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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XIII

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Will you get the vaccine?

  • Yes - whichever is available

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • Yes, - mRNA version

    Votes: 8 9.0%

  • Yes - Vector / Protein

    Votes: 5 5.6%

  • No.

    Votes: 25 28.1%

  • Already got it.

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • Total voters
    89
  • Poll closed .
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Intellivisionhockey said:
Yeah, it's pretty easy to allocate funds to "good" healthcare programs when you fail to adequately defend yourself and rely on another country to do it for you.
It's also easy to rely on that same country for almost 100% of medical advances in medicines, techniques and equipment that you implement in your own system.
Besides all that, denying people the right to choose private healthcare - denying people their own fate on their possible life and death should they desire - is immoral (as are most things associated with socialism).
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It’s pretty obvious our healthcare system has completely failed us. Quite sad really, since they knew it has been inadequate for decades.

I have no issue with a two tiered system, if you can afford private health care than it should be an option.
 
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GoonieFace said:
It’s pretty obvious our healthcare system has completely failed us. Quite sad really, since they knew it has been inadequate for decades.

I have no issue with a two tiered system, if you can afford private health care than it should be an option.
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Don't we have one of the better survival rates and per capita recovery rates, though? Is that a failure?
 
BlackTipReefer said:
I have had no problems getting good Heath care in Canada. Have you seen what people pay in the States? $8000 for a 2 hour visit and an epi pen? 200k for an animal bite?

I don’t think the wealthy deserve to have a higher tier of care, personally.

Our system is and will never be perfect. It’s pretty darn good, though. The corruption is ripe, and needs to be handled but the top levels of government are too influenced by the mob. Ontario more than anywhere else in Canada.
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I used to pay $1,500 per month for good healthcare for a couple years living in states so yes I know it is expensive to get da best healthcare ... but I don't want my healthcare decided by socialist political people of either stripe who do not either understand it or who purposely defund it ... what has occurred over past 50 years is CRIMINAL ... health is your most important asset ... without it you have nothing ... which is where we are close to now with a broken down 3rd last in OECD (above Mexico slightly) healthcare system going even further in da dumpster ... and so we are here today with a healthcare system which can't handle any kind of load at all which is what is causing these SHUTDOWNS ... wow that is smart
 
Intellivisionhockey said:
Disagree. How do you feel about having both systems like the UK, then?
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How would I have an opinion? I've never lived in the UK or experienced its Healthcare. I have lived in the States and Canada and from personal experience the Healthcare in Canada is many notches above what I experienced in the States. It's not even close.
 
JT AM da real deal said:
I used to pay $1,500 per month for good healthcare for a couple years living in states so yes I know it is expensive to get da best healthcare ... but I don't want my healthcare decided by socialist political people of either stripe who do not either understand it or who purposely defund it ... what has occurred over past 50 years is CRIMINAL ... health is your most important asset ... without it you have nothing ... which is where we are close to now with a broken down 3rd last in OECD (above Mexico slightly) healthcare system going even further in da dumpster ... and so we are here today with a healthcare system which can't handle any kind of load at all which is what is causing these SHUTDOWNS ... wow that is smart
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Sounds like you are using the word Socialist as a derogatory term?
 
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Bluelines said:
How would I have an opinion? I've never lived in the UK or experienced its Healthcare. I have lived in the States and Canada and from personal experience the Healthcare in Canada is many notches above what I experienced in the States. It's not even close.
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So you're unable to form an opinion about having a two-tiered system? You seem to have no lack of opinion otherwise.
 
JT AM da real deal said:
I used to pay $1,500 per month for good healthcare for a couple years living in states so yes I know it is expensive to get da best healthcare ... but I don't want my healthcare decided by socialist political people of either stripe who do not either understand it or who purposely defund it ... what has occurred over past 50 years is CRIMINAL ... health is your most important asset ... without it you have nothing ... which is where we are close to now with a broken down 3rd last in OECD (above Mexico slightly) healthcare system going even further in da dumpster ... and so we are here today with a healthcare system which can't handle any kind of load at all which is what is causing these SHUTDOWNS ... wow that is smart
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If you want better health care, have you been voting for parties that want to tax the rich to help pay for it?

Or is your goal private health care, in which case instead of the rich paying slightly more, you'd rather your fellow man be left behind?

Not many countries got away with not practicing hallway medicine during this pandemic.
 
Bluelines said:
Dude you running out of steam? Oh don't be jealous, some day you will grow up and be a good person. Only this generation can turn my community dedication and selfless acts of charity into a negative. I didn't realize that there were rules behind telling people I volunteer my time to help out the less fortunate. Maybe those rules are in place so the selfish people in this world don't feel bad about themselves...they might lash out on an internet forum...
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Three men walk into a bar.
One does Crossfit, one is a vegan and one just did charity work.
How do I know this? They all won't stop talking about it.
 
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Bluelines said:
Sounds like you are using the word Socialist as a derogatory term?
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No ... it is just da reality of where we are as a country ... people in Canada in general like to think they are a total democracy when we really are not ... even US is not perfect but it is closer ... i think you can be a left leaning liberal socialist or a right leaning conservative socialist ... i really can't even see da difference between NDP/Liberals anymore
 
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Bluelines said:
How does that go? I find data that supports my bias and then call everything else garbage?
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Keep avoiding the question.
My assumption is you're 'reluctant' to answer because you don't believe in a two-tiered healthcare and that the quality of healthcare or people who might live or die should they be possessing of superior means is of no real concern to you, rather you just hold a political opinion that healthcare should be equitable above every other real-life concern.
 
BlackTipReefer said:
If you want better health care, have you been voting for parties that want to tax the rich to help pay for it?

Or is your goal private health care, in which case instead of the rich paying slightly more, you'd rather your fellow man be left behind?

Not many countries got away with not practicing hallway medicine during this pandemic.
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EITHER WAY I don't care --- lets either inject billions ASAP and scale back up on hospitals, docs and nurses etc to 1970 per capita levels OR if we don't have da balls to do it (which I suspect) then let's move an insurance model which we used to have in Canada which will get us the same proper healthcare levels over next 25+ years (it will take time to FIX what was broken badly over 50 years)
 
JT AM da real deal said:
EITHER WAY I don't care --- lets either inject billions ASAP and scale back up on hospitals, docs and nurses etc to 1970 per capita levels OR if we don't have da balls to do it (which I suspect) then let's move an insurance model which we used to have in Canada which will get us the same proper healthcare levels over next 25+ years (it will take time to FIX what was broken badly over 50 years)
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Easier said than done when a huge % of the population is shifting out of the tax paying portion of their lives and into the tax dependent portion.

In the 1970s, the baby boomers were all in the workforce and had fewer dependents to take care of. Sadly, they didn't think too far ahead and put money away for this eventuality, but rather fought for tax cuts.
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
No ... it is just da reality of where we are as a country ... people in Canada in general like to think they are a total democracy when we really are not ... even US is not perfect but it is closer ... i think you can be a left leaning liberal socialist or a right leaning conservative socialist ... i really can't even see da difference between NDP/Liberals anymore
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You clearly have no idea what the word "socialism" means lmao
 
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Intellivisionhockey said:
There is only one kind they just keep re-labelling so as to be able to pass off garbage to the next clueless generation.
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Sounds a lot like what Royalists thought of revolutionary America and France.

Progress always wins, though. Canada has a nice balance of social programs, free market and open democracy. We live in a wonderful country.
 
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