlighted in that thread are a bad look for the guy.

That being said, he was wrong. We can move on.
 
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