OT: Coronavirus VII: No Unrelated Politics Talk

[rboomercat90]

I actually encourage anybody to take a look at the thread starting on around page 58. I'll link it again.

What I posted there was prescient for its time, starting in January, if anything. Certainly nothing I was stating in that thread was inappropriate, or errant.


OT: - The OT Thread Part 5: New HF Talk

The corona virus talk in that thread starts around page 70.

 

[Fatass]

For me it's like people who wanna pollute and say : Look at China

If your neighbor lies, cheats, and steals it doesn't make it ok for you to do it.
If your Mayor or Boss does any of these things it makes him/her a scumbag, but does not mean you should feel emboldened do it.

Being selfish, childish, &/or deflecting blame is not admirable nor defensible. Good on everyone who has called out that bad behaviour (of individuals and leaders alike).

I totally agree. But would this poster in question have made his comments if not seeing our very public government officials not following their own directives? We don’t influence anyone really. But these three high profile leaders do. Focussing on a poster on an internet chat site (the way we did) is totally out of proportion to how we should be focussing on three people who actually influence others. Trudeau, Scheer, and May should be held to account, and bloody-well publicly apologize for their actions. They are the ones who’s actions are actually influencing others to make poor choices. What those three did is seriously bad. The poster on here who wrote what he was doing, didn’t influence anyone.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Canadians under 54 drinking more at home due to COVID-19 pandemic: Nanos poll

Good thing I just turned 55...

in other news, water is wet

 

[Nostradumbass]

That’s the private ones. They are too expensive for most people, but (yes) they offer excellent care. Most care homes are considered an extension of our healthcare system, so they are mostly publicly funded. I think residents (these aren’t hospitals, so the people living there aren’t called patients) pay 80% of what ever their income is to the government, and the rest is topped up by the tax payers. The system (as we are clearly seeing now) needs to be better funded. Each facility needs to be as independent (when it comes to employees and visitors) as possible. The less traffic from one facility to another; the less likely any infection can spread. Even the regular flu can be deadly to many of the residents in these care homes. These are mostly very fragile people.

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be seeing a whole lot of support for more tax dollars going there.

 

[doulos]

I've probably locked down harder than the average individual up to this point, that's what's hilarious. My car had been driven once since the second week of March. I refused to visit family members and took to running inside on a treadmill in order to not even need to pass by other people on the paths in this community (which can be quite busy during the day).

Then across the board our leadership in this country gives us the middle finger and demonstrates that the rules really are not that important to follow. So I'm just doing as they do, rather than as they say. My life and freedom is just as important as theirs.

 

[Nostradumbass]

I've probably locked down harder than the average individual up to this point, that's what's hilarious. My car had been driven once since the second week of March. I refused to visit family members and took to running inside on a treadmill in order to not even need to pass by other people on the paths in this community (which can be quite busy during the day).

Then across the board our leadership in this country gives us the middle finger and demonstrates that the rules really are not that important to follow. So I'm just doing as they do, rather than as they say. My life and freedom is just as important as theirs.

No, it isn't. They are making decisions for 30+ million people, you're definitely not.

 

[doulos]

No, it isn't. They are making decisions for 30+ million people, you're definitely not.

Well on that I completely and fundamentally disagree with you. I guess there lays the difference.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Or, a citizen who is (right now) very angry with our leaders’ not following protocols?

The same poster, as I demonstrated, was wrong about this virus the entire time, and was backing the moves of the Govt in January and February and denouncing the criticism. just saying.

The same poster said they didn't give a toss about the virus because it wouldn't impact them directly. you're new to the board, not everybody is.

 

[doulos]

Edited my post as responding to Replacement is unproductive.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Well you guys can be mad at me all you want. I'll be taking proper precautions but also enjoying my summer. Call me all the names you want while you walk around in your back yards and basements and I decide to hit up the great outdoors. I'll feel real bad about the name calling.

It turns out all your politicians are likely doing the same thing as well. So feel free to spew your vitriol at them as well.

Interesting times indeed.

New Zealand prime minister takes 20% pay cut amid coronavirus pandemic

 

[doulos]

I find it b


Interesting times indeed.

New Zealand prime minister takes 20% pay cut amid coronavirus pandemic

Quality move!

 

[Drivesaitl]

For me it's like people who wanna pollute and say : Look at China

If your neighbor lies, cheats, and steals it doesn't make it ok for you to do it.
If your Mayor or Boss does any of these things it makes him/her a scumbag, but does not mean you should feel emboldened do it.

Being selfish, childish, &/or deflecting blame is not admirable nor defensible. Good on everyone who has called out that bad behaviour (of individuals and leaders alike).

Excellent reply. I don't think its fair either to equate leaders of countries with somebody that selfishly wants to have normal activity during a pandemic. What happened last night is supposed to occur in a community. Regardless of who is saying what. If it was me saying something like that I would expect to take lumps for it and come back and apologize. Anybody stating selfish interest during a pandemic and stating they are going to refuse to comply is basically looking for public shaming.

The actions of any, effect the many. That's the rule during a pandemic. Fortunately most of us know it. But it only takes the few to impact the many.

As somebody wise stated this is not the time to oppose the Govt in actions. This is the time to get through this doing what we all have to do. Its one thing to question govt, its another to contravene it during the greatest crisis of our lives.

 

[Sanchez]

Canadians under 54 drinking more at home due to COVID-19 pandemic: Nanos poll

Good thing I just turned 55...

I'm finding I'm drinking less because of no hockey and sports in general.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

The same poster, as I demonstrated, was wrong about this virus the entire time, and was backing the moves of the Govt in January and February and denouncing the criticism. just saying.

The same poster said they didn't give a toss about the virus because it wouldn't impact them directly. you're new to the board, not everybody is.

Really? You call him out for listening to what the experts said and now when he questions them because, you know, fool me once...you say because he was wrong then he is always wrong?

I listened to the experts at first as well until they proved to us that they knew less than what some random internet posters did. I quit believing then and did my own digging.

Now you are on board because they are doing what you want them to do. It's one thing to call out a poster for being disingenuous, another for being wrong. Do I need to write a novel concerning your past posts or mine?

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's all good, we'll be back in the Playoffs in 2 years man!

I feel like I'm in an alternate universe seeing this stuff. Whoops, that's intended I guess. Have to brush up on Illuminati...whats happening next?

ps I'd be ok with a reset to say around 1993. Do it over again. Better for Canadian NHL teams anyhoo. Except we get dibs on McD and Draisaitl.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Really? You call him out for listening to what the experts said and now when he questions them because, you know, fool me once...you say because he was wrong then he is always wrong?

I listened to the experts at first as well until they proved to us that they knew less than what some random internet posters did. I quit believing then and did my own digging.

Now you are on board because they are doing what you want them to do. It's one thing to call out a poster for being disingenuous, another for being wrong. Do I need to write a novel concerning your past posts or mine?

Hey, the poster in question was attempting to shut down my posting with strawman arguments repeatedly in the thread I cited. That's what I object to, and you do too when its applied.

On board? That's simplistic. I knew what was required, isolation, distancing, and I knew before govt here was telling us to do it. This being the responsible thing to keep my families, others families, society, safe is just being a benevolent member of society.

I know you see it differently, and that's OK too. But your actions, and all of our actions should still be supporting others safety.

what a whacked hfboard. The spellchecker changed "This being" to "Dis Bong"

Are lizard people IT's in charge here...

 

[AM]

That’s not true

Ahh to be naive, must be very comfortable. You should watch a couple episodes of nurse Jackie.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

in other news, water is wet

LOL yup!

 

[Fatass]

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be seeing a whole lot of support for more tax dollars going there.

How do we protect these people then? Although I do see your point. The current Covid 19 economic measures are likely going to greatly effect future funding for lots of things. Kind of a really sad irony.

 

[Fatass]

No, it isn't. They are making decisions for 30+ million people, you're definitely not.

Which is exactly why these government officials carry a higher standard of behaviour than us posters; they influence millions, and we don’t.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Really? You call him out for listening to what the experts said and now when he questions them because, you know, fool me once...you say because he was wrong then he is always wrong?

I listened to the experts at first as well until they proved to us that they knew less than what some random internet posters did. I quit believing then and did my own digging.

Now you are on board because they are doing what you want them to do. It's one thing to call out a poster for being disingenuous, another for being wrong. Do I need to write a novel concerning your past posts or mine?

The all the experts are are dumb schtick is getting old. By all means please cite certain experts and argue against their points. The video @Bryanbryoil posted earlier from a "contrarian" expert is a great example of how one can acknowledge that early estimates may be off and provide constructive solutions about how we can make better decisions going forward.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

.....Trudeau, Scheer, and May should be held to account, and bloody-well publicly apologize for their actions. They are the ones who’s actions are actually influencing others to make poor choices. What those three did is seriously bad. The poster on here who wrote what he was doing, didn’t influence anyone.

There is a greater chance Bruce Willis unlocks a vaccination and Will Smith injects us all live on the Today Show than any of those 3 complete ass clowns ever apologizing. Instead they will grandstand and find 35 different ways to justify their actions.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I'm finding I'm drinking less because of no hockey and sports in general.

Not me, not even close lol. Every night is Saturday!!!

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

what a whacked hfboard. The spellchecker changed "This being" to "Dis Bong"

Are lizard people IT's in charge here...

Spellcheckers use words you have posted before so.....

 

[Drivesaitl]

If you want those people to be paid more, increase the prices for people to stay in nursing homes and have those increases go towards the staff working in the facility.

First people pay quite a lot out of pocket already to have somebody in a nursing home. Starting costs of around 2K just for a room and terrible food. Often cases that gets you a shared room only. Shared washroom only. Seems to be quite a bit of markup on that already from what somebody would pay for a one bedroom shared bathroom rental. Which a lot of people pay 500Bucks for. (not saying one bedroom self contained apartment which is different)

Not extensive medical costs occur in these facilities. They're crammed with residents, small spaces, always seems overcrowded, and the pay doesn't trickle down. More the case theres too many middle men operatives soaking up the coin. Facilities under AHS umbrella, maybe even in hospital wing but always some kind of profit subsidiary like Revera involved. Which seemingly doesn't profit patients all that well.

The problem to me starts with such firms as Revera even being involved.

Families sue nursing home giant for neglected care they claim loved ones suffered

The problems and controversy regarding Revera, a globalnational, have been constant. Lawsuits, recriminations, investigations across scveral jurisdictions. Revera predictably running McKenzie Towne in Calgary where 23 Albertans have died since the Pandemic.