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He supports them. He shows them respect. On the battlefield, he’s given them the equipment and means to get the job done. He’s loosened the rules of engagement. He blew Isis out of the water. He at least acts patriotic and proud as opposed to some other folks.

It’s the same reasons cops/firemen mostly support him.

You can agree or disagree but that’s pretty much the outlook IMO.
You mean like how he treated John McCain? (His tweet yesterday about prisoners of war was particularly galling to many in light of his past statements.) Or perhaps his comments about gold star families? Or maybe the most recent example of how Captain Crozier was dismissed? And I’m sure anyone who served in the Middle East is just thrilled with his treatment of the Kurds. As for our great “victories”, the fact that he SAYS we’ve won doesn’t make it true. Reports from nearly every reputable news source indicate that ISIS was on the ropes, in particular due to the help of the aforementioned Kurds, and when we pulled out we allowed them to rebound. Meanwhile, our position in Afghanistan is now worse than it’s been in more than a decade; the Taliban controls great portions of the country.

To the extent he enjoys support from the military, it is indeed because, yes, he’s given them the budgets they’ve wanted, and yes, trust/belief in leadership is a core element of the military mindset. But the larger reasons, IMO, are that the preponderance off service members, especially among the ranks of officers, are traditionally Republican, and we see how he has managed to capture the party (in large part, I would argue, due to the unceasing positive coverage from their primary news outlets, but that’s a separate conversation entirely) — and perhaps most importantly, because so many originate from the absolute bedrock of his base: white, male, rural, non-college-educated.

Though, we should note this support has been historical to this point. I’ll be very curious to see how sentiment progresses as the pandemic continues, especially if we have more episodes like the outbreak aboard the Throdore Roosevelt. The recording of sailors listening to Modly address the crew immediately after Crozier’s firing, where one bursts out “WHAT THE f***?” was stunning.
 
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I think you're wrong on your assertion that top military brass love Trump.

I guess I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean to imply that. I see a clear, but not across the board, difference between officers and enlisted when it comes to opinions about Trump. The enlisted guys really tend to love him. The officers are more of a mixed bag. Mattis in particular was pretty open on his critique and dislike of the man.
 
For those who live in hurricane zones. Does anyone think they have a plan for evacuations if this drags on through hurricane season?
 
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Very little, or less than the President? Two very different things. Do you legitimately think that it’s reasonable for a Governor to know as much about the state of geopolitics, intelligence, and national security concerns as the President?
They knew enough to be able to act if they should have choose to do so.
Also, during the timeframe in question, this was not an “in NY” problem. It was an “in foreign countries but very likely inbound to America” problem. Right? What am I missing?
This is where I say that judging the federal government is in waves. Good initial response, very poor response, and a as good as possible response. That is the wave.
 
You make it seem like there is no middle ground between inciting panic in the public and calling it a democratic hoax that it could be bad and wasting plenty of time not acting (again, other than the china travel ban.)

"Hey America, right now everything is in control, we only have x amount of cases. Here is what we are doing to make sure that it stays in control...."
The second that gets announced, the economy starts to tank and people start to panic.
 
The second that gets announced, the economy starts to tank and people start to panic.

And you base that on what? Quickly just checked the Dow numbers around when Obama declared the H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26th of 2009:
DateOpenHighLowClose*Adj Close**Volume
May 08, 20098,410.738,587.558,410.738,574.658,574.65428,420,000
May 07, 20098,512.288,577.198,358.008,409.858,409.85476,640,000
May 06, 20098,403.488,518.578,403.008,512.288,512.28454,480,000
May 05, 20098,425.558,458.128,362.788,410.658,410.65311,490,000
May 04, 20098,213.608,434.868,213.608,426.748,426.74354,490,000
May 01, 20098,167.418,219.818,099.318,212.418,212.41237,360,000
Apr 30, 20098,188.518,307.518,136.908,168.128,168.12341,400,000
Apr 29, 20098,018.318,257.578,017.918,185.738,185.73300,340,000
Apr 28, 20098,023.568,091.667,938.988,016.958,016.95274,710,000
Apr 27, 20098,073.828,122.567,987.168,025.008,025.00282,990,000
Apr 24, 20097,957.458,127.507,957.458,076.298,076.29402,720,000
Apr 23, 20097,886.817,979.447,804.217,957.067,957.06327,240,000
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And you base that on what? Quickly just checked the Dow numbers around when Obama declared the H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26th of 2009:
There was no hysteria surrounding H1N1. There was already a worry building around this. The two incidents are not at all the same. The narrative around H1N1 was not at all the same as it is here.
 
There was no hysteria surrounding H1N1. There was already a worry building around this. The two incidents are not at all the same. The narrative around H1N1 was not at all the same as it is here.

And you don't think the narrative would have changed a bit if Trump was taking the threat a bit more seriously? If publicly he is completely dismissing it that forces the people who think its a real threat to be more aggressive in getting their message out there.

There is never going to be a one to one comparison but I don't see how you think an economy tanks or national panic ensues based on a president implying he is taking a potential threat seriously and letting the people know we are preparing in case of a worst case scenario. Has there been any example of that happening?
 
He supports them. He shows them respect. On the battlefield, he’s given them the equipment and means to get the job done. He’s loosened the rules of engagement. He blew Isis out of the water. He at least acts patriotic and proud as opposed to some other folks.

It’s the same reasons cops/firemen mostly support him.

You can agree or disagree but that’s pretty much the outlook IMO.
I have always been in the Trump camp. Regardless of how the man miss speaks (quite often) he has one goal and that is to make this country get back to where it was, to get back to the greatness that it was. He has supported our veterans (in which I am one) and like you already said, this is why cops and firemen stand beside the man.
Same can be said for any president in how he goes about it's personal life.....that really is none of our business, and I don't care who any president is screwing or what have you. As long as he takes care of our country, that should be the main objective and all I want to hear.
 
Also, with all this going on.... are people really complaining about double posts? I do exactly what you suggested, I always copy .......especially if I am long-winded in one of my posts, which happens quite often. LOL.
 
So.....ordered free month of netflix......last movie watched on Directv (cutting the very expensive cord) was "Virus", and now with Netflix.....I am watching "Outbreak". Wonder.........if its a coincidence or me choosing to "be in the moment"?
Anyone seen Outbreak? From way back in 1995, Dustin Hoffman, Rene Russo and Morgan Freeman. 3 of my faves.
 
Anyone else finding it difficult to set boundaries between work and personal time in the WFH setting? Clients and colleagues recognize we all now have 24/7 remote capabilities and my inbox reflects that. Feel compelled to remain available nights, weekends, and even on a holiday like today. Ordinarily I would put work aside once I get home from the office unless it's an emergency.
 
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Anyone else finding it difficult to set boundaries between work and personal time in the WFH setting? Clients and colleagues recognize we all now have 24/7 remote capabilities and my inbox reflects that. Feel compelled to remain available nights, weekends, and even on a holiday like today. Ordinarily I would put work aside once I get home from the office unless it's an emergency.

As someone who has worked from home for years this has always been a problem. Not only expectations of working but also me just wanting to get things done as I see them come in and not having them sit in my to do pile for the next day.

My suggestion, obviously depending on your situation, would be to try and set those boundaries now. Don't respond after a certain time. Let them know if there is something that is a huge emergency to call you.
 
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Um, are you implying that they love him because of the chain of command? That definitely ain’t it.
I don't know anything about "love". I guarantee you that not all 2 million armed servicemen and servicewomen love Trump (ask Jim Mattis). But they support him because as you pointed out they are indoctrinated on the importance of the chain of command and he is the commander in chief.
 
As someone who has worked from home for years this has always been a problem. Not only expectations of working but also me just wanting to get things done as I see them come in and not having them sit in my to do pile for the next day.

My suggestion, obviously depending on your situation, would be to try and set those boundaries now. Don't respond after a certain time. Let them know if there is something that is a huge emergency to call you.

You can probably classify my superiors as workaholics, which is compounding the issue. When they're logged in I feel compelled to be as well.
 
You can probably classify my superiors as workaholics, which is compounding the issue. When they're logged in I feel compelled to be as well.

Have kids? I find it's always helpful to blame them haha.
 
Anyone else finding it difficult to set boundaries between work and personal time in the WFH setting? Clients and colleagues recognize we all now have 24/7 remote capabilities and my inbox reflects that. Feel compelled to remain available nights, weekends, and even on a holiday like today. Ordinarily I would put work aside once I get home from the office unless it's an emergency.

just close your email/whatever software you use when your hours are up for the day and absolutely do not have your emails sent to your phone.
 
I guess I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean to imply that. I see a clear, but not across the board, difference between officers and enlisted when it comes to opinions about Trump. The enlisted guys really tend to love him. The officers are more of a mixed bag. Mattis in particular was pretty open on his critique and dislike of the man.

The military is a strange entity and I'm pretty sure it's different in significant ways since I got out in the mid-80's. It's a conservative institution and very message oriented. A major part of boot camp is to reorientate people's heads. To break down and rebuild personalities. Very much team like stuff. One of the changes from when I was in is that back in the 80's they would take near anyone. Now they're quite a bit more choosy or at least when something isn't really ramping up like happened back in the early 2000's. All that said not everybody by a long shot buys all the bullshit that's coming down from the top and experiences in traumatic situations can cause people to reevaluate their beliefs and ideas. But anyway I was in during a relatively peaceful time---no really terrible memories. About two days into boot camp though I already had made up my mind 4 years was going to be it. There wouldn't be any reenlisting and I never wavered from that. I liked it in some ways but overall it wasn't for me.
 
How so? What briefings did they receive from the federal government and when did they receive them?

California knew enough to close things down when they did. Did they have secret briefings that nobody knew about?
 
I have always been in the Trump camp. Regardless of how the man miss speaks (quite often) he has one goal and that is to make this country get back to where it was, to get back to the greatness that it was. He has supported our veterans (in which I am one) and like you already said, this is why cops and firemen stand beside the man.
Same can be said for any president in how he goes about it's personal life.....that really is none of our business, and I don't care who any president is screwing or what have you. As long as he takes care of our country, that should be the main objective and all I want to hear.
This is off topic, but I am genuinely interested. You say you want the country to get back to “where it was”. Where was it, and when was it that you want to freeze time and return to? Is there a specific era that you thought was particularly great? Which one?
 
This is off topic, but I am genuinely interested. You say you want the country to get back to “where it was”. Where was it, and when was it that you want to freeze time and return to? Is there a specific era that you thought was particularly great? Which one?

Honest question: did Trump ever say what he meant by "Make America Great Again", or was it just jargon?
 
Honest question: did Trump ever say what he meant by "Make America Great Again", or was it just jargon?
No, because Trump doesn't even know where to start with that. He just says whatever his masses likes but then gives them only 5% of it.

Heck, he basically even promised M4A in his campaign, and look where we're at.
 
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