Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII

[Golden_Jet]

I just want everyone who wants the vaccine to be vaccinated so we can all move on with our lives.

Hopefully

Which one are you getting.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Da real answer is we don't have enough hospitals/hospital beds in general and docs/nurses to manage constant load of people with any kind of surge like COVID ... we have been downsizing hospitals/healthcare for over 50 years consistently ... we got rid of our world class vaccine lab ... our forefathers worked hard to give us da best healthcare system in world bar none and we have slowly screwed it up ... we continued to bring in too many immigrants while at same time downsizing healthcare .. da numbers are laughable if you review them ... people do not realize what a joke we really are here whether in Canada or worldwide

Chart 1. Hospital Beds Per 1000 (population) By Province 2013-14 Newfoundland & Labrador 4.6 New Brunswick 3.8 Saskatchewan 3.6 Nova Scotia 3.4 Manitoba 3.3 PEI 3.3 British Columbia 3 Alberta 2.8 Ontario 2.3 Average other provinces 3.5 Ontario Health Coalition calculations from: Canadian Institute for Health Information, Data Table: Hospital Beds Staffed and in Operation 2013-14. Population statistics from Canadian Institute for Health Information, National Health Expenditures Database 2015. Not only has Ontario cut more hospital beds than any other province in Canada, we also now rank at the bottom of international data on hospital beds per population. Compared to 33 countries of the OECD, Ontario is third last in hospital beds per capita, followed only by Mexico and Turkey. Chart 2. OECD Hospital Beds Per 1000 Population 2013 Japan 13.3 Korea 11.0 Germany 8.3 Austria 7.7 Hungary 7.0 Poland 6.6 Czech Republic 6.5 France 6.3 Belgium 6.3 Slovak Republic 5.8 Luxembourg 5.1 Estonia 5.0 Finland 4.9 Greece 4.8 Switzerland 4.7 Slovenia 4.6 Norway 3.9 Australia 3.8 Italy 3.4 Portugal 3.4 Iceland 3.2 Israel 3.1 Denmark 3.1 Spain 3.0 United States 2.9 Ireland 2.8 New Zealand 2.8 United Kingdom 2.8 Canada 2.7 Turkey 2.7 Sweden 2.6 Ontario 2.3 Chile 2.2 Mexico 1.6 OECD Average 4.8 Source: OECD, Health Statistics 2015 at http://stats.oecd.org/Index.asp

Does seem ridiculous how few ICU beds we have.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Ontarians.... which one do you relate with more?



or

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

LILLEY: End the doctatorship, elected politicians must be in charge | Toronto Sun

"“I’m going to be very frank. There’s no politician in this country that is going to disagree with their chief medical officer. They just aren’t going to do it. They might as well throw a rope around their neck and jump off a bridge. They’re done,” Ford said."


This is what leadership looks like in our country now. Regardless of your position on whether lockdowns are needed, can't we all agree that an elected official admitting he's handed over responsibility to unelected officials, who are only knowledgeable in the health aspects of the pandemic (not economics, employment, business, education, etc.), in making what are likely the most important public decisions in our lifetimes is reckless and cowardly? Tory and Trudeau are no better.

 

[Confucius]

42 cases in New Brunswick, shut it down....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mad-cow-disease-public-health-1.5953478

 

[stealth1]

LILLEY: End the doctatorship, elected politicians must be in charge | Toronto Sun

"“I’m going to be very frank. There’s no politician in this country that is going to disagree with their chief medical officer. They just aren’t going to do it. They might as well throw a rope around their neck and jump off a bridge. They’re done,” Ford said."


This is what leadership looks like in our country now. Regardless of your position on whether lockdowns are needed, can't we all agree that an elected official admitting he's handed over responsibility to unelected officials, who are only knowledgeable in the health aspects of the pandemic (not economics, employment, business, education, etc.), in making what are likely the most important public decisions in our lifetimes is reckless and cowardly? Tory and Trudeau are no better.

I disagree. IMO if they were just listening to health experts we would still be in lockdown and no businesses would be open. I personally think they have done an ok job of balancing health and the economy.

I look at what other European countries have done as well as Australia and we never came close those "draconian measures".

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I disagree. IMO if they were just listening to health experts we would still be in lockdown and no businesses would be open. I personally think they have done an ok job of balancing health and the economy.

I look at what other European countries have done as well as Australia and we never came close those "draconian measures".

I mean let's be honest, you and I haven't agreed on much, no surprise here

 

[Pink Mist]

If politicians only made the calls (this premise of medical authorities being runningini dictatorships is ridiculous because politicians repeatedly ignore their advice but whatever) we'd be in a way worse place

The entire premise of the article is ridiculous because these medical authorities don't call the shots. They make recommendations to politicians who either take or ignore their advice

 

[Big Muddy]

If politicians only made the calls (this premise of medical authorities being runningini dictatorships is ridiculous because politicians repeatedly ignore their advice but whatever) we'd be in a way worse place

The entire premise of the article is ridiculous because these medical authorities don't make the shots. They make recommendations to politicians who either take or ignore their advice

Its best (for some) to find evil in everything that's done it seems.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Thanks uncle SAM ... 1.5M doses is a good start ... now let's get serious and drop down another 30M more ... you are not approving AstraZen so lets give your largest trading partner those doses ... you can use us as da Beta test

 

[Bluelines]

LILLEY: End the doctatorship, elected politicians must be in charge | Toronto Sun

"“I’m going to be very frank. There’s no politician in this country that is going to disagree with their chief medical officer. They just aren’t going to do it. They might as well throw a rope around their neck and jump off a bridge. They’re done,” Ford said."


This is what leadership looks like in our country now. Regardless of your position on whether lockdowns are needed, can't we all agree that an elected official admitting he's handed over responsibility to unelected officials, who are only knowledgeable in the health aspects of the pandemic (not economics, employment, business, education, etc.), in making what are likely the most important public decisions in our lifetimes is reckless and cowardly? Tory and Trudeau are no better.

So your saying a person who has less training should support his own beliefs over a person who has decades of training and experience.

Sure... that experiment went well down south eh?

 

[Bluelines]

If politicians only made the calls (this premise of medical authorities being runningini dictatorships is ridiculous because politicians repeatedly ignore their advice but whatever) we'd be in a way worse place

The entire premise of the article is ridiculous because these medical authorities don't call the shots. They make recommendations to politicians who either take or ignore their advice

Which is what most people would have gleaned , unfortunately some people have a desire to push their own misconceptions.... can't have a witch hunt without a witch.

 

[Bluelines]

42 cases in New Brunswick, shut it down....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mad-cow-disease-public-health-1.5953478

121 million cases vs 42 cases... anyone can see the similarities... FFS.

 

[Bluelines]

Which one are you getting.

I've been self medicating... working really well so far...

 

[JT AM da real deal]

42 cases in New Brunswick, shut it down....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mad-cow-disease-public-health-1.5953478

Somehow these guys will make a COVID relationship here and bingo bango NB goes into lockdown .... and wow if it ever passed into Quebec and Ontario OMG total destruction and death everywhere ... our public health in Ontario unfortunately is 3rd world today because of many govts lack of spending and monster immigration over past 50 years .. disgusting

 

[JT AM da real deal]

So Quebec now deciding on hot spots to vaccinate in certain schools where there are outbreaks .... there goes da age based program ... now we are catering to da schools again ... why does everyone fight so hard to keep these schools open????????????/ I don't get it ...

A vaccination campaign is being launched for the parents of school- and daycare-aged children in Côte Saint-Luc and the Snowdon area of Montreal.
Dr. Mylène Drouin, Montreal's public health director, said the two areas account for 26 per cent of cases of the more the more contagious B.1.1.7 mutation originally identified in the United Kingdom.
Drouin said the variant has been spreading quickly in the community in the past several weeks and this campaign, which begins next Monday, is an attempt to stop it from making its way into other parts of the city.
"We have learned with the first wave and second wave that sometimes we have hot spots, and it goes later into the east and north of Montreal," Drouin told reporters.
Authorities say 10,000 to 15,000 doses of vaccine will be made available in the campaign, which will allow some people under age 65 to get a vaccine earlier than in other parts of the city.
Parents with a child in a school or daycare in areas starting with the following postal codes will be eligible: H4W, H3W and H3S.

 

[kb]

Whoops! Huh. Hard to believe that not a single one of the 1083 US counties they looked at showed lower rates of infection with masking, in fact, they all showed the exact opposite - increased rates of infection.

More fabrications of "science" being exposed, but -as usual - swept under the rug.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Whoops! Huh. Hard to believe that not a single one of the 1083 US counties they looked at showed lower rates of infection with masking, in fact, they all showed the exact opposite - increased rates of infection.

More fabrications of "science" being exposed, but -as usual - swept under the rug.

No Peer reviews

 

[Pink Mist]

Whoops! Huh. Hard to believe that not a single one of the 1083 US counties they looked at showed lower rates of infection with masking, in fact, they all showed the exact opposite - increased rates of infection.

Please rub your two brain cells together for me and provide me some proof for the bolded that masks increase the rate of infection

 

[Man Bear Pig]

No Peer reviews

Peer reviews? I doubt most people who are all "look at my facebook facts" could even pass a basic English college essay. That actually requires sources.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Please rub your two brain cells together for me and provide me some proof for the bolded that masks increase the rate of infection

Which bullshit answer would you like? People will link blogspots now as "evidence".

 

[Muston Atthews]

So your saying a person who has less training should support his own beliefs over a person who has decades of training and experience.

Sure... that experiment went well down south eh?

but they’ve been listening to Fauci the entire time?

 

[Bluelines]

but they’ve been listening to Fauci the entire time?

You think President DJ Cheetos listened to anyone but his own ego? Riiiiiight.....

 

[Bluelines]

Thanks uncle SAM ... 1.5M doses is a good start ... now let's get serious and drop down another 30M more ... you are not approving AstraZen so lets give your largest trading partner those doses ... you can use us as da Beta test

Do we know why they are not approving AZ? It's not good enough for Americans but hey it's fine for Mexicans and Canadians? hmmmm

 

[Bluelines]

Whoops! Huh. Hard to believe that not a single one of the 1083 US counties they looked at showed lower rates of infection with masking, in fact, they all showed the exact opposite - increased rates of infection.

More fabrications of "science" being exposed, but -as usual - swept under the rug.

Do you think a virus that is spread by human to human contact is more likely to spread with a barrier on the nose and mouth or less likely to spread? It takes very little science to come to a quick conclusion.