Since Saturday I left the house to walk on desolate streets once and have stayed inside. My parents wear a mask and gloves now and my cousin told me the office is empty more or less. Thank you for your kind words.
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Since Saturday I left the house to walk on desolate streets once and have stayed inside. My parents wear a mask and gloves now and my cousin told me the office is empty more or less. Thank you for your kind words.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
For sure. What we are facing is something fairly unprecedented in the era of modern medicine. I think we are all a bit scared, a bit concerned, a bit worried, some just do a better job at hiding it than others. But I think there is plenty of reason for optimism too and that is what we should focus on. At least, that is what I am focusing on so that I don't become my own worst enemy while essentially being confined to my house.
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Oh they know how to react. They're reacting to watching an administration who sees this is a money problem fumbling over a public health crisis.
Every major corporation worth a shit has medical experts telling them very specific details about this and the impact of this. They were never relying on federal briefings at that point. The talking point that the medias somehow tricked the markets this time is something I'll never understand.
You can't sell products if a substantial part of your customer base a combo of dead, gravely ill, or broke from health expenses.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Did I mention my douchebag friend getting me riled up over this? Now my chest hurts. All I need is this right now, ugh. He's been blocked by me. I don't need negativity right now.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
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Here in Chicago there is a lot of room for pessimism. Governor forced restaurants and bars to close like in NY. Still, to go services and pick-up are available. My friend works at a coffee shop downtown and they're as busy as ever, just nobody can sit down/hang out after they've gotten they're drinks. The University where I work is trying to have it both ways, unwilling to do anything major until the semester ends on Friday, and stalling as well since a majority of its employees (myself included) are union and if things shut down and they don't want to pay us (they don't) they also don't want a dragged out fight with the Teamsters. Schools close today. Polls were open all day today for voting.
Just zero willingness to attack this on a unified front. What this virus has done is unveil the real cost of the decades long erosion of social safety nets and expose both the transformation of governance from public service and guardian to free-market facilitator and the class agons and cruelty that this has necessarily accomplished.
It was never a good time to be young, but for all of us who have begun to calm ourselves and look past this crises -- if we've begun to piece together a way to the other side where we can mitigate the damage and return mostly to normal -- we all should also be grappling with the implications of this crises as it relates that very normalcy.
Just zero willingness to attack this on a unified front. What this virus has done is unveil the real cost of the decades long erosion of social safety nets and expose both the transformation of governance from public service and guardian to free-market facilitator and the class agons and cruelty that this has necessarily accomplished.
It was never a good time to be young, but for all of us who have begun to calm ourselves and look past this crises -- if we've begun to piece together a way to the other side where we can mitigate the damage and return mostly to normal -- we all should also be grappling with the implications of this crises as it relates that very normalcy.
No going to worry about the Coronavirus until @Machinehead posts a Corsi graph I can’t understand.
Call me a cynic, but Im convinced at this point that over 50% of the American public are either completely bonkers or apathetically stupid. Sometimes both.
4 decades of "rugged individualism" and a perverted pride in being a contrarian towards our institutions is coming to a head. And that genie is never going back in the bottle.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
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I'm not sure the relevance of this graphic from a US perspective when at the very bottom it says that it isn't an accurate description.
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I'm not sure the relevance of this graphic from a US perspective when at the very bottom it says that it isn't an accurate description.
Outrage? Clicks? Vox tends to lean more left than right as a media outlet, and therefore whoever's putting together this chart is likely not a fan of the government's response thus far. Also, the chart's at least 6 days out of date
EDIT: To be clear, i'm not saying all the media is bad. I'm saying recognize your source, and consider possible biases in both the information they're citing and how they're reporting it
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I'm genuinely interested to see what the numbers really are. I suspect were definitely on the lower end but I find it hard to believe that they have accurate information for the rest of those countries and US wasn't available.
So on a side note, what is everyone doing while they are stuck at home. Anything fun?
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Day 4 of the forced social distancing/self-isolation. This "working from home" thing isn't as much fun when it is mandatory. Meanwhile my team has to go into work as their work can't be done remotely.
Locking myself in a room trying to take video conferences while my 4 year old, home from school, tries to barge in every 15 mins. Thanks for asking
That is specifically one of the issues. The CDC had been withholding, changing, and altering available data. For example, at one point, the CDC removed data from their own website under the auspices that "didn't want discrepancies with state testing numbers".
As for State testing numbers, they were incomplete or non-comparable, at times only showing samples, not people (multiple samples are taken for each personal test), etc. And States were sporadic in even updating the figures as they came in.
Especially when testing capabilities were not matching the capabilities touted by WH, the testing numbers and overall transparency disappeared. To combat something as large as this, you need the data and many factors were at play restricting said data. US has been a leader in health epidemic tracking and we were decidedly not in this instance and it's absolutely tragic.
For a deeper dive, take a look at the meticulous COVID Tracking Project:
The COVID Tracking Project
Irishguy42
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I'm not sure the relevance of this graphic from a US perspective when at the very bottom it says that it isn't an accurate description.
It's just a visual. The point is that there isn't an accurate description available. What is clear is that the US is not testing at anywhere approaching the rate of countries who have managed to 'slow the curve.' Or even most European countries outside the UK. We have to be careful not to discuss 'cases' without being very clear that we're talking about confirmed cases, and that between cases and confirmed cases could be a difference of 100s or it could be 10s of 1000s.
You have to wonder if the lack of testing is sheer incompetence or part of a willful attempt to keep the #'s low. Our President admitted as much with those disgraceful comments about the cruise ship. Either way, it's a stain.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Oh I absolutely think we have well into the mid five figures worth of cases already.
For reference, the numbers I am pulling from came directly from Johns Hopkins.
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Machinehead
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The concerning graph has already been posted.
We can argue over the exact accuracy of it, but it's not enough. We're only testing the sick and known exposed. That's most likely the only people we're going to be testing throughout this. There isn't enough for everyone. If you're only testing people when they're already sick or exposed, then they've likely already spread it.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of...l-790bqI7XIzYf6sKseLgsnbDXvZE4P1zihJ0YLjIzQ_c
This article is using data from a scientific journal based on China, which is our most complete set of data. In lieu of adequate testing, we sort of just have to assume everyone is sick. That's why we're seeing such strict social distancing measures.
So far, I think we're in good shape there. New York City is deserted. As eerie as that is, it's the absolute best thing we can do.
The scary part is that this is just the beginning. Normalcy will return -best case scenario- late July, early August. That's from the president himself. That means society is just going to stop for 4 or 5 months. The potential economic and social implications of that are dire.
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