Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XI

[ULF_55]

The government has demonstrably screwed up on this. We went all-in on the CanSino vaccine. No idea why this government would do that but that's what they decided. The plan was to manufacture these vaccines here. Only in the last few days did they invest in manufacturing facilities in Vancouver and Montreal to produce our own vaccines. What the hell was their plan for the CanSino vaccine? They spent $400B and counting and sat on $25M for a year investing in homegrown vaccine production. This also brings up why we couldn't have just used the existing Glaxo Smith Klein and Connaught facilities. Sounds like someone is getting rich over the new deals.

Not only that, the gov knew in May!!! the CanSino deal had fallen through and waited until late July to secure vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna, etc., etc., putting us at the back of the line, then put on a big show acting like they bought more vaccines than anyone in the world (per capita). They didn't buy anything, they guaranteed money, nothing more.

Do not tell me we didn't screw this up, it's been damage control for months now.

Actually, it was in October, but it is something we should have done years ago.

Trudeau announces $214M for potential made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccines

This isn't a new issue it dates back decades.

We do vaccines here already, but nothing like what is required.

 

[Confucius]

Bizzaro world continues, Rover can get a haircut but I can't.
Ford government allows pet groomers to reopen amid provincial COVID-19 emergency

 

[gnr25]

There is so much BS flying around Lecce that no one knows ... first he says they ran some secretive asymptomatic testing on kids and found a 20% infection rate in GTA and had to shut schools down ... now he comes out with new stats saying it is safe to reopen with new protocols in place which must be costing us a fortune ... it is very clear to anyone who looks at it that we are almost rid of virus in late summer ... then kids went back to school and in 3 months we are in very bad shape again ... then schools close down and things start to get better at hospitals very very recently ... and now we are going back Feb 16th ... well i guess we will see what happens but i expect a 3rd wave in late March and combined with no to very limited vaccines we will likely shut down 1 more time ... hope i am wrong but this is common sense

Yup. They have done nothing to prevent a potential third wave/spike.
If it happens, schools will close again in March or April.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

The government has demonstrably screwed up on this. We went all-in on the CanSino vaccine. No idea why this government would do that but that's what they decided. The plan was to manufacture these vaccines here. Only in the last few days did they invest in manufacturing facilities in Vancouver and Montreal to produce our own vaccines. What the hell was their plan for the CanSino vaccine? They spent $400B and counting and sat on $25M for a year investing in homegrown vaccine production. This also brings up why we couldn't have just used the existing Glaxo Smith Klein and Connaught facilities. Sounds like someone is getting rich over the new deals.

Not only that, the gov knew in May!!! the CanSino deal had fallen through and waited until late July to secure vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna, etc., etc., putting us at the back of the line, then put on a big show acting like they bought more vaccines than anyone in the world (per capita). They didn't buy anything, they guaranteed money, nothing more.

Do not tell me we didn't screw this up, it's been damage control for months now.

Just terrible ... we scrambled from get go here ... all PMs since Mulroney thru Trudeau NOT a SINGLE one of them took care of Canadians HEALTH properly ... it really makes me question everyone of them ... there is NOT a single issue more important to people then their HEALTH ... and we have robbed our healthcare system for a long long time ... sure we put $$$ into different programs but all of them no matter what they were would be 2nd fiddle ... it disgusts me we are in this spot .. truly disgusting

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Connaught is a freakin huge complex, why couldn't the government come up with a deal where Connaught could manufacture the pfizer vaccine?

Seems simple enough pay pfizer what they want since they can't supply us anyway. Then make it worth Connaughts while to manufacture and distribute it.

Because after we de funded (like in half) it in 80's to make it a shell of itself we then sold it to a French company who moved all major production of vaccines da Canadian public had developed/paid for in our taxes to their France facility ...

CONNAUGHT’S FOREIGN SALE
POLITICAL CRITICISM IS RISING OVER THE SALE OF CANADA’S FAMOUS VACCINE-MAKER TO FRANCE’S INSTITUT MERIEUX

DECEMBER 25 1989

 

[Confucius]

Because after we de funded (like in half) it in 80's to make it a shell of itself we then sold it to a French company who moved all major production of vaccines da Canadian public had developed/paid for in our taxes to their France facility ...

CONNAUGHT’S FOREIGN SALE
POLITICAL CRITICISM IS RISING OVER THE SALE OF CANADA’S FAMOUS VACCINE-MAKER TO FRANCE’S INSTITUT MERIEUX

DECEMBER 25 1989

Thanks, I didn't know what a joke we must be. It was back in the late 70's or 80's I was in that complex. The place dwarfed the Sunnybrook complex.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Because after we de funded (like in half) it in 80's to make it a shell of itself we then sold it to a French company who moved all major production of vaccines da Canadian public had developed/paid for in our taxes to their France facility ...

CONNAUGHT’S FOREIGN SALE
POLITICAL CRITICISM IS RISING OVER THE SALE OF CANADA’S FAMOUS VACCINE-MAKER TO FRANCE’S INSTITUT MERIEUX

DECEMBER 25 1989

Declared Liberal industry critic James Peterson in a heated Commons debate: “What Canadian industries is [Prime Minister Brian Mulroney] not prepared to sacrifice?” Mulroney replied that protectionism “puts a Wall of China around Canada.” Nationalistic sentiment supporting the 75year-old Connaught Laboratories runs deep, because it became one of the world’s main producers of insulin following Frederick Banting and Charles Best’s discovery of insulin in Toronto in 1921.

Folks this best sums it all up ... we sacrificed our vaccine capabilities for a few bucks up front and we stopped having to fund vaccines going forward and decided we would let da world do that for us ... very stupid decision

 

[Wafflewhipper]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-vaccine-passports-certificates-covid-1.5882674

Mandating 'vaccination passports' for access to services, travel would be a violation of civil liberties

Fine if they want to play and i got to go, I’ll let them know i f**** been there. I speak for myself, i will not play the game of control and tracking. Beware asking me for a vaccine permit. Yfkm

 

[GoonieFace]

Fine if they want to play and i got to go, I’ll let them know i f**** been there. I speak for myself, i will not play the game of control and tracking. Beware asking me for a vaccine permit. Yfkm

This would be nuts. They don’t trace people who do not have their measles vaccines etc.

 

[stealth1]

Fine if they want to play and i got to go, I’ll let them know i f**** been there. I speak for myself, i will not play the game of control and tracking. Beware asking me for a vaccine permit. Yfkm

I don't think it's going to go that far. I foresee it being required for cruises and possibly flying. As far as day to day I don't think it will be made a big deal

 

[Pink Mist]

This would be nuts. They don’t trace people who do not have their measles vaccines etc.

Yes they do? To attend school in Ontario you need to provide proof of a whole host of vaccines

 

[GoonieFace]

Yup. They have done nothing to prevent a potential third wave/spike.
If it happens, schools will close again in March or April.

schools have nothing to with it. Of course the numbers were way down in the summer. Flu numbers are almost non existent in the summer and COVID is no different. It’s up to people to be diligent, the ones that are not is why the virus spreads, whether kids are in school or not

 

[GoonieFace]

Yes they do? To attend school in Ontario you need to provide proof of a whole host of vaccines

Oh no you don’t. They can simply sign a form indicating they are not vaccinated.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This would be nuts. They don’t trace people who do not have their measles vaccines etc.

I’m not getting a vaccine initially definitely and possibly never.

 

[Pink Mist]

Oh no you don’t. They can simply sign a form indicating they are not vaccinated.

Nope. You need medical reasons or religious reasons. And even for the latter you must attend a class on vaccines

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I don't think it's going to go that far. I foresee it being required for cruises and possibly flying. As far as day to day I don't think it will be made a big deal

They want to track you and control you. They want to know everything about you and limit your free choices as a law abiding citizen because they say so. Yeah ha. I’m just a wild animal after all lol, so so don’t back me in to a corner. I’m actually fine with not going to concerts,travelling abroad etc. Big beautiful country that I haven’t seen enough of .
I will miss concerts, i will miss concerts

 

[GoonieFace]

Nope. You need medical reasons or religious reasons. And even for the latter you must attend a class on vaccines

so you have to go to a class about vaccines, they can still attend school without being immunized.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This would be nuts. They don’t trace people who do not have their measles vaccines etc.

Bro.... they are illegally tracing everyone check this out. Clearview AI ruled ‘illegal’ by Canadian privacy authorities – TechCrunch

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Connaught is a freakin huge complex, why couldn't the government come up with a deal where Connaught could manufacture the pfizer vaccine?

Seems simple enough pay pfizer what they want since they can't supply us anyway. Then make it worth Connaughts while to manufacture and distribute it.

My understanding is both Connaught and GSK offered. Really seems to be more to this than we know.

 

[stealth1]

They want to track you and control you. They want to know everything about you and limit your free choices as a law abiding citizen because they say so. Yeah ha. I’m just a wild animal after all lol, so so don’t back me in to a corner. I’m actually fine with not going to concerts,travelling abroad etc. Big beautiful country that I haven’t seen enough of .
I will miss concerts, i will miss concerts

I don't mind then requiring vaccination for certain things. I want to get back to traveling at some point. I am surprised that a few of you haven't left Canada much.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Actually, it was in October, but it is something we should have done years ago.

Trudeau announces $214M for potential made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccines

This isn't a new issue it dates back decades.

We do vaccines here already, but nothing like what is required.

Understood but the pandemic was under this government. Blame other governments for short sightedness but this goes way beyond that. They knew a year ago how urgent it was.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I don't mind then requiring vaccination for certain things. I want to get back to traveling at some point. I am surprised that a few of you haven't left Canada much.

Yeah well I’m not a sellout. I surprised how few of us have the mental capacity to get that

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I don't mind then requiring vaccination for certain things. I want to get back to traveling at some point. I am surprised that a few of you haven't left Canada much.

Yeah well I’m not a sellout. I surprised how few of us have the mental capacity to get that. I’m getting very picky about how and where i spend my money. It’s better than a vote. It took them awhile to see Hitler coming too ha. I’m not a hushed up person on stuff and I’m a decent person to everyone. So when i have something to say i say it as it needs to be said.
Life is becoming a algorithm lol

 

[GoonieFace]

I don't mind then requiring vaccination for certain things. I want to get back to traveling at some point. I am surprised that a few of you haven't left Canada much.

I am 100% for vaccinations. But this one particularly has me worried. Seems rushed to me and if won’t even guard against any of the variants/mutations. Seems like a huge cash grab from these big pharmaceutical companies.

 

[Jojalu]

Sweden plans for digital coronavirus 'vaccine passport' by summer | National Post

I don't know if we will do it here, but it is starting to happen elsewhere.