OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

[NYSPORTS]

Santa Clara county officials seem to be going out of their way and giddy about keeping things closed

I don't see how any government official can be making statements like that a month out let alone 7 months out like they are. Everything is unknown

let’s hope for the best but let’s think logically without anybody in Gov or the media speaking.

If you have no vaccine and the virus is still lingering, why would you have huge public gatherings like a football stadium of 65-80K people?

 

[GordonGecko]

let’s hope for the best but let’s think logically without anybody in Gov or the media speaking.

If you have no vaccine and the virus is still lingering, why would you have huge public gatherings like a football stadium of 65-80K people?

You could do it if people had certificates of positive antibodies, onsite 5-minute testing, things like that, and it's very possible a vaccine or treatment is in fact ready by then

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

 

[eco's bones]

So I am not on record with a personal preference here. I am no fan of the one man runs everything setup, and I do think it makes sense to delegate power to lower levels as much as possible. That said, is that realistic with globalization? I think it’s reasonable/obvious to expect Governors to know more about their individual BOTTOM UP concerns, but what about a TOP DOWN event like this?

Governor's wouldn't have had the briefings on this issue that Trump got and blew off from his Intelligence people. Nor can the Governors on their own activate FEMA. They can request help but the POTUS doesn't have to lift a finger. From one administration to the next going on for decades the Federal Govt. has assumed more and more of what use to be States powers. Trump has access to two other cabinets to deal with a pandemic--Health and Human Services and Homeland Security. Neither of these agencies have been used effectively. This is part and parcel of a Federal response to a virus coming from overseas. Keep in mind Feb. 28--Trump called the virus a hoax. Two days later the first New Yorker was diagnosed with the virus. Until March 9 Trump continued to play the virus down as no big deal and there are plenty of Governor's particularly Republican Governor's who took their cue from his remarks on this as did the FOX 24-7 media channel. All that misinformation coming out of the White House for weeks while this virus was spreading.

Look at these numbers of dead New Yorkers since the beginning of the month:

Apr 1--391
Apr 2--432
Apr 3--562
Apr 4--630
Apr 5--594
Apr 6--599
Apr 7--731
Apr 8--779
Apr 9--799

This is the official count of people who were tested and hospitalized. Not those who weren't and dropped dead. Everyday about 9--10,000 people are added to the official case load---that's with all the shutting down non-essential business and social distancing. We're going to be shut down for a while longer and you know what--it's kind of f*** the economy. I'm not up to dying for a piece of paper with George Washington's puss on it.

The above could go on for another 2 or 3 weeks (perhaps even longer) in New York before it starts coming down. That's New York--there might be other places that get hit hard later. There might be another wave or two. The Spanish flu had 3 waves in the United States. Cuomo was saying that today. There is blame to go around besides to Trump but he is supposed to be the buck stops here guy. People should also take a look at our 'best health care system in the world' which has not been even close to good enough. At least 25% of the population (and probably more) are uninsured or underinsured and no matter whether this is going to be free for coronavirus you got to know that there are loads of people who are skeptical about stepping a foot inside a hospital.

 

[Ola]

let’s hope for the best but let’s think logically without anybody in Gov or the media speaking.

If you have no vaccine and the virus is still lingering, why would you have huge public gatherings like a football stadium of 65-80K people?

Yeah, don’t quite add up for me either.

The results of 2700 tests made of randomly picked Swedes in Stockholm was announced today. “Only” 2.5% of the people tested had the virus. The error or margin is not that big, it’s a fairly good picture of where Stockholm is at. Stockholm is hit hard, maybe a little less than NYC, but relativity hard. The test didn’t show antibodies. But it seems unlikely that 20% have had it and only 2.5% has it.

The be safe with herd immunity you preferably want 50-60% to have had it. Even if it’s just 20%, it helps a lot. Some people move around a heck of a lot more than others, many of those that are exposed the most would get it if 20% of the population have had it.

But if it’s “just” 4-5% right now? That is no protection and a second wave doesn’t seem far fetched at all.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You could do it if people had certificates of positive antibodies, onsite 5-minute testing, things like that, and it's very possible a vaccine or treatment is in fact ready by then

we don’t even know if those who have gone through the gauntlet of having Covid19 disease can catch it again. A treatment like these drugs being used now is possible yet it is very unlikely we would a vaccine by then. You can’t. The vaccine could work and then months later the patient finds the selves highly sensitive to a variation of a muted strain resulting in a violent response.

 

[GordonGecko]

we don’t even know if those who have gone through the gauntlet of having Covid19...

bingo, you said it - "we don't even know". We don't know what we can nor cannot open in the next month let alone in 7 months. Any official saying something will be closed (or open) in 7 months is being irresponsible

 

[GordonGecko]

Boris Johnson moved out of ICU, things looking up for him

 

[NYSPORTS]

bingo, you said it - "we don't even know". We don't know what we can nor cannot open in the next month let alone in 7 months. Any official saying something will be closed (or open) in 7 months is being irresponsible

Doesn’t appear you read the article. Everything he said makes sense. That’s the problem today IMO. People need the media to think for them. It’s common sense what was written beyond the title. It actually exactly what medical science has said time and time again.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yeah, don’t quite add up for me either.

The results of 2700 tests made of randomly picked Swedes in Stockholm was announced today. “Only” 2.5% of the people tested had the virus. The error or margin is not that big, it’s a fairly good picture of where Stockholm is at. Stockholm is hit hard, maybe a little less than NYC, but relativity hard. The test didn’t show antibodies. But it seems unlikely that 20% have had it and only 2.5% has it.

The be safe with herd immunity you preferably want 50-60% to have had it. Even if it’s just 20%, it helps a lot. Some people move around a heck of a lot more than others, many of those that are exposed the most would get it if 20% of the population have had it.

But if it’s “just” 4-5% right now? That is no protection and a second wave doesn’t seem far fetched at all.

so many objective points. Nice

we are in such an exploratory stage right now. This strain appears to have originated around November. That’s less than 6 months ago. We still have no idea why some carriers show no symptoms, if those who recovered can infect others b/c many still test positive after the symptoms subside. How many are carriers infecting others without knowing? Any vaccine has to be certain people do not have a sensitivity to he next encounter with the virus. It could kill somebody overnight.

so much uncertainty and this insane media, who are hardly in the know, speak as if they understand medicine. None of them are qualified. They simply try to convey a message from an expert who speaks in layman not lose the audience (media).


Edit- don’t want the stats to alarm

19 day spread of infections since March 21

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Boris Johnson moved out of ICU, things looking up for him

By no means a BoJo guy, but that was really scary for a second. Really glad to see he was moved out.

 

[NYSPORTS]

By no means a BoJo guy, but that was really scary for a second. Really glad to see he was moved out.

Good news. Wonder what they gave him.

 

[Machinehead]

The hardest part of working from home [let me preface by saying that's it's no comparison to being essential, I just think it's healthy for those of us in that boat to talk about it] has been the relative lack of routine.

I have one small lecture Thursday morning that has stayed live via video. The others simply have too many students for the bandwidth and the logistics of it all so it's a record and grab type of thing.

I miss Fridays, I miss Saturdays, in a backwards way, I miss Mondays. They're all coalescing together.

I've resorted to filming short video announcements because it gives me a semblance of connectivity and an excuse to shave. I've also written about a year's worth of emails in one month of this and I've f***in had it with that

 

[NYSPORTS]

Iffy source as the findings and data aren’t available via a journal. Claims the discovery of the virus structure while the spikes are coated with glycans (sugars) to evade the immune system.

British researchers call coronavirus a wolf in sheep's clothing and reveal its structure | Daily Mail Online

 

[Harbour Dog]

Ah, the good old Joe Rogan council of elders plan. I tend to agree. The world is far too complex for one person to manage, it’s insane that we still have that one guy, regardless of what his mandate actually is.

That said, while he is certainly not solely responsible, he absolutely is responsible in some degree. He is actually on record as saying “I don’t take responsibility at all”. That’s just so crazy I almost don’t even know what to say.

Realistically, a leader’s only job is to insulate his people from distractions and problems, empower them, and ultimately enable them to succeed. Leaders in all walks of life are constantly forced to step down for things that happen in their organization, and even though they often aren’t directly involved, they take responsibility and suffer the consequences. It’s part of the job.

He directly, verbatim quote, said that he takes no responsibility at all. That’s so insanely toxic and misguided and violates every tenet of leadership. The guy takes all of the credit for success and none of the responsibility for failure. Imagine if he was your boss.

Imagine how much we'd rip into a Rangers captain who "took no responsibility"

I just had a flash of a full page picture of Mark Messier in 1994. The Rangers are down 3-2 in the series against the Devils, but have no fear; in bold capital letters next to the somber picture it quotes Messier as saying "I DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL!"

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

For the last 3 weeks I've slowly sank into less and less energy. No cough, just extreme sinus pressure and loss of energy. I've tried going for my usual runs around the neighborhood but haven't even been able to complete those. Today is the first day I can say for sure I'm feeling better than the last. I doubt it's coronavirus but it is possible since my wife is essential and there was exposure in her office.

My wife had a few days of feeling blah but nothing else. My kids are totally normal.

I figured it was just allergies or something (even tho I had allergy shots and was basically cured) but reading this... With little to no fever and the main symptom being lack of energy makes me wonder.

I also wonder if going for runs and keeping as busy as possible has made whatever I had much slower to heal.

Tldr....I felt blah...and I'm finally starting to feel normal...it's lasted for almost 3 weeks now

Immense sinus pressure and total lack of energy were the main symptoms my wife has had. The only additional thing that sticks out is that she lost her sense of smell and taste.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Immense sinus pressure and total lack of energy were the main symptoms my wife has had. The only additional thing that sticks out is that she lost her sense of smell and taste.

any overly sensitive skin (to the touch)? Colleagues friend had that along with the loss of taste and smell. Now symptom free after a 3 week battle, (11 tough days) yet still tests positive today.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

any overly sensitive skin (to the touch)? Colleagues friend had that along with the loss of taste and smell. Now symptom free after a 3 week battle, (11 tough days) yet still tests positive today.

Hm, well I was trying to avoid touching her too much but not completely. I don't think the skin was sensitive to touch at all, moreso just underlying malaise. Like if I hugged her she would be in pain and she was just in pain laying on the couch.

 

[Synergy27]

Imagine how much we'd rip into a Rangers captain who "took no responsibility"

I just had a flash of a full page picture of Mark Messier in 1994. The Rangers are down 3-2 in the series against the Devils, but have no fear; in bold capital letters next to the somber picture it quotes Messier as saying "I DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL!"

Haha, exactly.

One thing I continue to fail to understand is why most military people are so firmly behind this man. In the military, leadership is very clearly defined, and it is stressed as a critical trait at every echelon. The president violates basically every tenet of leadership. This was very clear when Mattis was in office and shaking his head daily at his boss’ actions.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Hm, well I was trying to avoid touching her too much but not completely. I don't think the skin was sensitive to touch at all, moreso just underlying malaise. Like if I hugged her she would be in pain and she was just in pain laying on the couch.

hmm, ok ty. I imagine you weren’t getting too close. Perhaps the “skin sensitivity” described was just overall pain. Certainly the loss of taste and smell was present.

Happy your wife is feeling better. Less stress for you too.

Be well

 

[sbjnyc]

Haha, exactly.

One thing I continue to fail to understand is why most military people are so firmly behind this man. In the military, leadership is very clearly defined, and it is stressed as a critical trait at every echelon. The president violates basically every tenet of leadership. This was very clear when Mattis was in office and shaking his head daily at his boss’ actions.

President is Commander in Chief.

 

[Synergy27]

President is Commander in Chief.

Um, are you implying that they love him because of the chain of command? That definitely ain’t it.

 

[Barnaby]

Um, are you implying that they love him because of the chain of command? That definitely ain’t it.

He supports them. He shows them respect. On the battlefield, he’s given them the equipment and means to get the job done. He’s loosened the rules of engagement. He blew Isis out of the water. He at least acts patriotic and proud as opposed to some other folks.

It’s the same reasons cops/firemen mostly support him.

You can agree or disagree but that’s pretty much the outlook IMO.

 

[eco's bones]

Haha, exactly.

One thing I continue to fail to understand is why most military people are so firmly behind this man. In the military, leadership is very clearly defined, and it is stressed as a critical trait at every echelon. The president violates basically every tenet of leadership. This was very clear when Mattis was in office and shaking his head daily at his boss’ actions.

I think you're wrong on your assertion that top military brass love Trump. They certainly didn't love his treatment of Mattis or McMaster. They did not like his betrayal of the Kurds. Nor do they like him interfering in their affairs like he did with Eddie Gallagher for one example.....and remember also he berated them as 'dopes and babies' over Afghanistan. The thing that terrifies military brass more than anything is having to admit defeat--this was something of a problem when Obama was elected because the fear was that he was going to pull all the way out of both Iraq and Afghanistan which the top brass would have seen as a major black eye. They only want to leave under two circumstances--clear victory or a negotiated settlement with an adversary they consider legitimate. The Taliban might serve as legitimate in Afghanistan but the various factions of resistance in Iraq didn't have anyone--Al Quaeda, ISIS or even the Shia militias. They pretty much talked Obama out of pulling the plug in Afghanistan and then eventually he kind of did and didn't in Iraq and then ISIS emerged. Trump instinctively has always wanted to get out even as he allowed himself to be pulled in deeper in Syria. The thing he did with the Kurds was just an utter betrayal though.

The other thing that factors in here is the military and military/industrial complex's percentage of the budget. Trump has been kind of good to them there. They love toys. They love projects. They love to keep their enlisted busy. I remember stripping down the hull and repainting the destroyer size ship I was on every other week. Two/three days after we'd stripped the paint off and repainted it we'd be back doing the same thing again--stripping, priming, painting. In port it was an endless cycle.

Also keep in mind there's sometimes a difference between the in the field battlefield brass and those hovering around the Pentagon. There are those who kind of are in both worlds but not all.....and those hovering around the Pentagon sometimes are just political creatures jockeying for position or bureaucratic yes people.