OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part III
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I'm guessing that this increase is coming due to the spread caused by people fleeing the north of Italy to the south when they learned of the impending lockdowns.
Unfortunately things are about to get a lot worse in the south of Italy given that we're about two weeks out from when that exodus began, though hopefully the relatively quick lockdown of the rest of the country happened quick enough that the spike won't be too large for the rest of the country to handle.
Until you live outside of New York, you don't truly realize how densely populated the City is.
And while I appreciate the work the mods are doing to keep this non political, we sure have some people willing to blur that line to get their messaging across.
And while I appreciate the work the mods are doing to keep this non political, we sure have some people willing to blur that line to get their messaging across.
JCProdigy
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Here's a NYT article that goes into the lengths the Chinese are going into to slow the virus. I think we could all agree that many of their actions wouldn't go over well in this country. Article also has health experts making some other really good points. It's a good read for those who haven't seen it:
The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only With Harsh Steps, Experts Say
I think it can't be stressed enough that we cannot only look at the mortality rate of this viral outbreak to determine the damage (and I figure you know this). Of course as more people are tested that have light symptoms or are asymptomatic, the percentage will go down. Once all the analysis has been done and good statistical modeling is created (like exists for the flu and other viruses) we'll zero in on a more accurate rate.
An unchecked spread of this virus leading to the overrun of admittance into hospital will have a three-fold effect: One, people will die from COVID-19 only because there wasn't enough equipment/personnel available to give them adequate care. Two, health care worker illnesses will put even more of a strain on the system leading to more lost lives. Three, there will be those being admitted into hospitals for other illnesses that will die when in normal circumstances they could have recovered. Yes, that 70 woman who goes into the hospital with moderate influenza ends up dying because they are saving the lives of the ten 40-60 year olds that came in with COVID-19. She doesn't go down in the books as someone who died from COVID-19 but somebody is still burying their wife/mother/sister because of it.
The other thing that won't show up in the mortality rate is those that survive but end up having long term effects from the virus. At this time we don't know the full extent but scarring on lungs from the virus attacking them has been seen. Economic and social fallout from this will be felt for decades just like below.
I can guess that plenty of us knew people who died on 9-11 from the terrorist attacks. Some of us know just as many or more people who have died or who are terminally sick with cancer/another illness derived from that day.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
For some good news... Dow has biggest single biggest gains since 1933.
Dow rebounds more than 11% in best day since 1933 as Congress nears coronavirus stimulus deal
Dow rebounds more than 11% in best day since 1933 as Congress nears coronavirus stimulus deal
Meant this as a reply to Bobbop but blew it...
In any discussion here that attempts to separate fact from fiction and help keep clear what is safe and prudent from what is not, it will prove difficult not to allow politics to intrude entirely as our directives, and most information... and misinformation/disinformation... is coming to us through elected officials. People are going to have thoughts about that. You're always a sensible guy here... I expect you must be able to see that. So far I think a respectful tone has mostly been the case.
In any discussion here that attempts to separate fact from fiction and help keep clear what is safe and prudent from what is not, it will prove difficult not to allow politics to intrude entirely as our directives, and most information... and misinformation/disinformation... is coming to us through elected officials. People are going to have thoughts about that. You're always a sensible guy here... I expect you must be able to see that. So far I think a respectful tone has mostly been the case.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
This pandemic is inherently political. Both nationally and internationally.
Not up for debate, tbh.
Not up for debate, tbh.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
You aren't wrong but the manner in which we have that "political" is also not up for debate. We don't need this turning into the politics forum.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
This, along with many things, is in the eye of the beholder. Within the context of politics and day to day discussions of politics, facts are often nothing more than an opinion with a biased news source cited as a reference. The amount of misinformation coming from an elected official usually depends on which side of the coin you're on. Most aren't self aware enough to see their own inherent biases and it is what makes these discussions, even tightly moderated, often turn highly politicized.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I strongly disagree with this statement. Facts are facts.
Yes, politics is subject to spin. But the fact (see what I did there?
) that certain people in this government speak "alternative facts" with such abandon is a real problem and part of why we are where we are. Journalists' (and consequently, the public's) instinct to "both sides" in the current environment has done enormous damage, because on one side you've got ten tons of misinformation and on the other just the "usual" few pounds.The whole situation with Dr. Fauci demonstrates this point to a T.
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Perhaps you should have said "freedom dividend," apparently that works best with the audience you're trying to reach according to Andrew Yang. (Only half joking...)
I would be considered politically moderate in most of the world, which probably makes me a left-wing radical commie liberal given the Overton Window in this country. I also am not convinced of the viability of permanent UBI for many reasons (even though many studies and even the current pilot programs suggest it's not only viable but highly successful), but if there ever was a time to stay home and receive a check for the good of the country, now is the time.
How much are hundreds of thousands of lives worth? What percentage of our income are we willing to forego through taxation to give us a few months of relief for individuals and small businesses so as not to put these lives at risk, and potentially cause even more economic devastation through the medical crisis that would arise?
Sadly, the mindset you're describing reminds me of this particular trolley problem (even more appropriate than the one I posted earlier):
Am I wrong to be pessimistic that the relief bill that is supposedly on the 2-yard-line of being signed today won't make it through this week?
I'm fortunate enough to keep my paycheck, but my mother is out of work indefinitely. My sister got laid off last week. I don't know how they're going to keep their head above water if this goes on through the summer.
I'm fortunate enough to keep my paycheck, but my mother is out of work indefinitely. My sister got laid off last week. I don't know how they're going to keep their head above water if this goes on through the summer.
Prime Minister Modi of India announced a nationwide, 1.5 billion people, mandated total lockdown for 3 weeks:
Coronavirus: India to enter 'total lockdown' after spike in cases
Coronavirus: India to enter 'total lockdown' after spike in cases
Good. More countries need to do this, particularly those with such close living conditions as can be found in many areas in India.
The Crypto Guy
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Will unfortunately be back down to where it was yesterday in no time. We wont see any real upward momentum till the virus starts to subside and people are back to work and spending money again.
MyLoveIsBlue
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f***in advanced statsNYC climbing the leaderboard
I appreciate your message and I get it. Facts are stubborn things. I was specifically referring to 1-2 posters who have a real propensity to pontificate on one set of facts. Hats off to the mods for managing this process.
I read this thread but mostly refrain from posting because I don't want to be dragged into what seems to be an inevitable conflict. I prefer hockey arguments.
Apropos of nothing -- my wife is a retired nurse who still holds a inactive New York state nursing license. (she hasn't lived or worked in NY for 40 years) She got an email yesterday from Governor Cuomo inviting her to come back to work. I give Cuomo credit, he is taking great initiative.
Inferno
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It'll spread. There's so many homeless there, there's no way to quarantine homeless with any degree of certainty
Machinehead
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One of my students and his family got it.
I haven't seen him since March 3rd so I'm in the clear, but it still feels completely different when it's someone in your life
I haven't seen him since March 3rd so I'm in the clear, but it still feels completely different when it's someone in your life
One of my students and his family got it.
I haven't seen him since March 3rd so I'm in the clear, but it still feels completely different when it's someone in your life
That sucks man, I hope they fight it well.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
One of my students and his family got it.
I haven't seen him since March 3rd so I'm in the clear, but it still feels completely different when it's someone in your life
My sister in-law was tested yesterday. If she has it, my wife's entire family is at risk. My wife is absolutely petrified and I kind of am too...
It makes it real when it breaches your own world. I wish nothing but the best for your student and his family.
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